weapon smithing from home

[crazy white guy]

SWIM was thinking about getting a cheap pistol but hes a bit underage and doesn't have any illegal hookups. Is it possible to buy all of the pieces (or 80%'s) of a firearm and assemble it? I cant think of any reason i couldn't. I can finish some parts if they aren't completely done or manufacture some crude parts. If there any age laws regarding online purchase of the parts?

I have access to a full metal shop and a cutting CNC and an engraving CNC

[Nemesix]

unless you know exactly what your doing and are a very experienced metal worker id advice against forging your own crude parts of a gun. guns are obviously finely tuned and if one part is not the correct size, then it is extremely dangerous and not very useful. it most likely wont fire at all. if it does happen to somehow fire with your crude workmanship, u have my recognition, but u probably wont be able to shoot the ground with it because it will be inaccurate. i guess its worth a shot tho, arts and crafts are always fun. just let one of your friends be the first person to test it :)

[Th0r]

I asume to buy the parts you would have to be over 18 and/or have a firearms permit.

I wouldnt attempt this project unless you know a hell of alot about firearms. These home made pistol/shotgun projects seem to have a nasty habit of going wrong.

Even if you could actually make the gun where would you get the ammunition? Plus there is no guarantee of it working anyway.

If you want a gun I wouldn't advise "going underground" to get one. Some pistols worth less than $100 will sell on the "black market" for over $250. Although this may be a different situation in Canada or where ever you are from.

If it was me I would find out people who have guns. This part shouldnt be too hard as 95% of the people I know who have guns have a tendency to brag about them. Then find out when they are going oin holiday. This part also shouldn't be too hard because the people who tend to brag about their guns are also the ones who brag about holidays and cars etc.

Then break into the house and steal the gun. Stealing the gun has several advantages. You are pretty much guaranteed to get ammunition with it. If you go down the root of stealing it it is always best to steal something else. That way the cops are more likely to think it was a general burglary and not pay too much attention to it.

[crazy white guy]

great suggestion thor

but that doesnt really work in my area. I live in a white-bred neighborhood thats 100% pro-life/anti-gun. if there is a chance i could find someone with a gun, it would be hard to find knowing that even their wife/husband wouldnt know about it.

and im not saying that im building a gun from scratch. I want to buy all professionally made parts and assemble it at home if possible. The 80% thing that i mentioned is when a receiver or other non-shippable items could be finished.

Ammo isnt too much of a problem. canada will ship small amounts of it without raising flags

and ironically the guy i was going to get the gun from got shot lol

[Th0r]

Look about. My area is possibly one of the most anti-gun areas in the whole of Britain, but there are a few people who own guns. Ask around.

If you want to acquire parts you will have to get a parts list from somewhere. Then find a site that can provide all the parts. Do not purchase parts in bulk and try to purchase from two different suppliers if possible. You might also want the blueprints and the owners manual for the gun you want to build.

Also stick to the same gun. Do not buy alternate parts for different guns.

In the UK if you order gun parts and other firearms a courier must deliver it or it must be sent to a firearms dealership. And someone older than 18 must sign for it. You might have to have someone over 18 sign for it.

[iceman69]

Thor has some excellent advice. Guns and laws are region specific. Here in the states some buy ak-47 or even easier sten mk 2 parts kits without the reciever. The sten is a simple full auto weapon from Thor's homeland. Then the buy 80% recievers that are to batf law requirements. A few weekends with a dremel tool and they have a full auto weapon. The sten is the easies of all parts kits to assemble. Reciever tubes of 4140 crome moly are on the market. There are several yahoo groups on sten bulding. The nice thing about parts kits are they have the real gun steel proofed barrels and chambers. The sten has the trunion already attached. Just simple dremel cutting and filing. One also needs a hobby welder for magazine square thing that fits on the reciever. Also a tap & die set. This is the safest of all kits. AK-47 recievers are a cunt to make, They go good until one gets to the lips on top the bold slides on. Because it is not heat treated the life span is short. If you must make homemade guns look into designs that use low pressure rounds like 22 long rifle or 22 short.
22 pen guns can be made to fire shorts and are very safe using seamless 4140 aircraft tubing. I build muzzleloaders and some of the nations most famous custom makers use seamless 4140 tubing for barrels. remember low pressure rounds expressed in cup= copper units of pressure. Pistol rounds are low pressure .380-38spcl-32 etc. Do not fool with rifle ammo it has to headspace correct or BOOM. Pistol ammo headspaces on the rim not the neck so there pretty safe. Any good homemade device starts with a proper barrel & chamber. Alot of guns have shit zinc bodies but the barrel and chamber are of good steel

