project update

[crazy white guy]

hey
just giving rorta an update on my projects

the thermite is going good
right now i am about to light a pile of extremely fine powdered thermite. My estimate to the size of the pile is about 30 cubic centimetes. I got a pepper grinder and a chalice that i used to grind the chems. It worked magnificently. I am going to light it later tonight when the neighbor's house part is over.

My bsp/bps SMG is going good
i bought a few parts for it today and im getting the rest of the parts delivered to my house tomorow. But for the early model it will be a .25 acp instead of a 9mm para for the fact that nines are a motherfucker for loudness. If the 25 goes well im going to make a 9 and if that one goes well i'll make a higher caliber like 45 or 50. My dad is helping me make it lol. mad props for his parenting skills eh?

My pen gun is nearing completion.
the first prototype will be made out of high pressure copper (didnt think it exsisted untill today) and it will fire a laughable caliber of .177 or smaller. I will move up to larger round in a later date or when i find a good source of material.

does anyone want pics or will you be satisfied with a description?

[Th0r]

Meh I was hoping for pictures...

Could you produce a parts directory for your Improvised SMG?

Out of personal interest I would like to know how much it would cost to put one together, plus could you calso tell us what tools you used?

And on the topic of your Pepper Grinder I vaguely thought about it. I will have to check that one out... I have a use for them... Now!

[crazy white guy]

pics will be uploaded in a second
they are big and taking a while to upload

[crazy white guy]

heres an over view of the parts and ammo for the pipe gun (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0451.jpg)

closeup of the ammo. they are ramset cartridges and hiltl's. bot fit in the device but the ramsets are a snug fit. the hiltls dont go all the way into the barrel but sit in the reducer as if they were a recked bullet when really they arents and dont. (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0452.jpg)

thats the box of ramsets. when i put the camera down it made a cool effect. so there it is (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0453.jpg)


the assembled device with the ammo with it (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0454.jpg)

ballmill media that has yet to have use, a set of files that have the sharpest and strongest teeth ive ever seen on a tool. theres also a lighter there that is a motherfucker to use but it burns at 2300 degrees center grade and can light a fag from 10 cms (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0455.jpg)

the melatonin container that i used as a ball mill, the pepper grinder that can mash just about anything. Its a bitch to use but works amazingly. the shot glass that my ex gave to me a few months/years ago. the chalice thing that i use an a mortar. It doesn't loose much materials but still scratches a fair bit. lastly the drill press handle i used as a pestle (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0456.jpg)

makeshift ball mill closeup (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0457.jpg)

peppergrinder mechanics and chalice (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0458.jpg)

if anyone wants to see, heres my bump key that i have not yet completed. I still need to take of one more pin placement before it will work on my girlfriend's basedment door. it was a coincadence that the key was of the same brand as the girlfriend lock (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0459.jpg)


so far this is all of the bsp parts i have minus the complete upper ald lower receiver parts that are coming tomorow (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0460.jpg)

this is my hand cutter for tube (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0461.jpg)

multi tool and cylinder file (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0462.jpg)

everything (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0463.jpg)

iron oxide before drying (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0438.jpg)

oven used to dry stuff (http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r286/vee_door/IMG_0439.jpg)




Is there anything else rorta wants a pic of?

[crazy white guy]

im also going to make a new thread with a detailed project explanation and walk through of the pen gun/bolt action thing if anyone wants to reproduce my results

[Th0r]

I'll Archive the pictures in case your Photobucket account goes down.

Crazy White Guy, you mentioned a tutorial did you not?

im also going to make a new thread with a detailed project explanation and walk through of the pen gun/bolt action thing if anyone wants to reproduce my results

I can help you and put it into PDF format if you want?

[crazy white guy]

haha I'd like that. as soon as the device is getting close to being done I'll contact

[Micro]

For the first time I see someone making a gun from PA Lutys books!
Exept that whem I find some 30mmx30mm tubing with 2mm wallthikness. Then I'll start. Also if you finish your bsp smg be sure to post it on roguesci.
Their luty smg thread is full of theoretical masturbation.
And if you are making a cal 45 smg why not make it by the minuteman smg plans?
They ware made for cal 45 afterall. And cal 50 in a blowback smg dosn't sound safe. Would it be .50ae, .50bmg, .50beowulf or .50gi?
I'd go for .50gi as it is just a slightly larger .45acp.

