Apocalyptic situations

[Th0r]

I just wanted to know in an event of an apocalyptic situation what would people do. Like gas attacks, nuclear attacks, zombie outbreaks [not likely] etc

[headcase]

Providing there wasn't still some gas or nuclear residue around, I'd go and stock up and food, water and ammunition.

After that, I guess it depends on what's going on in the rest of the country/world. I imagine people would form small settlements. I'd ensure mine was the most heavily armed. Depending on how the resources look, we might have to kill off a lot of people to make them last, or to steal their resources.

This would, of course, be a horrible eventuality. However, if it came to it, I'm certain it would be a kill-or-be-killed scenario. This is why I'm not a fan of anarchic politics (aside the fact that's it's a stupid, childish outlook).

Because my first reaction would be ruthless self-preservation, my ultimate goal would be to take over the world. Although to be honest, that's my ultimate goal now. An apocalypse would just be a handy jump-start.

[Th0r]

Interesting but thanks to all the stuff that happened here Im stocking up on food, water and other neccesities [spelling]. And continue taking over the world or trying to...

[odin_dax]

Interesting but thanks to all the stuff that happened here Im stocking up on food, water and other neccesities [spelling]. And continue taking over the world or trying to...

I plan on taking over the world by economic means. I will hold the world in my hands when I cut of the world's supply of toothpicks!

Like headcase said, stocking up and self-preservation is key. You want a secure location, and may even want to expand after a few days. Allies are key, but women are most important, because they make babies and they're less likely to overthrow you, and they're great at parties. A set of passive male friends will also help. Passive usually means weak, so you need a fitness program.

[Th0r]

I was kind of thinking about a bunker lol but does anyone know anything about them?

[supperrfreek]

panic...............everyone except those with a plan would panic and people would get violent and form groups to attempt to get a leg up on others, people would behave like large tribes led by warlords, basically my idea is get a residence in a remote place, start growing food, keep plenty of weapons just in case, try and gain contact with whatever portion of the world is still "civil" and watch out, because this situation tends to bring out the absolute worst in people. although it's good to keep getting food after the situation clears it's also good to have plenty of food around for later use. one last thing, Weapons are necessary.

[Esophagus]

A buker would be good. Or any public building with a basement. Head there with all of your friends and neighbors. Yeah, food and everything is probably the best idea And if it's zombies, probably some axes, hammers, etc.

[Th0r]

A buker would be good. Or any public building with a basement. Head there with all of your friends and neighbors. Yeah, food and everything is probably the best idea And if it's zombies, probably some axes, hammers, etc.

Yea... I so want a zombie outbreak
I would be like "yay!"

[supperrfreek]

zombie outbreaks are my favorite situation, they give me an opportunity to do plenty of head smashing like what I do with watermelons.

[odin_dax]

zombie outbreaks are my favorite situation, they give me an opportunity to do plenty of head smashing like what I do with watermelons.

Someone needs to talk a therapist...

[supperrfreek]

nope I just love to crush watermelons and really hate zombies.

[headcase]

There'll be no watermelon smashing in our post-apocalyptic society.

[supperrfreek]

nope not after the apocalypse when food will be scarce but before when it's important to train.

[REL0AD]

I'd use it as an exuse to kill a few people...

[Th0r]

I think we all would!

[supperrfreek]

hell anyone who wouldn't probably isn't normal.

[odin_dax]

hell anyone who wouldn't probably isn't normal.

Just the criminals that would act counterproductively in a collective.

[Th0r]

hell anyone who wouldn't probably isn't normal.

Most definitely!

[supperrfreek]

it's agreeable, these people should be found beforehand and monitored so that they don't mess everything up,

[ntbnnt]

Yea, stocking up and self-preservation. I would do what ever the hell I had to keep going, unless of course I was coughing up my lungs.

[icharianchem]

actually to be quite honest i donth inki would notice

excluding just now(im on probation and therefore must have a house) i preferliving out in the woods by myself far away from people or squatting and dumpsterdiving


ill just do that
forever


or if any of your little societies want a shaman....

[Th0r]

ha ha
dumpsterdiving?

[supperrfreek]

dumpster diving, now there's a way to survive when you're broke and have been knocked flat on your ass.
Shaman for a small society of pygmy's now there's a great way to live the good life, make money, and control others with little or no effort on your part.