[Th0r]

You could also re-activate a deactivated firearm. But thats why the gun grabbers are in the process of banning being able to buy them and possess them. They used to take the receiver out but nowadays a specialist deactivator, or just a welder is called in to weld the barrel up.

You could probably get past the welding but if you fired the gun without removing the "plug" of metal there is a chance you could blow yourself up... But I am not sure.

Oh and Iceman just for reference Sten guns are crap. Ask my grandfathers. They are very innacurate on the whole. My grandfather was on a Commando raid and everybody was armed with Stens. The plot failed but that was down to Lead Azide being a shit primary, but they had real problems attacking the Germans...

After the second world war ended my other grandfather spent a large time in the french countryside clearing up the shit the Nazis left when they were defeated. Him and several "colleagues" spent a lot of time trying to shoot stationary rabbits with a Sten. Oh how they failed...

[crazy white guy]

so a parts kit from a sten and a barrel kit would be enough to have a decent firearm?

the barrel kit would be for the lack of accuracy =P

[Th0r]

Get parts for a gun that is reliable and accurate...

Also what gangster/drugs dealer walks around with a Sten gun...

The parts would be fairly easy to trace also...

[crazy white guy]

reliable and accurate usually means expensive

and not efficient for my plan

(outfitting a small army)

[Th0r]

Would you rather have your small army running about with cheap weapons that cant shoot for shit, OR expensive ones that actually work AND are accurate?

Food for thought.

[crazy white guy]

Would you rather have your small army running about with cheap weapons that cant shoot for shit, OR expensive ones that actually work AND are accurate?

Food for thought.

If i were to get my way it would start as a bunch of guys with DECENT weapons. then it would be a lot of guys with Good weapons. Then an army of guys with the top of the line death machines

[iceman69]

THE STEN KITS HAVE NO RECIEVER ALL OTHER PARTS ARE NEW CONDITION THEY ARE AROUND $100 OR LESS. ALL ONE NEEDS IS A TUBE FOR A RECIEVER AND THEY SELL THEM 80% DONE FOR LIKE $60 THEY ARE A REAL WEAPON OF WAR AND OF TOP NOTCH QUALLITY FULL AUTO MACHINEGUN. GET YOU 15YRS MANDATORY YOU GET CAUGHT WITH ONE THOUGH. Sten guns with class 3 paperwork legal ones for those few who have a class 3 lics are like $3000.00 each. they are not cheap shit they are bad ass mother fuckers

[iceman69]

bangsticks can be used for improvised weapons and require no lisc or background check.
see bang sticks google it. they take up to 12 gauge ammo 357 magnum etc

[davey_crockshit]

after dunkirk, england was sorely in need of weapons. most of them had been left behind in france. the sten was designed to be able to be produced in small shops on very basic tooling. it had a unit cost of about eight bucks back in the 40's. today, i dont know what the parts and labor would run. they were crude and not as reliable as their users would hope, but they were better than nothing. their replacement, the sterling, looks similar but is far more reliable. they were what the stormtroopers carried in the original star wars movies except with a tiny fake scope attached to them and an extra small magazine.

past 150 yards, just about any submachine gun except something closed bolt like an mp5 would be worthless as far as actually hitting anything is concerned. keeping the enemies heads down while someone with a rifle did the actual killing, well.........

if i were the batf, i would contact the head of every company that sold those parts kits and make him an offer he couldnt refuse...... pay him for a list of everyone who bought them. sure, there are wwii reenactors who buy them, but not many......

as was stated before, full auto gets you lots of jail time. not worth it, in my opinion

