To know a man...

[Case]

This is my first post, and I hope it will start a discussion.

I was having a discussion with a friend, the discussion inspired me to work out how you would know a man thoroughly.

To fight a man is to know his bravery, his confidence in himself (Or how cocky he is), and his honour.
To argue against a man is to know his resolve, to know how much he can take and what lengths he is willing to go to in order to win.
For a man be in a position to save you from something in any context, is to know his loyalty and how far he can be trusted. This final point is for a man to be a friend.

There are many other ways in which to know a mans personality, and many more traits than these. But these other traits are shown through conversation and general time spent with a man.

These ways are proposed ways of knowing the man and the associated personality traits.

Any additions to my philosophy will be appreciated. There may be many mistakes here, but these are simply ways that you CAN use.

Until next time *dips his head and takes off his hat*

[Esophagus]

To fight a man is to know his bravery, his confidence in himself (Or how cocky he is), and his honour.
To argue against a man is to know his resolve, to know how much he can take and what lengths he is willing to go to in order to win.
For a man be in a position to save you from something in any context, is to know his loyalty and how far he can be trusted. This final point is for a man to be a friend.

These ways are probably foolproof ways of knowing the man and the associated personality traits. These ways are far from foolproof. Lying is always an option.

[Case]

Apparently the wrong word to use.

But these ways are... How to put it, they're good ways of knowing a man. The idea of this thread was not to put my ideas out as straight fact, it was to exchange ideas on the topic.

Your ideas are appreciated none the less...

[odin_dax]

This is my first post, and I hope it will start a discussion.

I was having a discussion with a friend, the discussion inspired me to work out how you would know a man thoroughly.

To fight a man is to know his bravery, his confidence in himself (Or how cocky he is), and his honour.
To argue against a man is to know his resolve, to know how much he can take and what lengths he is willing to go to in order to win.
For a man be in a position to save you from something in any context, is to know his loyalty and how far he can be trusted. This final point is for a man to be a friend.

There are many other ways in which to know a mans personality, and many more traits than these. But these other traits are shown through conversation and general time spent with a man.

These ways are proposed ways of knowing the man and the associated personality traits.

Any additions to my philosophy will be appreciated. There may be many mistakes here, but these are simply ways that you CAN use.

Until next time *dips his head and takes off his hat*

I'm going to have to agree and disagree. These philosophical points are a great general model, but they're not absolutes, since I can think of ways they can be manipluated. Confidence and honor have nothing to do with a physical fight. To know honor is to see action. To know confidence is to read body language, see how a person interacts. I like number 2. Again, no absolutes, but that one is pretty solid. As for the final point, trust is an issue. There are various ways to trust someone. If a scrawny dude knows he can't back you up in a fight, that doesn't mean you can't trust him with personal information, money, watching your pets, etc. If the scrawny dude flees, but gets help, I guess that's saving.

While I make the claim there are no absolutes about a person or a group, I do believe there's some validity to your points. Only, I wouldn't use it as a standard. Life experience and growth will refine your beliefs.

Good job.

[Case]

Thankyou for the reply.

I firmly said that these are by no way indefinate, your way of explaining is appreciated greatly. =]

They're ideas I came up with in a ten minute conversation, so I wouldn't base a religion on them. =D Heh.

[headcase]

I think people are looking fr a concrete formula to read a man trying to decieve you. I understand the context in which you make your suggestions.

A bit of a cliche, but I make a lot out of a handshake. I've typed variations of this second sentence maybe ten times now and can't capture what I mean. Maybe it's the simple fact that the man appreciates the message that a firm handshake communicates. Maybe it's because it's the one time you make physical contact with anyone but a good friend. Maybe you don't read much into a firm handshake, but I think everyone accepts the negative implications of a poor one. I take an instant dislike to any man with that soft, moist finger-shake.

Or is it just me?

Hank Hill: A man for his firm handshakes.

[odin_dax]

I think people are looking fr a concrete formula to read a man trying to decieve you. I understand the context in which you make your suggestions.

A bit of a cliche, but I make a lot out of a handshake. I've typed variations of this second sentence maybe ten times now and can't capture what I mean. Maybe it's the simple fact that the man appreciates the message that a firm handshake communicates. Maybe it's because it's the one time you make physical contact with anyone but a good friend. Maybe you don't read much into a firm handshake, but I think everyone accepts the negative implications of a poor one. I take an instant dislike to any man with that soft, moist finger-shake.