I hope that this thread won't turn into a flame abut calibres tough.
Srsly post pics of the smg whem it is ready!

[crazy white guy]

i have most of the parts for the SMG but not enough to start any real assembly. I want to follow the plans in the book to the word the first time so that i have a bit of experience with the design. Then i'll move on to a more exciting caliber.

Its kinda exciting to be making an SMG. After its built i can maybe have a barrel liner and have a 10inch barrel instead of the 3 inch that is called for in the plan. Also I might put a home made P90 barrel if i get that bored.

[Th0r]

CWG, in the first picture you posted there is 9 Millimetre or .22 Ammunition you posted. Correct?

May I ask how you obtained the ammunition?

My dad is helping me make it lol. mad props for his parenting skills eh?

My father is uninterested in helping me, but thankfully my grandfather, who died thirty years ago left me enough E & W information in the shape of books to help me out.

[crazy white guy]

nope. those are the .22's

I can get my ammo relatively easily. i have a fake ID and a minor's license. both can get me ammo without any trouble.

[Th0r]

I'm not much of an expert on handguns, as they are illegal.

*Looks with contempt at the Government.*

[crazy white guy]

haha play nice with the facists,

and then repay their ass rape with a bullet in the head.

handguns shouldnt be illegal. its justified that "assault rifles" should be illegal. but not handguns which are now designed to protect and not to kill. even though they do a damn good job of it.

[davey_crockshit]

its justified that "assault rifles" should be illegal. but not handguns which are now designed to protect and not to kill.

it's a matter of opinion.

what legitimate uses are there for weapons in private hands? the UK government has decided that the answer to that question is none. in their own estimation at least, they know what's best and because they have an army backing them up, their opinion is the only one that matters.

[crazy white guy]

ive never heard anyone give a reasonable statement as to why any sort of non prohibited firearm should be illegal. I've also never heard anyone tell me a good reason why any prohibited firearm should be legal.

[Th0r]

what legitimate uses are there for weapons in private hands? the UK government has decided that the answer to that question is none. in their own estimation at least, they know what's best and because they have an army backing them up, their opinion is the only one that matters.

Despite the large community that use firearms corectly and safely.

[davey_crockshit]

i stand corrected, still, let's see what happens in the next few years with that.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

What about guns to go hunting?

[UKSWAT]

Gun laws, how I hate them. Those who choose to break the law are unaffected if guns are banned for the people who use them legally. It's silly really, what annoys me more is the fact that they banned all replicas too:

They see a guy walk out of a pub with a long stick, they jump to the conclusion that it's a shotgun and kill him. Do you blame the incompetent police who couldn't distinguish the difference between a table leg or a shotgun? Or blame the guy. Because everybody knows that criminals take their guns with them and carry it in the open, right next to police...

Someone has a replica lighter, once again he's shot and killed. Why is it so hard to fathom the concept that criminals don't show off with their guns? So rather than training police better, what does the British government do? They ban all replicas. I wanted a CO2 Smith & Wesson 6" revolver, thanks to the morons who run this country I can no longer buy it as it doesn't come with a orange safety tip. No criminal in his right mind waves a gun around in the street, if he pulls it out it's because he's firing it or throwing it away.

A similar thing is happening with knives, knife crime has always been apparent in London, it's just that with all these aggravating sob stories about "innocent" Jack who got knifed for "looking at someone" is what has caused this. The reality is, Jack is not innocent, he never just glanced briefly at those "yobs", he stared, he gave attitude, and he gave them lip when confronted, he asked for the conflict.

The British government is so interested in pleasing everyone they've lost direction of what they are supposed to do: lead the country. Unfortunately, the best decisions may not be the most pleasing or the one that suits the majority. Giving a false sense of security to the public by banning replicas, hand guns and passing other legislations that affect the hobbyist rather than the guilty is what is turning the UK into a nanny state.

[Th0r]

They see a guy walk out of a pub with a long stick, they jump to the conclusion that it's a shotgun and kill him. Do you blame the incompetent police who couldn't distinguish the difference between a table leg or a shotgun? Or blame the guy. Because everybody knows that criminals take their guns with them and carry it in the open, right next to police...


