Lucid Dreams

[sabotage]

Any Onieronauts on the board? If so, what are your preferred induction techniques and dream scenarios? My favorite lucid dreams invovle drugs, meditation, flying, along with looking at and controlling the sky. more info - h++p://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming

[odin_dax]

I don't tamper with my dreams because a lot of them come to be. I don't claim to be psychic, nor do I ask anyone to believe me. It's random, no control, and I don't know the time, so...

[DoctaD]

I had full control over a dream while I was in school, which was the only time.

I started reading about lucid dreaming in some detail a few months ago and once I did realise I was dreaming, but couldn't control it and I woke up suddenly. I got bored of it after that, but it's an interesting topic.

[Armalite]

I have a lot of randomly occuring sleep distrubances, and the only tie I ever tried to induce lucid dreaming with the wake induced method, it resulted in the same experience. Basically, I am asleep, but not yet in the REM phase or a dream of any sort. My body is dead and outside my control, probably because my motor neurons are not firing. I am blind, because my eyes are closed, and with out being in a dream, my mind cannot hallucinate vision. So basically I am trapped in a dead body. It can sometimes last as long as 10-20 minutes. It is very unpleasant, and the only I have found out of it is to struggle to move until finally some barely controlled spastic muscle movement jolts my brain awake.

Now how do I circumvent this and enter REM before becoming aware? I think the problem arises from being aware before the onset of REM.

[odin_dax]

I have a lot of randomly occuring sleep distrubances, and the only tie I ever tried to induce lucid dreaming with the wake induced method, it resulted in the same experience. Basically, I am asleep, but not yet in the REM phase or a dream of any sort. My body is dead and outside my control, probably because my motor neurons are not firing. I am blind, because my eyes are closed, and with out being in a dream, my mind cannot hallucinate vision. So basically I am trapped in a dead body. It can sometimes last as long as 10-20 minutes. It is very unpleasant, and the only I have found out of it is to struggle to move until finally some barely controlled spastic muscle movement jolts my brain awake.

Now how do I circumvent this and enter REM before becoming aware? I think the problem arises from being aware before the onset of REM.

I can only suggest seeing a specialist in lucid dreaming.

[S25]

I have a lot of randomly occuring sleep distrubances, and the only tie I ever tried to induce lucid dreaming with the wake induced method, it resulted in the same experience. Basically, I am asleep, but not yet in the REM phase or a dream of any sort. My body is dead and outside my control, probably because my motor neurons are not firing. I am blind, because my eyes are closed, and with out being in a dream, my mind cannot hallucinate vision. So basically I am trapped in a dead body. It can sometimes last as long as 10-20 minutes. It is very unpleasant, and the only I have found out of it is to struggle to move until finally some barely controlled spastic muscle movement jolts my brain awake.

This used to happen to me and it is I think one of the worst feelings around..
You are paralyzed you cannot move or do anything :(

[headcase]

Sleep-paralysis, or night-terrors. Happened to me once or twice. I completely relate with trying to "wake yourself up" by movements but not bring able to until you get that final spasm.

I generally don't emply techniques to aid lucid dreaming. They just kinda happen. Although I've also noticed that lucid dreaming is more frequent and more vivid in the days after stimulant use. Also, if I can sleep in some morning, I usually wake up at about 11am and go back to sleep. I dream very vividly and lucid dream quite frequently during these times. While dreaming, I use the "look at you hands" technique if I feel I'm waking up.

Then again sleep is strange for me. I sleep-walk a lot. I get up and out of bed pretty much every night. Luckily I usually don't get much further, and have never left my bedroom.

[Day_N_Night]

I lucid Dream very rarely now, i used to be quite into it. A few times i became aware that i was in a dream while in a dream but most often i h use Sleep Paralysis to get in. Usually though, I kind of walk out of my sleep paralysis body and get pulled back in by some strange force.

[.VX]

I lucid Dream very rarely now, i used to be quite into it. A few times i became aware that i was in a dream while in a dream but most often i h use Sleep Paralysis to get in. Usually though, I kind of walk out of my sleep paralysis body and get pulled back in by some strange force.

... Explain how you use Sleep Paralysis to Lucid Dream.

[FAZEone]

Another way of staying in a lucid dream is to spin around, usually you find yourself in a different scenario too. Being stuck in a nightmare (knowing you're in one but not being able to move to wake up) is this what sleep paralysis is? I've had this happen to me before.