[icharianchem]

see there? i ll let you guys fuck around and kill each other off a bit and then stumble down with some hallucinagens and establish a demi-god hood

minimal risk
rewards chicks drugs no work


have fun with the zombie killing i have a divine message to interpret:vote4me:

[Th0r]

dumpster diving, now there's a way to survive when you're broke and have been knocked flat on your ass.
Shaman for a small society of pygmy's now there's a great way to live the good life, make money, and control others with little or no effort on your part.

Ill keep it in mind :D

[LogicTurtle]

Any chance to shout "This is my boomstick!" or "Hail to the king, baby" would be cool. If you want really good Apocalyptic scenarios, read Y: The Last Man and The Walking Dead. Both amazing comics. Y has like 2 issueus left before completion too.

I have my baseball bat with "Zom-B-Gone" stenciled on the head bashing bit. Gimme some zombies to smash. Mo'Focka.

[Th0r]

Gimme some zombies to smash. Mo'Focka.

YEA!
Bring the zombies here!

[REL0AD]

I was kind of thinking about a bunker lol but does anyone know anything about them?

Bunkers... they've got to be able deflect nearby blasts i.e. protecting those inside from injury & ear damage. Nuclear bunkers must be able to handle the under pressure that lasts a few seconds after a shockwave & obviously has to shield the people inside from radiation, they've also got to have decent air conditioning & ventilation & plenty food/water & somewhere to shit etc. Bunkers above ground should be camouflaged & hopefully have protected 'openings' on all four sides for snipers/gunners if you have one/them.

Bair in mind there are different types; underground, pillboxes, trench bunkers etc.

That's basically all I know about bunkers from what I learnt in a warfare book last year, can't remember fuck all else, nothing to do with alcohol of course.

I'd use it as an excuse to kill a few people...

Yeah, what I meant by that was I'd acquire sufficient weapons, gather a small 'survival' group & take out the weak/sick/needy. Construct a base (joiners, construction workers would be useful to have on side) probably on top of a mountain giving the best possible locations for a watch tower.

After sorting shit out, I'd declare war on other survivors as food & weapons would obviously be scarce.

I'm bored with normal life, an apocalypse would be right up my street.

WAR?! Let’s dance...

Bring the zombies here!

With a zombie infestation I'd raid firework suppliers & construct my self some pipe bombs (http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/AES/images/Bomb_Squad/IEDS/pipe_bomb.jpeg)& a simple homemade rocket launcer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y34o-MMQUu4)(not my vid), making 'launched fireworks' such as sky rockets (http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1038148/2/istockphoto_1038148_sky_rocket.jpg) deliver a nice little payload... after a little modification of course.

After all that I'd search farms for shotguns (http://www.sff.net/people/sanders/shotgun.jpg) & stock up on ammo. Would most likely get my self two shotties & saw (http://i.cnn.net/cnn/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Photos/DOUBLE.BARRELED.SHOTGUN.JPG) the barrel off on one of them to give myself both a close range & long range weapon. Pretty easy to carry one weapon over my back & have one at hand, with enough pipe bombs in a rucksack, use my combat vest (see attachment) to carry shottie ammo & four to five pipe bombs for easy reach. In tricky situations I'd have my self a decent hunting knife (http://knivesforyouonline.com/library/HuntingKnife2.jpg)& maybe a small axe (http://www.spservices.co.uk/images/gb45912.gif).

I'm not going to go into any other kind of firearms as it would be impossible to get my hands on assault rifles etc because of the area I currently live, besides, shotguns make more mess. :naughty:

If I were fighting humans I’d use all the above methods & have my ‘soldiers’ be dressed with the following:

Green camouflage trousers (http://www.spy-games.com/boutique%20pics/trousers/Soldier-95.jpg)
Black sweater/Black Hoodie
Assault vest (Like my one, see attachment)
Standard NATO boots (http://www.aakamilitary.com/images/fullsize/fot80-web-1nato%20boot.jpg)
Scream mask (see avatar) ~ to strike fear into the enemy during raids/battle.


My army or faction (if it were small) would be called 'The Load'.

