Using the Military for training

[auto493398]

Would there be any benefit to joining the army for assault and tactical skills to use on the street (think north hollywood shootout type scenarios), im thinking maybe make a fake id of someone real and then join, go through their training and then disappear right about the time their ready to ship your ass off to iraq.
I dont know much about their training so im wondering if you could learn their skills just as easy on your own, anybody been in the military and can offer any insight?

[RoundElephant]

That is a big ass deal that used to be punishable by death. Theyd probably use facial recognition software ro find you. And your physical appearance and dental records would have to be almost identical to the person's id u stole.

[crazy white guy]

join the army under your own info and become a reserve. do something that will guarantee you to be the last on the list to go to iraq. something like head nutrition consultant. Walking out of military service often makes people get shot in the face for treason (by the enemy of course;)

[S25]

Military training is not actually that great. Depending where you live you would be better looking into combat training schools or gun training schools. I suggest you google that.

[UKSWAT]

Not a smart move, once you join the military and train for a certain length of time (depends on the country) then you're not allowed to leave without good reason. Many people have attempted to leave and the military doesn't take it lightly, so on that basis I'm guessing fake IDs won't let you hop in and out the military as you please. Also, military training is more about physical and mental toughness rather than skill based. Far as the military is concerned, they are producing soldiers on a mass scale, not specialized commandos, so you'll be trained more for survival skills and physical fitness than anything.

What's easier? Making a thousand soldiers spend time perfecting ground fighting techniques or making a thousand soldiers go for a run in a muddy field?

If you want training then:

1. Go to the gym and join a circuits class, this will work on your cardiovascular fitness and muscular endurance.
2. Learn to swim well, life guard qualification is good enough.
3. Do paintball with RAP guns rather than normal markers, RAP stands for "Real Action Paintball", it's a series of paintball guns which are based off real firearms.
4. Do two forms of martial arts, a self defence system and a striking system. In your position I would pick Muay Thai and Krav Maga, KM teaches defences but neglects physical conditioning. Muay Thai physically conditions a person but has no techniques designed for street use. Many KM practitioners do Muay Thai.
5. Go shooting ranges regularly, for obvious reasons.

That should give you significant training.

Bit of Trivia: I went paintball and fought against a team of Muslims, didn't think much of it until they started saying things like "This isn't like how it will be in real life". Half a year later, the news reports these terrorists convicted of conspiring to cause explosions. It said they were using paintball facilities (the name of the one I went to was mentioned) for training.

[Th0r]

3. Do paintball with RAP guns rather than normal markers, RAP stands for "Real Action Paintball", it's a series of paintball guns which are based off real firearms.

5. Go shooting ranges regularly, for obvious reasons.



Bit of Trivia: I went paintball and fought against a team of Muslims, didn't think much of it until they started saying things like "This isn't like how it will be in real life". Half a year later, the news reports these terrorists convicted of conspiring to cause explosions. It said they were using paintball facilities (the name of the one I went to was mentioned) for training.

RAP is also known as RAM. Real Action Markers... And shooting regularly in the United Kingdom is hard to do. You have to be CRB Vetted before you can attend a club...

These Muslims you were talking about, were they the guys who trained in the Lake District as well?

PS, UKSWAT you can't call Muslims, Muslims. It's Minority Ethnics...

:saroll:

[RoundElephant]

Bit of Trivia:[/B] I went paintball and fought against a team of Muslims, didn't think much of it until they started saying things like "This isn't like how it will be in real life". Half a year later, the news reports these terrorists convicted of conspiring to cause explosions. It said they were using paintball facilities (the name of the one I went to was mentioned) for training.

Thats the funniest thing I've ever heard.