[.VX]

Another way of staying in a lucid dream is to spin around, usually you find yourself in a different scenario too. Being stuck in a nightmare (knowing you're in one but not being able to move to wake up) is this what sleep paralysis is? I've had this happen to me before.

No, sleep paralysis is when your mind wakes up, but your body doesn't. You can't open your eyes, so you think that shit is going on around you, and you chest feels as if there is a lot of weight on it, constricting your breathing.

[FAZEone]

Ahh ok, so how does this occur? Thankfully something like this only happened once and for a short time.

[Day_N_Night]

... Explain how you use Sleep Paralysis to Lucid Dream.

Usually by some Miracle, my Sleep paralysis lessens enough for me to take control or im able to roll out of bed (Doesnt always work), or i get out of my body or with lots of effort i can force myself up (The dreaming body). But more often then not there is a force that tries to pull me back into bed. and it succeed. most of the time.

IE once i got out of sleep paralysis and all of a sudden i was floating and being dragged by an invisible force back into bed.

My last lucid dream that i can recall was when i was lying in bed and these people were walkingto my room with candles, there was human being in the bunch and behind him a big line of shadow beings who i could not see but rather felt and knew intutively were there.

As they came closer i panicked more, suddenly i was ejected out of my body rather suddenly as if by the will of someone else and then phased through a wall to get out of there(I didnt want to find out what they wanted with my body).

Does that anser your question?

[.VX]

Usually by some Miracle, my Sleep paralysis lessens enough for me to take control or im able to roll out of bed (Doesnt always work), or i get out of my body or with lots of effort i can force myself up (The dreaming body). But more often then not there is a force that tries to pull me back into bed. and it succeed. most of the time.

IE once i got out of sleep paralysis and all of a sudden i was floating and being dragged by an invisible force back into bed.


I'm usually forced to wait until my body wakes naturally, which can be terrifying.

About once every couple of weeks, I'll wake up to me being pulled back into my body, but sometimes, it's just a jolt as if I've just fallen into my bed.

On Lucid Dreaming, a way that I sometimes got it to work (not intentionally) was to meditate, and just make my entire body fall into a deep sleep over three phases. On one, my breathing and heartrate would drop dramatically, on two, all of my muscles would cease to function, and on three, my mind would slip into sleep. This won't work for everyone, but that was my technique. Anyway, when I did that a lot of time I'd be dreaming, and it'd just occur to me that I was in control of myself.

There's also this girl who's a friend of a friend (I've never met her) who has some neurological disease which causes her constant pain, but she also has an impecable memory of entire situations, rather than just her perception of them. It also causes her mind to be incapable of a certain stage of sleep (I think it's the Delta, but I'm not sure about that kind of thing), so all of her dreams are lucid. I know that that's not much information, but I'll ask my friend for some details when I next see him.

[crazy white guy]

I have done it maybe half a dozen times. Its not a very easy thing to do. I take melatonin and then think about the scenario I want to be in. One out of every five or so times work. The most recent one I remember is me entering the dream in a 'TRON' type environment. I then had to navigate through a grid of automated laser in a blue room. Then I found my self in a old condemned house piling glass and gold furniture in front of a open doorway in an attempt to stop a horde of oddly young zombies from gaining entry. It was half way through the piling of furniture where I realized it was a dream. I then played with it a bit.

[Day_N_Night]

On Lucid Dreaming, a way that I sometimes got it to work (not intentionally) was to meditate, and just make my entire body fall into a deep sleep over three phases. On one, my breathing and heartrate would drop dramatically, on two, all of my muscles would cease to function, and on three, my mind would slip into sleep. This won't work for everyone, but that was my technique. Anyway, when I did that a lot of time I'd be dreaming, and it'd just occur to me that I was in control of myself.

I've tried this a few times now myself and i never get it to work (Fell asleep).


There's also this girl who's a friend of a friend (I've never met her) who has some neurological disease which causes her constant pain, but she also has an impecable memory of entire situations, rather than just her perception of them. It also causes her mind to be incapable of a certain stage of sleep (I think it's the Delta, but I'm not sure about that kind of thing), so all of her dreams are lucid. I know that that's not much information, but I'll ask my friend for some details when I next see him.


Wow, thats pretty fucked up, Must be pretty awsome for her though.

[7eleven mafia]

is there any association with night terrors?

[.VX]

Day N Night: Are you African?

[Th0r]

Day N Night: Are you African?

I'm curious to how this is relevant Lucid Dreaming and the thread in general.