He had an Irish accent!

That, by the Metropolitan Police Forces logic means that he is guilty, and a member of the IRA. I'm fairly certain that in the Troubles Irish terrorists did not walk down a typical street with a shotgun in a Sainsbury's bag...

The bottom line is the government of the United Kingdom, don't and never will care about their true citizens. They didn't care about the children of Dunblane. They didn't care about the people of Hungerford.

The only thing they did care about was pleasing Liberal, Anti-Gun Groups.

And thus winning more votes.

If the Government did care about us; The citizen, they would permit us to defend ourselves from violent criminals such as murderers and rapists...

They would encourage Self-Defence classes and Firearm Courses.

And they wouldn't put the rights of criminals and petty Thugs, before the rights of citizens trying to defend themselves...

You'll notice that the Labour Party, and the Government only care about personal gain, and profit...

[davey_crockshit]

If you're armed, you're a citizen, if not, you're a subject. that's how the bumper sticker reads here, anyway.



I can no longer buy it as it doesn't come with a orange safety tip.

they do make orange paint, you know....

what i want is white and gray paint that makes something look as if it is clear plastic from a distance.

that way the cops can be SURE its a replica.

[crazy white guy]

If you're armed, you're a citizen, if not, you're a victim. that's how the bumper sticker reads here, anyway.

thats better

[UKSWAT]

they do make orange paint, you know....

It doesn't work like that, it has to come out of the factory with an orange tip, the MODEL is banned. That revolver was not plastic, I wouldn't dare go near it with orange paint even if it meant breaking the law.

http://www.pyramydair.com/images/sm_ws6_black.jpg

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/smith-wesson-586-co2-pellet-gun.shtml

[Th0r]

Putting plastic Orange Tips onto the end of gun barrels doesn't help. If someone walks down the road with a C02 Gun with an Orange tip on the end of the barrel, someone will probably call the Cops...

And when the Firearms Response Unit turns up, they won't give a shit about the Orange Tip, if you don't surrender...

Also, this whole Orange Tip thing was first trialled in America. Not the leading Nanny State of the World; The United Kingdom... Oh well, there's still Europe for anyone interested in C02 Guns without the silly Orange Tips...

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Orange tip is a stupid idea. You could put it on a loaded gun and say its a model, tell them to watch and kill the person.

Very unlikely situation but possible.

[S25]

You can remove an orange tip. Therefore this 'protection' is void.

Damn he had an Irish accent!

[Th0r]

Yes, you can remove the Orange Tip, but it's a pain in the ass to do, and can often cause damage to the replica firearm. Something that I would want to avoid...

Damn he had an Irish accent!

Well Harry Stanley was actually Scottish, but someone mistakenly thought it was an Irish accent, and called the Police about an Irishman with a shotgun [A table leg in a Plastic Bag].

So basically some moron is to blame for Mr. Stanley's demise.

[UKSWAT]

Then why didn't they tell him to drop the weapon and get to the ground like in America? That constitutes as poor judgement. Understandably, why should they risk their life if it's actually a shotgun? Just as equally, if it's not a shotgun then that's a person's life you're taking.

Boils down to poor priority training, lack of knowledge in terms of dealing with potentially hostile situations and overall stupidity by the police force.

[Th0r]

Or as my Grand father thought, it's all down to Adrenalin, and excitement. The Cops see the target, and are hasty. They shoot, and often won't stop. Which could serve as an explanation for the Stanley murder, and the slaying of Jean Charles De Menezes...

[davey_crockshit]

that brazilian guy they chased through the subway before killing him? heard about that....

Yes, you can remove the Orange Tip, but it's a pain in the ass to do, and can often cause damage to the replica firearm

black paint. but yeah, orange tip or no, no one will be stupid enough to automatically assume its a replica. just saying its so easy to make the one look like the other.....

[Th0r]

that brazilian guy they chased through the subway before killing him? heard about that....


Yea. They made a right mess of it mind you...

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

just saying its so easy to make the one look like the other.....


Orange tip is a stupid idea. You could put it on a loaded gun and say its a model, tell them to watch and kill the person.

Very unlikely situation but possible.

Done lol.

[thief]

CWG Can I ask... why are you using blanks?