[davey_crockshit]

I can see paintball being more useful than standard bullseye shooting, but it can also give you habits that will get you killed in real life. with standard markers, the shooting part isn't realistic but learning team tactics and getting in the habit of paying attention to your surroundings will come in handy.

many airsoft guns are quite realistic and accurate to maybe twenty yards or so. if you can hit a soda can at twenty yards, you can hit a man at one hundred. practice is cheap and quiet. done in a garage with the stereo playing, i don't think the neighbors would notice. i heard somewhere that there was a japanese guy a few years ago who got really good with airsoft. he came to america, entered an ipsc tournament with a borrowed gun and won.

the military WILL fingerprint you and will also have dental records and probably DNA. they WILL see through your false identity if you have prints on file already.

basic training more or less gets you programmed to follow orders, etc. then they teach you how to do your actual job. if it's technical or routine, weapons training may not be a significant part of it. i know a guy who was in the navy for years and only saw guns once that werent mounted on a ship or plane. go in as a grunt and try out for special forces. its the only way to guarantee the right kind of training.

if i were you, i would think long and hard before joining the u.s. military right now. you have heard of the stop loss thing right? they are desperate for grunts and are sending guys back four or five times, sometimes after their enlistments have officially ended. that said, seeing as they have had several years of on the job training in kicking ass, those grunts are people i definitely do not want to fuck with. you get the skills, but it comes at a price.


didn't think much of it until they started saying things like "This isn't like how it will be in real life".

odd little comments like that tend to stick in people's minds. they should have kept quiet about things not immediately paintball related until they were alone. maybe having two or three of their people join an existing team of non muslims would have drawn even less attention. good thing they were stupid about it. i suppose the moral of that story is that people notice more things about you than you probably realize.


PS, UKSWAT you can't call Muslims, Muslims. It's Minority Ethnics...


political correctness will doom us all.... it's just stupid feel good bullshit that isnt fooling anyone with half a brain or no agenda.

[Th0r]

many airsoft guns are quite realistic and accurate to maybe twenty yards or so. if you can hit a soda can at twenty yards, you can hit a man at one hundred. practice is cheap and quiet. done in a garage with the stereo playing, i don't think the neighbors would notice. i heard somewhere that there was a japanese guy a few years ago who got really good with airsoft. he came to america, entered an ipsc tournament with a borrowed gun and won.



The good Airsoft guns are few and Far between. In the past I've had to spend up to ?50/$100 on a decent, accurate Airsoft Pistol. And that's before we get to rifles and the bigger toys...

if i were you, i would think long and hard before joining the u.s. military right now.

I would think long and hard about joining the US National Guard let alone the bloody Army. I read an interesting account from a National Guard Soldier in Iraq, that signed up solely for the National Guard. Nothing about Iraq, or Afghanistan.

odd little comments like that tend to stick in people's minds. they should have kept quiet about things not immediately paintball related until they were alone. maybe having two or three of their people join an existing team of non muslims would have drawn even less attention. good thing they were stupid about it. i suppose the moral of that story is that people notice more things about you than you probably realize.

Agreed, Davey...

In the United Kingdom and the United States, the failed Terror Cells are those who are vocal about their hatred for the western world. Whilst as the successful Cells are the ones who undermine the system and live within...

...Then strike.

You'll notice this was the case with the 9/11 Gang and the 7/7 Four.

[crazy white guy]

airsoft does develop tactical and targeting skills but chances are that unless you plan to run and gun a bank robbery, you'll never use the skills you have been practicing. UKSWAT suggested learning two martial arts. This only makes sense if they are complimentary. By that i mean that one uses a striking based attack while the other uses throws and holds.

good combos are things like

MMA and karate
taekwondo and akeido
brazillian dance and judo.

practicing a pair like that on a buddy for a few hours a week will give you the ability to disable anyone without a gun or extensive training.

The good Airsoft guns are few and Far between

this is true. but red wolf (http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Home) can get you anything you would ever use in real steel and they have decent prices if you don't need shipping to canada.

you can get the parts for everything else you would need to train with online.

