castro

[Eulux]

with castro stepping down...it's an interesting time. most political theorists were expecting/hoping that it would not go peacefully...yet it is going smooth as silk. castro's 76 year-old brother is most likely to take over, but some seem to question whether or not it is a good idea for another old bastard to take over. most people over here are hoping that cuba will lose most of it's communistic tendencies...but with chavez backing the country I doubt that will happen.

thoughts, ideas, random bullshit? discuss!

[Th0r]

Maybe its about time Castro handed leadership over. Its been a long time. And yeah Im sure Raul Castro will suceed his brother. Though as Eulux said Raul is in his mid Seventies, and the Raul Castro era will probably be alot shorter than the Fidel era. As for Communism not continuing and "losing its tendencies" Im really not sure...

[odin_dax]

I can't see anything changing until a new generation takes over. I think it's kind of silly, but then again, so many Cubans flee their island.

[Nemesix]

fuckin cuban missle crises :P ... in the end and in my personal view, castros bro is not a very good descision to have put in power. thank god it didnt explode into a full scale war with cuba. although the United States had 8x the number of missles than the USSR, it would have still cost many lives. America of course would win, but you would have to feel sorry for anyone living in flordia :P of course Raul shares the same views with his brother im sure, so would another cuban missle crises be possible? imo it would be. heh.. america isnt the most loved country in the world.. zomg conspiracy time, what if Raul has ties to the terrorists in iraq and cubans invade flordia after a terrorist attack in the states?

[odin_dax]

If Cuba attacked Florida, they would only be killing Cubans!

[headcase]

Duh-dun, tsch.

[Axxess of Evil]

Who cares? Despite what fox news would like to tell you Cuba isn't North Korea. Cubans statistically live longer and have superior health care to Americans. But because they've chosen a different system of government they're second only to France in the league of evil.
If the Cuban people want freedom badly enough they'll revolt and get it. Normalize relations with them and buy some cigars.

[odin_dax]

Michael Moore isn't a documentary filmmaker, he's a propagandist. Fahrenheit 9/11 was bullshit, so was Sicko.

Here's just one source: http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA557_Cuban_Health_Care.html
Fahren-hype 9/11 counters the movie pretty well -- even zooming out on an "elite" dinner party Moore used in his "film" to say Bush was lobbying for money, etc. to see Al Gore sitting next to him!

[ComfortablyNumb]

When did Michael Moore enter the discussion?

Anyways... It would be nice if Raul wasn't as "communist," I guess, as his brother, however, as was said before, I dont see that happening. It would also be nice if we Americans used this oppurtunity to stage a coup and gain some influence over Cuba (although we dont want another bay of pigs....).

[Th0r]

Fahrenheit 9/11 was bullshit, so was Sicko.


As was Bowling For Columbine...

It would also be nice if we Americans used this oppurtunity to stage a coup

It isnt gonna happen.

The USA doesnt need THAT on its plate at the moment.

Isn't Cuba supported by Venezuela?

And doesnt Venezuela supply the US and a large proportion of South America with oil?

Or am I getting confused with another country.

[odin_dax]

I brought up Moore. Only someone who has seen Sicko would say Cuba's medical system is superior...

[ComfortablyNumb]

I brought up Moore. Only someone who has seen Sicko would say Cuba's medical system is superior...

Ah, good point.

To Thor- I know it isnt gonna happen, I was just sayin it would be nice if...
And yeah, cuba is backed by venezuela, which is another weak little country we shouldn't be taking crap from...damned International relations, they always get in the way of virt?.

[headcase]

I brought up Moore. Only someone who has seen Sicko would say Cuba's medical system is superior...

You people have to stop jumping to conclusions. "Michael Moore said it, and I disagree with what Michael Moore said in the past. Therefore it must be wrong". Fallacious logic Odin.

Cuba
Healthcare in Cuba consists of a government-coordinated system that guarantees universal coverage and consumes a lower proportion of the nation's GDP (7.3%) than some highly privatised systems (e.g. USA: 15.2%) (UNDP 2006: Table 6). The system does charge fees in treating elective treatment for patients from abroad, but tourists who fall ill are treated freely in Cuban hospitals. Cuba attracts patients mostly from Latin America and Europe by offering care of comparable quality to a developed nation but at much lower prices. Cuba's own health indicators are the best in Latin America and surpass those of the US in some respects (infant mortality rates, underweight babies, HIV infection, immunisation rates, doctor per population rates).


It's cheaper, universal and surpasses the US in a number of respects.

And no, I haven't seen Sicko.

[odin_dax]

As one of the self-proclaimed masters of logic here, headcase, you're way off the mark on this one. Firstly, Moore's other films are relevant because they show a pattern; however, I did not stand on that position. Secondly, I provided a link on the issue of Cuba's medical care. Would you like to address that RELEVANT point, headcase? Thirdly, no one said, "Michael Moore said it, and I disagree with what Michael Moore said in the past. Therefore it must be wrong." Rather, imprecisely, I said Moore is a lying propagandist because of this film, that film and the other film for this reason, that reason and the other reason.

At least when one of us "other" people you refer to makes a conclusion, it's often based on what someone actually said. Really, headcase...

[headcase]

At least when one of us "other" people you refer to makes a conclusion, it's often based on what someone actually said. Really, headcase...

Odin, that's exactly what myself and others have accused you of not doing on several occasions in the past. Don't try try to turn it around. You're fooling no one.

