DPPP

[kbk]

DPPP, or Diphoronepentaperoxide, has been discussed extensively at the Sciencemadness forums. It was supposedly a very powerful primary made with the same chemicals as AP, and supposedly had a VoD of 9000m/s. It was, however, proven not to be an actual explosive...The way it is synthed does do something to the AP but it is not the DPPP with a VoD of 9000m/s. Anyone else have any information or anything on this? It is possible I made some mistakes when typing this so I'm sorry if anything is incorrect. Here is the thread at sci-mad if you want to read it....http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=179

[THErAPIST]

From what i remember, DPPP CAN be made... ut it isnt easy to do, and you can do nothing more than make AP that's contaminated with DPPP if youre using the same chemicals. to make actual DPPP you would have to use expensive and hard to find chemicals.. phorone and the like

I don't have the synth info that i used to, cause after i got out of explosievs i threw all of my notes away. i may... MAY have the notes on the dppp stuff around because i made lotsa notes on it and ive still got one of my notebooks. when i find my notebook in my pile of shit, i'll post anything i find

[kbk]

DPPP is pretty interesting to me, it's just so controvercial and all that..I thought that it couldnt be made, but o well. On my FTP I have some pictures of some DPPP contaminated AP. www.a0tu.com/KBK/

[lacrima97]

DPPP is merely one of the many crystaline stuctures of acetone peroxide. It doesn't exist as a separate compound.

[madscientist]

Incorrect, lacrima97.

[lacrima97]

Then prove the molecular scans otherwise. Make your own scans. AP and the supposed DPPP match.

[kbk]

It actually is a different substance. It isn't exactly what the patent says it is, but it has been proven to be different.

[madscientist]

Molecular scan?

[THErAPIST]

DPPP can be made without even using the same precursors as AP. phorone being one of the main precursors for DPPP. getting phorone in a purity that's high enough to use for naything is the problem. there will also be AP contamination when DPPP is produced

[Anders Hoveland]

https://sites.google.com/site/energeticchemical/dppp


that molecular scan that "Mad Scientist" refers to had some flaws, and the fact that there was no signature for mesityl peroxide or any other organic peroxide, besides plain acetone peroxide, casts doubt over whether the experimenter properly condensed acetone into phorone, which would be required to prepare any DPPP.

[Leshrac]

Someone closes this shit already. DPPP is a myth.
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[neffy]

Silence, fool.

http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/diphoronepentaperoxide.html

That patent is pretty lucid and phorone is a fact. Thus, the rest follows as a legitimate possibility.

[Anders Hoveland]

Silence, fool.

That patent is pretty lucid and phorone is a fact. Thus, the rest follows as a legitimate possibility.

I agree that the compound has a good posibility of existing, but it should be known that that patent was very dubious.

My contribution to this ongoing controversy was a theoretic analysis, and possible various reaction pathways. My conclusion is that the reaction has a good chance of working, only not the way the patent described. The reaction mechanism is very complex. Whether or not DPPP actually exists is more an intellectual debate than useful information. DPPP would probably not be much more powerful than TATP if it existed.

[aota]

Hey, I was always mesmerized about this DPPP. I had always wanted to know more about this. But I am much more confused now. Is it what it is thought to be or just any other substance? Can someone give a clear answer? What should I believe now about this DPPP?

[-=HeX=-]

Its possible but the patent IS suspicious

If we have a german member, we can trace the author and someone can ask the man himself

[Leshrac]

DPPP has always been bullshit.

Internet tough guys and cyber pseudo-scientists can argue all they can, it has NEVER been made. It doesn't even have a credible chemical structure in all the shit you read.

At best you could categorize DPPP as "forming TATP", nothing more.

Besides, the only thing that "amazes" so many morons out there about this supposed explosive is that it is stable and can be used a det. NEWSFLASH: There are A LOT of substances like this and you would know if you were smart enough to make/search for nitric acid !
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[-=HeX=-]

Dude, chill. Both me and Anders are qualified chemists to some degree. I know for a FACT he is more qualified than I. But I can tell you - DPPP can exist, just no one can replicate it for some reason. So its a waste of time trying to make until someone debunks the myths.

However, DDNP and RDX exist for a damn good reason :P

[Anders Hoveland]

We do not know whether "DPPP" exists or not. The reaction preoduces an explosive organic peroxide, but it is not known with certainty whether this is only TATP or some other unknown organic peroxide with a different structure, or even a mix of several different organic peroxides. From experiments done by several people, it appears that the unknown substance has only near the same power as TATP, possibly slightly more.

There is strong theoretical reason to believe that the reaction produces a substance or substances other than TATP. Here is an explanation of the chemistry that could allow other organic peroxides to form in the reaction:
https://sites.google.com/site/energeticchemical/dppp

Here are some possible molecular structures for the unknown substance:
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The patent is fairly old. The inventors are doubtless deceased.
The patent shows that a modified reaction is possible to produce a substance with different characteristics than plain TATP. Beyond this, everything additional in the patent is near worthless.

I do not know why many people refuse to believe that the substance could be anything other than TATP. For example, mesityl peroxide, which is well researched, could easily form from such a reaction. I am curious as to why so much controversy. The unknown substance does not appear (either theoretically or experimentally) to be much more powerful than TATP. Whether "DPPP" or some other substance forms in the modified reaction is of little practical importance.