Or is it just me?

Hank Hill: A man for his firm handshakes.

Yes, handshakes can be a problem. At my last job interview, I got complimented on mine. I was really surprised, since my elder brother is always giving me shit for it. ;-)

I have no idea why people just do the jelly shake, no grip, no energy or effort. I just want to punch that person. Of course, one that hurts or shaking of the whole arm are just as bad.

[Esophagus]

I think people are looking fr a concrete formula to read a man trying to decieve you. I understand the context in which you make your suggestions.

A bit of a cliche, but I make a lot out of a handshake. I've typed variations of this second sentence maybe ten times now and can't capture what I mean. Maybe it's the simple fact that the man appreciates the message that a firm handshake communicates. Maybe it's because it's the one time you make physical contact with anyone but a good friend. Maybe you don't read much into a firm handshake, but I think everyone accepts the negative implications of a poor one. I take an instant dislike to any man with that soft, moist finger-shake.

Or is it just me?

Hank Hill: A man for his firm handshakes.
I agree. But I don't think its just in a handshake. A first meeting in general. For example: When I greet a person I always give a small wave and make minimal eye contact. This shows I'm friendly, but probably too shy.

[Eulux]

to me it's as simple as actions...judge someone on how the react to certain situations...of course this way can be misleading, depending on if the other person reacts in a certain way to intentionally influence your thoughts...

to know a man, pay attention to what they eat. that's my final thought...but take into account both my state of inebriation and my third sentence of sorts. I personally enjoy making people think falsely of me...and some are damn good at it.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Many a person has called me sly in the past and still do but when gotten to be known i am a just a very quiet, friendly an well informed individual. etc

[Heavy_'TalMeMan]

A bit of a cliche, but I make a lot out of a handshake. I've typed variations of this second sentence maybe ten times now and can't capture what I mean. Maybe it's the simple fact that the man appreciates the message that a firm handshake communicates. Maybe it's because it's the one time you make physical contact with anyone but a good friend. Maybe you don't read much into a firm handshake, but I think everyone accepts the negative implications of a poor one. I take an instant dislike to any man with that soft, moist finger-shake.

Or is it just me?

I myself tend to have low opinions of people I meet who can't give a good, firm, shake. I like the upfrontness and confidence that sometimes shows through that simple gesture. I tend to mistrust people who can't give a good shake.

[Eulux]

handshakes are so cultural...I hate them. almost got into a fight in mexico over my handshake...

[odin_dax]

handshakes are so cultural...I hate them. almost got into a fight in mexico over my handshake...

Was that because you have a weak one?

[Esophagus]

I have a weak handshake. Its not because I'm a weak person, or don't have an aggressive personality, it's because I think they're a waste of time.

[odin_dax]

I have a weak handshake. Its not because I'm a weak person, or don't have an aggressive personality, it's because I think they're a waste of time.

Don't make me slap you! j/k

I'd love to hear an argument as to why you think they're a waste of time.

[Esophagus]

Okay, so lets think of a football player for starters. He goes to a job interview straight out of high school, dressed up for the occasion. He walks in, gives a nice firm handshake, as he has a very strong arm. Throughout the interview you (the interviewer) discovers he skated through high school on marks just good enough to stay on the sports team, and got accepted to college just to play for their team. His references are his coach and his parents, and his ego is boosted to the moon, and he generally just seems like an asshole. Wheres the first impression you got from that shake?

[DoctaD]

Wheres the first impression you got from that shake?

Still imprinted, idiot. You're saying that someone shouldn't give a proper handshake if they're going to do a shit interview? First impressions are important, especially in this situation. If you walk out of the interview knowing that you failed magnificently, at least you know you gave a good first impression.

A firm handshake is very important. Put yourself in the position where you aren't going to be going into detailed conversation with someone. You don't have to be an athlete to give someone a good, firm handshake. It gives a good first impression, and even if it was false to an extent, half the time the other person will never discover this anyway.