[auto493398]

Im not the slightest bit concerned with the fake id, fingerprinting, or facial recognition tech, all of thats easy to defeat, as far as getting away before they ship you to iraq, that wouldnt be hard either, just go awol on your leave, tons of soldiers do it all the time. As far as dental records being matched to anyone, theres no database to compare that to, and I highly doubt that they would bother checking in the first place. I have never heard of the military taking dna samples of soldiers, anyone got any info to prove this?

My main question was regarding whether the training was any good, I know army dosent teach much, I quizzed a guy I knew from Iraq once about his fight training in the u.s. army and he basically said they teach you that if the enemy is getting that close you should be running away, anyways what about marines they teach anything worth a damn.

I am mainly interested in assault tactics with automatic weapons, urban combat, ect...
Im thinking if im gonna bother learning this shit why not get paid to do it, but if the training isnt that good then im just gonna learn it on my own.

[crazy white guy]

automatic weapons should be avoided. the only reason they are used is because niggers cant aim. My dad could do more with a 1911 and three mags than then all the Nigerian army could do with 3,000 ak's and a truckload of ammo. Auto's get you too much jail time to be worth it and aren't legal to carry in most countries under any circumstance. You should allways do EVERYthing as close to legal as possible. this way, If you get caught. you only get maybe 3 months of jail time and 300 hours of community service. If you get caught with a stash of illegal weapons and precursors for meth and explosives. then your in the shithole. Its better to have a reason for everything and all the permits for as much as you can get away with.

[edit: spell checker raped my post]

[Th0r]

Im not the slightest bit concerned with the fake id, fingerprinting, or facial recognition tech, all of thats easy to defeat, as far as getting away before they ship you to iraq, that wouldnt be hard either, just go awol on your leave, tons of soldiers do it all the time. As far as dental records being matched to anyone, theres no database to compare that to, and I highly doubt that they would bother checking in the first place. I have never heard of the military taking dna samples of soldiers, anyone got any info to prove this?


In the UK the Army don't as of yet take DNA from soldiers to ID them with. When the Police state escalates they'll be taking DNA of everyone, so they'll cross reference the DNA...

As opposed to going AWOL on leave get a dodgy Doctor to give you a Heart Disease diagnosis.

On a side note...

When the Police state escalates they'll be taking DNA of everyone
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To the beloved Government!

[icharianchem]

i would like to take this moment to laugh at all of you living in areas with tough gun laws. I just bought a Walther at a motherfucking yardsale for 90 USD. Take that Europe bwhahhaha

[DoubleTShiftty]

i would like to take this moment to laugh at all of you living in areas with tough gun laws. I just bought a Walther at a motherfucking yardsale for 90 USD. Take that Europe bwhahhaha

In the UK, you can get Firearms just as easily as that nowadays.. You don't even need the proper connections any more.. In-fact, they are even easier to get hold of WITH the tough anti-firearm measures in place, because you don't have to go through the application and licensing process. And if you are not a complete retard there is a small chance you will get caught with it.

[davey_crockshit]

I just bought a Walther at a motherfucking yardsale for 90 USD.

SCORE!!!

pp? ppk? ppk/s? .32 or .380? waffenampt marks? you might have something quite valuable there...

they're cool, but they're too small for my hands. i can just see the slide slicing my thumb open. a makarov is more my size. too bad i haven't seen any around here in awhile.

[Th0r]

He might have just bought one of the newer Walthers.

CP88 or P99?

Though I doubt you'd pick them up for 90 USD.

[auto493398]

Sounds like doing it on my own is the way to go, Ill probably do some airsoft with a few marines or something until I get real good at it. I started lifting weights a while back so I know thats gonna help. Ill probably take UKSWAT's advice and start some martial arts training, possibly learn some parkour style running. Buy an assault rifle and start practicing out in the woods or somewhere.....
Is there anything else I am forgetting?