The reason some medication are unavailable in Cuba is because of the US embargo. It's kind of revealing that you have to point out the problem you've caused to justify you're own sense of superiority. Secondly, comunism isn't a fault in itself, as the article seems to presume. Other then that, anecdotes aren't worth much. The UNDP quotes facts on Cuba's indeniable areas of superiority. The National Centre has stories.

[odin_dax]

Odin, that's exactly what myself and others have accused you of not doing on several occasions in the past. Don't try try to turn it around. You're fooling no one.

The reason some medication are unavailable in Cuba is because of the US embargo. It's kind of revealing that you have to point out the problem you've caused to justify you're own sense of superiority. Secondly, comunism isn't a fault in itself, as the article seems to presume. Other then that, anecdotes aren't worth much. The UNDP quotes facts on Cuba's indeniable areas of superiority. The National Centre has stories.

How can I be turning it around when I've been saying that about you too?

"myself and others" = self-proclaimed logic master

^ I get it, headcase. And I don't see a denial either. Don't attack the person, but the argument, Master Head.

[headcase]

How can I be turning it around when I've been saying that about you too?

"myself and others" = self-proclaimed logic master

^ I get it, headcase. And I don't see a denial either. Don't attack the person, but the argument, Master Head.

Yet you make no reference to my arguement in that post. Hypocrite? Eulux pointed out you're irrelevant and random style of arguement. So did Armalite. Possibly ComfortablyNumb, but I could be confusing him with something else because I don't remember the specific event. You sux at teh arguing. Get over it.

[odin_dax]

I guess the key to argument is run around in circles until the other is tired. Is that your secret, headcase? Listen, people are always accusing others of not making clear arguments. I've stated my case each time, repeating it more than twice in some cases just so it was clear. I'm not going to try to prove a negative with you, it's impossible. Let others read what I have said, in whatever argument -- let those third party members decide. Let that happen in all cases.

Hell, you and reload, you and nox. Your diatribe is the same. More often than not, I get supported by third parties, so I'd say your position is incorrect, but that's just my opinion.

So, let's see, yet again you accuse me of not making an argument. Well, as I recall, you stated a false statement without cause. You inferred me to say, "Michael Moore said it, and I disagree with what Michael Moore said in the past. Therefore it must be wrong". However, in my following post I clearly stated my position regarding Moore, my reasoning. Two responses from you after that post, you accuse me of not staying on topic.

Clearly, headcase, and I'll be blunt, you're either full of shit or just fucking stupid. Oh, btw, Eulux isn't exactly the best name to drop when you're looking to support your position. Armalite and I have had some good discussions. Even if we disagreed (and we did agree from time to time), at least he followed what I was saying. You seem to make everything up in your own little warped view of the world. Even still, I'd lay money he'd back me on this one.

So, where you like to go now?

[headcase]

Again, nothing in that post on the topic of Castro. If you want a whinge, have it in the flame lounge. I'll reply once this has been moved there.

[odin_dax]

Again, nothing in that post on the topic of Castro. If you want a whinge, have it in the flame lounge. I'll reply once this has been moved there.

Better not say anything more because you're just embarrassing yourself. The discussion was Castro, Cuba. Someone brought up their healthcare system, the thread moving direction from that point. Some threads do that, right?

So, Michael Moore came up, and you responded directly to a Michael Moore post, and on the subject of healthcare. Were you on topic when you wrote that? I haven't seen you write about Castro at all in this thread, so what's your problem, other than being a hypocrite and a complete moron who can't follow his own logic?

If you really wanted to stay on topic, you could reply to the first post. Please, do share your thoughts on Castro. If you have any...

[headcase]

Ugh. There was no mention of Castro or the Cuban healthcare system. Your last three posts had nothing to do with anything other than me. Get it together, man.

[REL0AD]

expecting/hoping that it would not go peacefully...yet it is going smooth as silk.

For how long though? Shit can hit the fan at any given time.

Ugh. There was no mention of Castro or the Cuban healthcare system. Your last three posts had nothing to do with anything other than me. Get it together, man.

I don't want to kick the "reload headcase" shite up but odin_dax has a point mate.

[odin_dax]

Ugh. There was no mention of Castro or the Cuban healthcare system. Your last three posts had nothing to do with anything other than me. Get it together, man.

I was responding to you. I see it's impossible to hammer any sense of truth of logic into you, seeing as how you can't even step from Point A to Point B. If you want to continue ignoring facts and running in circles, be my guest. You brought up this tangent, as you do in every thread, by making it personal. And since you ignored my invitation to share your thoughts on Castro in this thread, since you complained it was off topic now, I see your only aim here is more of the same from you, petty attacks that make no sense unless readers take into account your lack of comprehension skills. Since it's obvious you have no legs to stand on, I'm done with you on this thread. But I'm sure you'll add another off topic post just to make your "point", whatever it is... (not even sure you know anymore)

Up to the third parties now.

[Th0r]

Raul has been voted in to replace his brother.

Unanimously.

[odin_dax]

Raul has been voted in to replace his brother.

Unanimously.

I can't imagine anything will change between the US and Cuba. I think all the presidents just maintain the status quo. We don't really need their exports.

[ZionBlack]

Who cares? Despite what fox news would like to tell you Cuba isn't North Korea. Cubans statistically live longer and have superior health care to Americans. But because they've chosen a different system of government they're second only to France in the league of evil.
If the Cuban people want freedom badly enough they'll revolt and get it. Normalize relations with them and buy some cigars.

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