They'd be equipped with the weapons I mentioned above. Radios would be ideal but getting a hold of them would be tricky, so walkie talkies (lol) would have to do, these could be found in shops along with the batteries. I'd have my men doped up on amphetamines, cocaine or meth when in battle & after battle a fair dose each of valium. Those guilty of treason or deserting would be dosed with any type of hallucinogenics* available prior to being killed by means of hanging (to save bullets).

Alcohol consumption would be monitored within the camp.

Women would obviously be needed in the camp for three reasons, in order of priority:

Breeding
Taking care of duties such as cleaning, preparing food etc
Keeping the soilders & inhabitants happy


*Traitors would be force fed the drug & blindfolded three to four hours before execution to induce a bad 'trip', this would act as a deterrent to others, as would the hanging.


I’m done, more ideas & techniques will come to me when this valium hit calms down.

[Th0r]

I'm not going to go into any other kind of firearms as it would be impossible to get my hands on assault rifles etc because of the area I currently live, besides, shotguns make more mess. :naughty:

If I were fighting humans I?d use all the above methods & have my ?soldiers? be dressed with the following:

Green camouflage trousers (http://www.spy-games.com/boutique%20pics/trousers/Soldier-95.jpg)
Black sweater/Black Hoodie
Assault vest (Like my one, see attachment)
Standard NATO boots (http://www.aakamilitary.com/images/fullsize/fot80-web-1nato%20boot.jpg)
Scream mask (see avatar) ~ to strike fear into the enemy during raids/battle.


My army or faction (if it were small) would be called 'The Load'.



If I had a faction it would be called "The Wolverines" [a homage to a favourite movie of mine] and would be dressed in combat boots, urban camo, combat jackets [preferably UK Marine's ] and be armed with Mossberg shotguns or semi auto rifles. Then we'd raid the SAS's armoury and bag ourselves a load of AKs and MP5s
:)

[LogicTurtle]

Damn RELOAD! Nice ideas. One of my friends still in high school has figured out a way to get a school sponsored club going where it's essentially an excuse to sit around and analyze zombie movies. Called the Zombie Defence League. Just had to photoshop them up a logo and it looks to be a fun time.

[Th0r]

Nice
I wish we had a club like that!

[headcase]

Hahahahahahaha. The Wolverines. Hahahahahahahahaha. Or the Cool Kids of Death! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Ah, this thread has gone downhill. If you're discussing what you'd wear and call yourself in a post-apocalyptic situation, you've got issues man.

[LogicTurtle]

Hahahahahahaha. The Wolverines. Hahahahahahahahaha. Or the Cool Kids of Death! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Ah, this thread has gone downhill. If you're discussing what you'd wear and call yourself in a post-apocalyptic situation, you've got issues man.

Pretty much, but it's fun anyway. Besides, does anyone on this forum NOT have issues?

Football gear is easy to come by, and would be ok armor until you could find something else. That and a good melee weapon would be about all you need for light encounters. If it was 28 days later kind of shit... Well we're all shit out of luck anyway!

[headcase]

I'm an upstanding citizen altogether. Good job, in the process of a good education, get on well with my friends and family, girlfriend with who I'm on reasonably good terms with.

Apart from all those drugs of course, but it's the system that's got issues, not me.

[REL0AD]

If you're discussing what you'd wear and call yourself in a post-apocalyptic situation, you've got issues man.

I will admit, I have issues. :naughty:

[Th0r]

I will admit, I have issues. :naughty:

I also have issues...

[LogicTurtle]

I'm relatively normal for the most part. Have a shit job at a party supply store and will do quite a bit to make an extra buck, even at others expense. That's probably an issue but oh well.

[Th0r]

and will do quite a bit to make an extra buck, even at others expense. That's probably an issue but oh well.

No
Thats just human nature...
lol

[crisisweasel]

Right wing nutcase Kurt Saxon has done some thinking on this, and some of his stuff is interesting to read. It's been awhile but I recall one of his things was to shoot drug users on sight, under the theory that they are going to be nothing but trouble, especially with the increased scarcity that such a disaster would bring.

*I* don't advocate this but I thought it was interesting that he'd thought about things that much.

I find that the likelihood of a nuclear blast from above is next to zero. Most likely, a terrorist attack, dirty bomb, or chemical/biological weapons release is most likely, at least where I live.