Also I'm noticing this thread has the potential to go Off Topic so lets try and avoid doing so any further.

[Day_N_Night]

is there any association with night terrors?


Sort of. I've heard of people using Lucid Dreaming to overcome Reaccuring Nightmares and Nighterrors.


Day N Night: Are you African?


It Depends what you mean by African. What makes you think i might be though?

[.VX]

I'm curious to how this is relevant Lucid Dreaming and the thread in general.

Also I'm noticing this thread has the potential to go Off Topic so lets try and avoid doing so any further.
When there is an absence of narcolepsy, sleep paralysis is referred to as isolated sleep paralysis (ISP).[8] "ISP appears to be far more common and recurrent among African Americans than among White Americans or Nigerian Blacks" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

It Depends what you mean by African. What makes you think i might be though?

You seems to experience sleep paralysis quite a bit.

[Day_N_Night]

When there is an absence of narcolepsy, sleep paralysis is referred to as isolated sleep paralysis (ISP).[8] "ISP appears to be far more common and recurrent among African Americans than among White Americans or Nigerian Blacks" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis


You seems to experience sleep paralysis quite a bit.

No i dont have it that often actually, although i wish i would. I usually ahve it When i have an irregular sleep pattern like going to bed at 3 am or sleeping during the day, . Just yesterday actually i was napping during the day and i woke up with my on a certain part of the couch and when i wanted to roll over i couldnt lol.

But actually im North African. So you might be onto something.

[.VX]

Yeah, I only ever had it regularly when I was getting less than three hours sleep a night. The only other person I know personally who's had it more than a couple of times had it under the same conditions as me.

[DJ Poppinfresh]

Fun fact - It's a widely accepted claim in psychology that the dreams you remember having are only representations of what you actually dreamt. Also, it is common for the mind to place a memory of dreaming something when you see/hear/are reminded of it.

For example. You could remember a dream about, say, being locked in jail with your neighbor's wife. In this dream your wife is nowhere to be seen, but you don't seem to mind that much. What this would likely represent is a subconscious sexual attraction to your neighbors wife. Seeing as your conscious mind (Ego) represses such thoughts, your subconscious mind (Id) uses sleep as a way to "act it out" and somewhat "Satisfy" these sexual urges.

Most dreams are about sex, by the way.

[.VX]

Fun fact - It's a widely accepted claim in psychology that the dreams you remember having are only representations of what you actually dreamt. Also, it is common for the mind to place a memory of dreaming something when you see/hear/are reminded of it.

How did they figure that out?

For example. You could remember a dream about, say, being locked in jail with your neighbor's wife. In this dream your wife is nowhere to be seen, but you don't seem to mind that much. What this would likely represent is a subconscious sexual attraction to your neighbors wife. Seeing as your conscious mind (Ego) represses such thoughts, your subconscious mind (Id) uses sleep as a way to "act it out" and somewhat "Satisfy" these sexual urges.
You didn't think of that yourself.

[odin_dax]

Most dreams are about sex, by the way.

Not mine. Then again, I'm not sexually repressed :scool:

[.VX]

There's also this girl who's a friend of a friend (I've never met her) who has some neurological disease which causes her constant pain, but she also has an impecable memory of entire situations, rather than just her perception of them. It also causes her mind to be incapable of a certain stage of sleep (I think it's the Delta, but I'm not sure about that kind of thing), so all of her dreams are lucid. I know that that's not much information, but I'll ask my friend for some details when I next see him.

The disease is called Fibromyalgia.

[DJ Poppinfresh]

How did they figure that out?
As I said, they are claims. Theories. Although, being a neo-Freudian as I am, I enjoy believing them.

You didn't think of that yourself.
I never claimed that.

[.VX]

As I said, they are claims. Theories. Although, being a neo-Freudian as I am, I enjoy believing them.


Why is it widely accepted then?

[DJ Poppinfresh]

Why is it widely accepted then?

Because it's the most accurate sounding, and makes the most sense of all the available theories.

[odin_dax]

Well, ask yourself why Freudian psychology isn't taught in psychology departments. Many people, including me, don't think there's any science behind his methods. He may have been a pioneer, and he may have come up with a few good theories (Electra/Oedipus), but that is all.

[.VX]

Because it's the most accurate sounding, and makes the most sense of all the available theories.

It's a possibility, but there's as much to reason to believe it to be true as there is to believe that we remember our dreams as we dreamt them. It's pointless speculating really.