[iceman69]

after dunkirk, england was sorely in need of weapons. most of them had been left behind in france. the sten was designed to be able to be produced in small shops on very basic tooling. it had a unit cost of about eight bucks back in the 40's. today, i dont know what the parts and labor would run. they were crude and not as reliable as their users would hope, but they were better than nothing. their replacement, the sterling, looks similar but is far more reliable. they were what the stormtroopers carried in the original star wars movies except with a tiny fake scope attached to them and an extra small magazine.

past 150 yards, just about any submachine gun except something closed bolt like an mp5 would be worthless as far as actually hitting anything is concerned. keeping the enemies heads down while someone with a rifle did the actual killing, well.........

if i were the batf, i would contact the head of every company that sold those parts kits and make him an offer he couldnt refuse...... pay him for a list of everyone who bought them. sure, there are wwii reenactors who buy them, but not many......

as was stated before, full auto gets you lots of jail time. not worth it, in my opinion



too bad theres no sterling kits available. And the sterling is harder to build. We were duscussing more or less practical improvised weapons of average builder skills. The sten is reliable because it has only 7 internal parts it fires from a open bolt with fixed firing pin.
a simple chunk of steel slamming back and forth infont of a coil spring in a tube. I have shot the sten and have no complaints other than it's ugly and the thumbhole is a shitty design. of course it was a legal sten with tax stamp complying with batf laws. For what you can make so easy from a kit would be far ahead of any homemade sewer pipe pistol

[Th0r]

if i were the batf, i would contact the head of every company that sold those parts kits and make him an offer he couldnt refuse...... pay him for a list of everyone who bought them. sure, there are wwii reenactors who buy them, but not many......



In the UK they have to give that information to the police...

And if they don't their firearms dealers licence will be revoked.

[iceman69]

the batf will not come knocking for buying a kit thats deactivated no reciever. And the parts are on the batf approved list. Smart individual will pay with a prepaid card or gift card and mail to a drop. Therefore ending any link with smart person and the batf or anyother snoop. I know of many sten groups here that buy them and convert them to semi auto. They have to submitt a form to the batf. The batf mailt hem a approval letter on their particular weapon. Then they are good to go,. They will probably have a big suprise when the big gun grab comes some day. Like in canada or uk. time is ticking here

[Th0r]

the batf will not come knocking for buying a kit thats deactivated no reciever. And the parts are on the batf approved list. Smart individual will pay with a prepaid card or gift card and mail to a drop.

Well in the UK when I bought a deactivated rifle as an ornament someone had to sign for it.

Plus how many PO boxes are big enough to get a deactivated rifle into. How many houses that are deserted have big enough letter boxes?

[crazy white guy]

Im pretty sure i can make a sten

would anyone suggest that i start simple and build my skill level?

or is the only problem having the right tools?

[Th0r]

Its a question of both tools and skills.

If it were me I would be making a simple 9 Millimeter Revolver, single action. As it is in fact relatively simple and revolvers are fairly good guns on the whole.

Really, CRW [I hope you wont mind me abbreviating your name] are you a recreational gun owner?. By that I mean do you spend your spare time shooting targets and do you own any firearms.

To build a Sten gun you are best seeing one being shot first hand, and shooting one to get a better idea of the gun. Also to figure out how poor the gun is.

[crazy white guy]

i was drawing in my notebook during a useless class and thought of making a sten-90 (shitty name, sorry.) It would be a sten with a 14 inch barrel and the handle of a p90

I think that would solve the problem of accuracy
and it wouldnt be too hard to make one (I have access to a 22,000$ lathe and my dad will help)
CRW? me?

[crazy white guy]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/sten90.jpg

it will kill shit at 600 rounds per minute

and its a fucking foxy piece of death

[Th0r]

That would be a good way to solve the accuracy problem. It is probably the biggest flaw.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/sten.jpg
This is the Sten.

Oh the joys of cheap military crap.

Now some sort of handle welded on to the barrel and then shooting while standing will improve the accuracy. Minus the silencer of course. Then it might kill the thing it hits.

Also doesn't the Sten overheat?

Because if it does, you may well need to solve the problem...

CRW? me?

Yes, it is you...

Crazy White Guy