[odin_dax]

DD is totally right. Your argument wasn't at all convincing, Eso. A good handshake in our culture, and many others, is a sign of respect as well as a greeting. A good handshake expresses confidence, among other things. It's the most basic outward leadership trait as well. Everybody I know hates a weak handshake because it suggests laziness, disrespect (more than a good handshake conveys respect), and other negatives.
I have a good handshake, but I don't get every job interview. In fact, the last job I interview for, I got a good comment on my handshake. I was surprised when I didn't get the job, but I felt really well after that interview. I still have no regrets.
A good handshake isn't a waste of time. In fact, that act takes so little time and has such a big impact on first impressions, it's well worth the time. Are you against handshakes because you're young and want to rebel against certain social norms? It's normal, a lot of kids question norms and develop an identity, but a handshake is a deeply rooted cultural practice. It won't go away. Hell, look at the Japanese, most of them shake hands.

[Esophagus]

Still imprinted, idiot. You're saying that someone shouldn't give a proper handshake if they're going to do a shit interview? First impressions are important, especially in this situation. If you walk out of the interview knowing that you failed magnificently, at least you know you gave a good first impression.

A firm handshake is very important. Put yourself in the position where you aren't going to be going into detailed conversation with someone. You don't have to be an athlete to give someone a good, firm handshake. It gives a good first impression, and even if it was false to an extent, half the time the other person will never discover this anyway.Okay, so a good handshake is probably a good thing for the person being interviewed, he can always fall back on that firm handshake. But should the person giving the interview really be saying "Well, he doesn't seem very intelligent, but WOW, that handshake was something". Its a stupid cultural tradition.

[odin_dax]

Okay, so a good handshake is probably a good thing for the person being interviewed, he can always fall back on that firm handshake. But should the person giving the interview really be saying "Well, he doesn't seem very intelligent, but WOW, that handshake was something". Its a stupid cultural tradition.

I take it you haven't had many interviews.

[headcase]

The handshake doesn't communicate anything about his qualifications, it communicates something about the man. While I don't think interviews have any real relevance to the discussion, attitude plays a major part in them nonetheless.

[Esophagus]

Even if it has nothing to do with an interview, think of the man I described in general. He seem's like a complete tool, but has a good handshake. So?

[odin_dax]

You choose to ignore what we're all saying, or you simply aren't getting it. So what if some other person has it all, does that mean you should give a weak handshake in contrary to arguments in this thread because you don't?

Whatever, you're only hurting yourself. If you aren't convinced now, you won't be. I did a quick search, try this link http://www.kevineikenberry.com/blogs/2006/04/secrets-of-great-handshake.asp

[Eulux]

odin...no...they just shake hands completely different...it's more like grabbing thumbs there. here, if someone grabs my thumb, you then switch into a finger cupping thing, then pull away to make a snapping sound...apparently that pissed him off...

my friend forgot to warn me that's how they shake hands down there....

[Esophagus]

You choose to ignore what we're all saying, or you simply aren't getting it. So what if some other person has it all, does that mean you should give a weak handshake in contrary to arguments in this thread because you don't?

Whatever, you're only hurting yourself. If you aren't convinced now, you won't be. I did a quick search, try this link http://www.kevineikenberry.com/blogs/2006/04/secrets-of-great-handshake.asp
Okay, tell me then. What are you saying? Give me a few reasons a handshake is at all a good judge of character.

[headcase]

No, that link was right. What he was saying is you don't grasp with your fingers. The contact you're aiming to make is the fleshy part between your thumb and second finger with his. Not too sure about the left hand though. Depends on who it is. Certainly not formal.

Reasons to have a good handshake:

1. Shows you simply appreciate a good handshake. Never under-estimate this.

2. Self-confidence. One of the most important character-traits in the world today.

3. Friendly.

4. Puts you on an equal social footing to everyone else. A weak handshake puts you on the periphery. Although this is kind of relates to 2 above.


They all work in reverse for weak handshakes too.

If someone makes that finger snapping sound in a formal situation you punch them in the face.

[Esophagus]

Okay, so now you know this man is a completely confident tool.

[headcase]

You're over here, but the point is all the way over there ------->

[REL0AD]

There are many other ways in which to know a mans personality, and many more traits than these. But these other traits are shown through conversation and general time spent with a man.

Me being a sociopath could lead you to belive whatever personality I wanted you too... This isn't a sure way to know a man inside out (:pat:) but maybe to know the man that the man wants you to know. :ahso:

Ask any of the old schoolers on Rorta and they'll tell you I have more personalitys than a gold fish... I disapear for a while and come back 'changed'.

My two cents.