I know a back way out of town via a dirt road which is impassable by most vehicles. I have a pickup truck with a good suspension. I'd immediately take that way out of town back into the desert. I wouldn't bother with fortifying my home and staying there. Most disasters would make getting out of town imperative.

I'd like to put a cache of water, food, and weapons out there somewhere at some point, but every time I consider doing that, I feel like a paranoid nutjob. My mind tells me its prudent, but my gut tells me I'm just a few steps away from the kool-aid. Still, in theory, I'd get far enough away that there were a few mountain ranges between me and this town, and I'd hunker down against a mountainside with my cache.

Mainly, stashing water seems to be the most important thing. Food can be dealt with, but water is another story, especially in the desert, where I live. Guns are plentiful, available, and easy to obtain, so it wouldn't be a problem to stash, say, a hunting rifle and/or shotgun, and ammunition back there, and I'd have a pistol with me on the drive out.

Strategy is to fucking *leave* and avoid confrontation if possible. Maybe it's different elsewhere, but in the United States, there is a better than average chance someone way better armed than you is going to come along with something nasty. I like guns as a casual concern but some people are like, REALLY into them, and they are likely to possess a variety of otherwise impractically powerful weapons that they may choose to use if things got really chaotic.

Saxon recommended learning skills like cooking, first aid, breadmaking, toymaking (yep! gotta keep the little ones occupied), ham radio, and such things. I have to agree.

It would be nice if there were organizations you could join which taught and certified you in these skills for free. Militias tend to be paranoid and a bit nutty, and often with repulsive politics and way too many bibles. It would be nice if we could have sane citizen militias organized by, maybe, postal code or town, where people could train each other in survival skills, especially ones other than firearms. The reality of firefights is that they tend to happen quickly, and in such a way that you don't have time to carefully aim and show off your l33t firearm skills. In most cases you point and fire. That being said, there seem to be diminishing returns, the amount of time you spend on marksmanship. Not that it's not important, but too many survivalists obsess on it way too much.

I think being judicious with ones weapon choice is a good thing, too. I've read several credible opinions that in the case of civil war, something like an AK-47 or AR-15 is ideal, but I don't see that kind of conflict coming any time soon. Mostly I see myself on the move, maybe constantly, moving away from the disaster area. From that perspective, an easily concealed, carryable handgun makes more sense, anything from 9mm to a .357.

I've tried shooting .44 mags, and I find them to be unwieldly and a little too phallic for my tastes (some people can obviously shoot them well, but the other concern I have is the temporary deafness they are likely to cause - anyone who has ever gone to the range knows how skull-rattling a .44 mag is. Often I have to leave because it's so unpleasant, even with ear protection). I've read opinions that 9mm pistols lack stopping power, but at the same time it is amazing the carnage that they've caused in school shootings and massacres here in the US - this is a macabre point, I realize, but I am suspicious of peoples' claims about firearms. Everyone speaks about them as if they've had experience using deadly force, which is clearly not the case. I know that, instinctually, I'd grab for a Ruger P-89 if I had any choice of what to defend myself with, because I am accurate and comfortable with it and it fits my hand well. (That's a 9mm).

Probably the highest caliber you can shoot accurately is a good bet. I've heard it said that .45ACP is the best all around self-defense caliber. Maybe, I don't know.

The other issue is the climate you live in. One concern I have with semi-automatics is dust, since I live in the desert. It may well be that a 5 shot .357 mag revolver is a better choice than some kind of whizzo Glock (controversial in their own right) with a high cap magazine because of dust and grit, which tends to (or so I've read) have a deleterious effect on semi-autos. So that's something else to think about.

Moreover, in the case of looting, which is mainly what I'm concerned with, I find that my most likely scenario is the kind of battle that would involve pistols rather than rifles. But I could be wrong about that. Rifles are better for long distance shooting and open spaces, but I don't see that as being the kind of self-defense I'm likely to need. I'm thinking about home invasion, carjacking, that kind of thing.

As for zombies, I work with them daily, and they're no big deal. Just throw money or shiny consumer objects in any direction away from you and they'll walk in that direction.

[icharianchem]

ive got a ruger mark V
light and dependable
other that that i try to avoid "gun situations"

[Stikk]

This discussion kind of reminds me of the zombie survival guide (http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=745QA9XK)

But i'm wondering what an apocalyptic world would really be like... (with or without zombies)