Basically I wanna be able to own some pigs should I ever get in a shootout with them

[crazy white guy]

if you are ever in a shootout with anyone, the best thing to do is shoot under their cover. I have never heard of anyone retuning fire after losing a knee or a foot. And shooting to kill will only get you more charges if you fail. Assault rifles should only be used if you absolutely need them. But its always nice to have one handy.

[Th0r]

if you are ever in a shootout with anyone, the best thing to do is shoot under their cover. I have never heard of anyone retuning fire after losing a knee or a foot.

Crazy White Guy, you'll notice that was the case with one of the North Hollywood Bank robbers. He fucked around a pick up truck and engaged in a fire fight with SWAT Officers. They took his feet out; And pounced.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9703/19/briefs/shootout.lge.jpg

When I can I'll get you guys some pictures of feet with holes in.

[crazy white guy]

I remember that. i saw it on the news when it happened. two guys stole 1.2 mil from a bank and ran away in a home-armored can and suits. The reason they failed is because their leg armor was heavy and had weak point in the back of the knee which could only be hit when they were running away. I think they killed 13 cops for a total of 14 kills including one of the gunmen.

this is a reason assault rifles should be kept handy, and a reason that they should not be used a lot. the surviving gunman is serving 40 years last i heard. If they had better vehicle they could have done a lot better.

[RoundElephant]

I remember that. i saw it on the news when it happened. two guys stole 1.2 mil from a bank and ran away in a home-armored can and suits. The reason they failed is because their leg armor was heavy and had weak point in the back of the knee which could only be hit when they were running away. I think they killed 13 cops for a total of 14 kills including one of the gunmen.

this is a reason assault rifles should be kept handy, and a reason that they should not be used a lot. the surviving gunman is serving 40 years last i heard. If they had better vehicle they could have done a lot better.

Actually no cops were killed but quite a few were injured.

[crazy white guy]

i just re-read the wiki article and it didn't say how many pigs got butchered.

[Th0r]

The only two killed and this is a fucking miracle were the robbers themselves...

They wounded 14 Cops, and I read on Wikipedia that two went on to kill themselves after suffering from PTS [Post Traumatic Stress] Disorder, which is hardly surprising. :saroll:

I read an article over at Rogue Sci that suggested that had the Robbers been using Hollow Point Ammunition as opposed to Armour Piercing Ammunition they would have killed people, rather than seriously injuring them.

[icharianchem]

SCORE!!!

pp? ppk? ppk/s? .32 or .380? waffenampt marks? you might have something quite valuable there...

they're cool, but they're too small for my hands. i can just see the slide slicing my thumb open. a makarov is more my size. too bad i haven't seen any around here in awhile.

im not sure i just offed it to a friend. Im schizo-affective so its a BAD idea for me to have guns lying around

[misterincognito]

many gangs are doing this nowadays to get recruits familiar with weapons and in shape

[Th0r]

Source Cognito?

[crazy white guy]

It was on CNN a few years ago. They showed pictures of hundreds of soldiers showing gangs signs and wearing their gang colors in their grad pictures.

[Th0r]

Right, looking at it in a different way it does seem possible.

[M_Rommel]

It was on CNN a few years ago. They showed pictures of hundreds of soldiers showing gangs signs and wearing their gang colors in their grad pictures.

Yeah, I saw that as well. That was fucking awesome when those cops got owned by that Marine nigger in that ambush!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgwfVJIoBNM

[Pimpin4Life30]

TRy blackwater i hear they have a mercenarie school or something.

[Micro]

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/jobs/default_contract.asp

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And that appears to be the lest you need.

[DoubleTShiftty]

You could just apply to be in the Army, I know the British Army isn't THAT hard to get into, as long as you are relatively fit and you pass the medical. Sign up for a minimum service of 4 years (Not sure about other countries, but I know this is the minimum time you can serve in the British Army) and you can get proper Military training, you will get paid for it, it will build you mentally and physically and you will get real-life experience of Firefights and it will be a good situation to gauge how you would react to something like that as a civilian.

