9/11 Conspiracy

[odin_dax]

Well, since it's getting mentioned. How many of you think 9/11 was a conspiracy of some kind?

I, for one, have looked at many "documentaries" that raised interesting questions, but I would in no way base my opinion on any them without personal research or viewing the rebuttal "documentaries."

There are more questions I have than these below, but here are some points I felt worth discussion for this thread (to start out with).

Building 7.
Hijackers living well in other countries.
Visit of Osama by CIA.
Passport surviving plane crash/explosion.
US immediate destruction of Twin Towers wreckage.
Executive branch not cooperating with 9/11 commission.
Not following the 9/11 commission's recommendations (pick any).
Aftermath: Patriot Act

[Esophagus]

US didn't do it, but they took advantage of the event, then and now. That was my choice. I think they really milked it for fear, and have continued to in taking us to Iraq and Afghanistan.

[odin_dax]

That was my choice. I think they really milked it for fear, and have continued to in taking us to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yeah... However, it is an ambiguous answer - probably because it's so gray, lots of different meanings behind the choice.

[Esophagus]

For starters, I highly recommend never going into a civil discussion by calling someone an ignorant fuck. As far as your opinion goes, I kind of agree, half-heartedly. The US has screwed up numeroud times in the past in relation to Saddam, and Osama. In fact, I'm sure you all remember Rumsfeld giving Saddam a pair of gold spurs back in the day, long before being an integral part in his execution. But I don't think anything they did directly relates to 9/11. We never even found any proof that Osama was to blame. He went into hiding and sent the government threatening videos. If we were already on his ass, why wouldn't he take responsibility? Not to say I don't think he was at the very least indirectly related. He sure had a lot more to do with it than the US government did.

[Esophagus]

Since when has Saddam done anything Bush/Cheney hasn't? Murder is murder.When did Bush straight out murder anyone? Is he a terrible president, who started a terrible war? Yes. This doesn't make him the kind of murdering dictator Saddam was.
Easy to say, harder to prove.
You mean as hard to prove as saying that the president staged 9/11?

[odin_dax]

This has become the dumbest thread on Rorta. I say lock it!

Do you have ANY PROOF to support your "claims," Fire? Not beliefs, not conjecture, PROOF.

[Esophagus]

The government had the ability and means to detect and stop the attacks. They failed. Did Bush look surprised on 9/11? No.
You know how many threats the government must get in a day? In the end, I'm sure its tiring to pay any attention to. Does that make ignoring it right? No. But does that mean that they believed the terrorists and just felt like it didnt matter? No.

[odin_dax]

They were his orders.

Orders are ORDERS! If you fail to carry them out shit hits the fan. Soldiers are paid and programmed to follow orders.



Who gave him the orders? And how did you come about this information? Proof?

P.S. Conspiracy.net doesn't count as proof.

[Esophagus]

If you cared about proof you'd not believe in a god.

Point made.
Actually, that is totally irrelevant, and makes no point at all.

[odin_dax]

If you cared about proof you'd not believe in a god.

Point made.

Like Eso said, totally irrelevant, and makes no point at all. If you want to post about God and my beliefs, keep it to the appropriate thread.

NIce ad hominem.

[odin_dax]

Ok, esophagus, you're officially an idiot... IMHO. XD

Still not addressing the issue, Mr. Ad Hom.

[Th0r]

There was never a conspiracy. However the 9/11 commision got it wrong spawning conspiracy theories. The only thing the US had to do with 9/11 was the USAFs response which was criminally negligent. Also the towers were not brought down because of the steel melting. The support collums were destroyed when the planes crashed into the buildings causing massive structual damage and bringing them down. If there were explosives in the tower they would have detonated earlier or later than the towers collapse times.

[SilentOctober]

Never gave much thought to this topic, though honestly i probably should have considering the fact that the event literally changed the world, my bad.

I know better than to take things at facxe value, especially when presented by fox news ect., but I haven't been prepared to even give any credibility to the train of thought that it was a government conspiracy. Especially since the only person i'd heard of making the case was micheal moore.
Now, while I am definetly not convinced (and further from convinced that it matters, honestly, seeing as how whatever the cause the effects produced seem likelyt to be the same), a friend of mine actually sat me down and showed me the video "loose change". A very com,pelling argument, i would definetly say, but I don't know how much credibility to lend its author.

anyone seen it? thoughts?

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[Th0r]

Loose Change convinced me for 5 minutes.

It brought to my attention the irregularities in the govt's report.

They need looking at in order to stop people thinking about these theories.

[Axxess of Evil]

I'm not buying the Loose Change bullshit but the Clinton administration did attempt to warn Bush about something like this happening. Not to mention a scenario like this had been talked about for years.

[odin_dax]

I'm not buying the Loose Change bullshit but the Clinton administration did attempt to warn Bush about something like this happening. Not to mention a scenario like this had been talked about for years.

Clinton knew jack shit.

[Th0r]

Clinton knew jack shit.

I completely agree.

The Clinton administration should have got rid of Bin Laden.

They had plenty of chances.

But oh no...
Bin Laden was never a threat.

Despite having blown up American buildings and killing American and other nations citizens.

[Tarnak]

If you've seen the video "Loose Change", then I'm sure you've watched all the rebuttals?

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

Personally, I don't think Bush is the brightest bulb on the tree but I do believe he invaded Afghanistan and Iraq because he thought he was defending America after an unprovoked terrorist attack. I don't believe we invaded for oil, though oil is part of national security and I'm sure our overall interests were considered, or for profit... so I just can't believe 911 was a fabrication.

[Stone]

WTF??? Invading Iraq to protect the US? How the fuck were Iraq any threat to America? And don't say Al-Qaedia, because Saddam hated them and they hated him. Al-Qaedia had no presence in Iraq before the US invasion, not they run loads of militias. Iraq is now in a worse state than it has ever been, and what are the US doing? Sucking the oil from the ground... It IS about oil, and anybody who says it isn't is either in denial, an idiot or brainwashed by needless patriotism, or all three.

[DoubleTShiftty]

I have my suspicions about everything, as does any other Human Being. But all I will say is that no matter what happens in this world, Conspiracy Theorists will always try and make it look like a Conspiracy of come kind.

[eOs]

Go to google and type in Operation Northwoods. The government has planned false flag operation before in order to go to war with a country. The U.S. government having inside knowledge of this event is totally plausible based on that fact alone. Not to mention The 9/11 Commission report doesn't even mention WTC 7 once in its "report." Additionally, we've been overthrowing democraticly elected governments in Iran in the 1950's and reinstating dictatorships. But hey. they "hate use for our freedoms"? Give me a fuckin' break.