There are many pros with Joining the Army, but as with anything there are also many cons.

[crazy white guy]

America is one of the easiest western armies to get into. Retards have been picked up off the street and dropped into the gulf.

[Th0r]

Shifty, as opposed to joining the full on Army why not join the TA?

[davey_crockshit]

would that be like joining the national guard here? the regular army is so hard up for troops that national guard gets deployed just about as much.

hurricane relief? hell no, enjoy your stay in iraqistan!

[Th0r]

The Territorial Army is a Part-Time department of the Army with people who have normal day jobs and every six months go to Iraq or Afghanistan. There is a minimun tour time before you can bail out but you can opt to only do training if you don't enjoy it...

Before World War Two broke out my Grandfather was in the TA. Never knew what he thought of it.

Davey I too believe the treatment of Natial Guardsmen in the USA is disgusting. In the words of one guardsmen...

"We should be back home helping the people of New Orleans. Not stuck in a country where the people clearly don't want us".

[DoubleTShiftty]

Shifty, as opposed to joining the full on Army why not join the TA?

Even better Idea Th0r.

I'm due for my medical soon up in Scotland, I'm almost certain I will pass that and I've been training, physically, very hard for the past few months now, to get my run times down to a minimum and build upper and lower body strength.
I'm actually looking at joining the Para's and I'm quite optimistic I'll do so, hence the reason I've been training hard. This was basically expected of me though from a young age because my family background is pretty much Military based all the way back to the 'Great War'.

[Th0r]

Due to Health reasons, I'm already disqualified from joining the military apart from the TA, which is where I would go if I had to...

[Th0r]

Having now experienced a small slice of Basic training for the Worlds most Over-Trained Regiment, the Royal Marines I can tell you now it's not easy going...

...And if people can't hack it, then you have to ask: What are they doing in a gang?

If they can't take the abuse. The shouting. The mockery and humiliation.

What place do they have in a Gang?

However I must say, if one wanted to be turned into a Sociopathic Killer, perfect for a Gang he could join the Military for training.

Also unlike UK Army training you can bail out after your Royal Marines Training... Slick.

Remember 99.9% of People May not Apply.

[raiden654]

heres what i did i took my brothers army training manual. it reminds me of the boyscouts manual i used to have when i was little cept they also have ways to kill people and hold guns and that sorta shit. now if you wanna get good take the armys standards physical and double it(thats what i plan on doing when i get my fat ass off this computer) i bet you could talk to a recruiter about getting a book

[Th0r]

Why bother bringing yourself to the attention [Potential Harassment] of a Recuiter to get you an Army Training Manual [He probably won't get you it.] when you can Download numerous manuals on the Internet?

[DJ Poppinfresh]

Why bother bringing yourself to the attention [Potential Harassment] of a Recuiter to get you an Army Training Manual [He probably won't get you it.] when you can Download numerous manuals on the Internet?

But where's the fun in that?

[Tarnak]

There's a lot of bullshit training in the military. There's also some fucking amazing training that will make you hard. I've been in the marines for 3 years and here's the shit you learn well

1-) Marksmanship - Simple fundamentals of firing a weapon accurately at a distance... bone support, trigger control, breathing, stance, etc. Also combat shooting... the look-over-your sights type engagement of targets at less than 50m
2-) Infantry Tactics - not so good for a gang if nobody else knows what the fuck to do. Clearing rooms. Fields of Fire. Infantry patrolling. Hand and arm signals... cover, concealment, ambushes, etc. etc.
3- ) MCMAP - Marine Corps Martial Arts Program - Stupidly basic at first belt levels... "lead hand punch", "rear hand punch", etc. Starts to get pretty damn advanced at the green belt and above levels. It really depends on your teacher and how they train you... I happened to have a really good one and we'd learn more by application in sparring than just going through the motions on a stationary opponent.
Unfortunately now the marines don't like full contact sparring as much because there's too many injuries, so these days its a lot more grappling. While MCMAP teaches you tons of ground fighting and wrestling etc. the general strategy is this: put your opponent on the ground and stomp the shit out of them. We would literally practice heel stomps on sandbags... its harder to aim than you'd think without practice.

After I got back I did MMA for several months before my surgery. Some of the stuff the marines use is absolutely great - they have this one brutal counter to the mount that my mma instructor was awed by. But MCMAP is lacking in a Muay Thai foundation. IMHO Muay Thai is one of the key martial arts.... there's standup, ground fighting, and clinch game. If you're lacking in any of those you are at a disadvantage. But everything the marines teach is fundamentally sound and based on what is effective and what works.

4-) How to be a hardass. How to lead other hardasses. How to take a ton of shit and have it not really bother you. How to just be a natural alpha male.


Of course, that last one won't apply to you.

After all, how will you be able to lie to yourself about being a hardass when you're too pussy to actually deploy?

[Abrazaderas]

i like this thread.

i want to join the army so bad it hurts. call me an idiot, but i get all giddy with excitement when i think about boot camp. the only reason i don't go talk to a recruiter right this instant is because my dog is sorta screwy about me and will starve to death if i leave her, and i can't allow that... there's no point in getting forward in life by a year or two and then hating myself for the rest of my life for essentially murdering my most loyal and trusted friend and companion by abandoning her to death by pining away because i left her. she'd wonder where i went and spend all day crying and looking for me until she became too weak to, and simply slowly die from malnutrition.

i can't fucking do it. i... just fucking can't. my boss calls me a pussy because he knows i want to join the military and i don't, but i don't care. he doesn't understand. i will not fucking do it.

in the mean time, i am just going to enjoy myself, DJ and write music, box and wrestle and take krav maga and aikido classes, and get drunk or high once in a while, and try to get this 40 year old lady at work to fuck me, and try to get into community college, and play classical music on my guitar. it's pretty much inevitable after that that i join the army, apply for the green berets at some point, work as a mercenary essentially after that until i'm 32. at 32 i'll probably go insane, believe i'm jesus, try to start a religion, form a terrorist group on the side and do some seriously bad ass shit that is nonetheless insane and criminal, and probably die somewhere between 35 and 40.

at least it's more interesting then some peoples lives.

[lcnostra]

Why bother bringing yourself to the attention [Potential Harassment] of a Recuiter to get you an Army Training Manual [He probably won't get you it.] when you can Download numerous manuals on the Internet?

Seriously. I've downloaded everything from combat manuals to med school training guides. The information is out there and there's no need to talk to recruiters to get a physical copy.

[Tarnak]

i like this thread.

i want to join the army so bad it hurts. call me an idiot, but i get all giddy with excitement when i think about boot camp. the only reason i don't go talk to a recruiter right this instant is because my dog is sorta screwy about me and will starve to death if i leave her, and i can't allow that... there's no point in getting forward in life by a year or two and then hating myself for the rest of my life for essentially murdering my most loyal and trusted friend and companion by abandoning her to death by pining away because i left her. she'd wonder where i went and spend all day crying and looking for me until she became too weak to, and simply slowly die from malnutrition.

i can't fucking do it. i... just fucking can't. my boss calls me a pussy because he knows i want to join the military and i don't, but i don't care. he doesn't understand. i will not fucking do it.

in the mean time, i am just going to enjoy myself, DJ and write music, box and wrestle and take krav maga and aikido classes, and get drunk or high once in a while, and try to get this 40 year old lady at work to fuck me, and try to get into community college, and play classical music on my guitar. it's pretty much inevitable after that that i join the army, apply for the green berets at some point, work as a mercenary essentially after that until i'm 32. at 32 i'll probably go insane, believe i'm jesus, try to start a religion, form a terrorist group on the side and do some seriously bad ass shit that is nonetheless insane and criminal, and probably die somewhere between 35 and 40.

at least it's more interesting then some peoples lives.

Good plan.

[The Jinn]

it's pretty much inevitable after that that i join the army, apply for the green berets at some point,


The green berets are part time philanthropists and work a lot with locals ... they do no focus completely on combat tactics. The 75th Ranger regiment is a highly trained strike force. They focus on combat and small unit tactics more than anyone else, except of course the seals, delta, sas etc. ...

It's a little known fact, but rangers are required to physically train four hours alone each day on their own free time.

I would join them if I wanted the most intense practical combat training.

[Abrazaderas]

well, what is that shit? that's not like the movies. and if rangers train four hours a day, on their own, then by my calculations they should be muscular enough for bullets to bounce off them, and would have staged a coup already, and we would be living in the united states of rangers. that's pretty crazy.

but obviously the green berets are going to be spending time with locals. it's a little known fact that special forces were actually designed to be teachers essentially, and their mission was to train insurgents in other nations and stuff like that, like poison darts. they slide into a nation, equip and train villagers, and slide out.

i had considered the rangers, though, honestly at this point i haven't taken a close look into the options because it's not as though i'm making any important decisions about it right now. i'd pretty much like the job that gets the most exciting and interesting assignments most frequently.

and just a thought, would fucking count as physical exercise, or would i have to practice choke holds on her at the same time in order to count it as part of the four hours? some girls like that stuff...

[memphisbrit]

and just a thought, would fucking count as physical exercise, or would i have to practice choke holds on her at the same time in order to count it as part of the four hours? some girls like that stuff...

...Pretty sure fucking counts - as long as you shine your boots before you start and offer a crisp salute on completion:drillserg

[The Jinn]

well, what is that shit? that's not like the movies. and if rangers train four hours a day, on their own, then by my calculations they should be muscular enough for bullets to bounce off them, and would have staged a coup already, and we would be living in the united states of rangers. that's pretty crazy.

The type of exercise they do is more conducive to wiry muscles - it's hard to build a lot of bulk when you're running long distance all the time.

There are in fact less green berets than army rangers, but it's not surprising when you take into account the wider spectrum of specialized skills that are necessary for working with foreign untrained troops i.e. learning a language etc ... Their job is usually more complex, but for kicking down doors, raiding and general combat rangers are better than most.

[Abrazaderas]

for kicking down doors, raiding and general combat rangers are better than most.

i'll do this then most likely. they get to jump out of airplanes, too, FUCK YEAH!

[Æhµ]

You know there's a reason they call these guys the "Elite Special Forces"... you better have some training under your belt before you try to join them, or you'll be another washout statistic. I've seen some of the FM training guides on the web, make a good starting point in physical conditioning, if you can't handle those you know you aren't ready. Physical training isn't the only component either, there's the total submission to authority and the HEAD GAMES they play on you. Won't matter how tough you are if you can't handle the head games.

[Abrazaderas]

the head games will fucking amuse me after the trauma i was put through as a child. complete unquestioning obedience is a blissful state. the physical component is the most worrisome to me, but, as i said, i have about two years for conditioning, martial arts and gymnastics.

[Æhµ]

the head games will fucking amuse me after the trauma i was put through as a child. complete unquestioning obedience is a blissful state. the physical component is the most worrisome to me, but, as i said, i have about two years for conditioning, martial arts and gymnastics.

Don't forget age is also a factor, there's a lot of competition in boot camp, you don't want to be the guy coming in last in every exercise against a lot of 18-20 year olds. Then again, if you take full opportunity of that extra time before enlisting to get in top shape you might have the advantage.

[Abrazaderas]

well, i should be 22 at the latest when i go in. and i do plan on taking full advantage of the time beforehand. i think i'll have the drop on the rest of them. fuckers won't even know what hit em. when i get on the bus, i plan on being carved out of freaking wood.

certain disciplines and fields of knowledge have learned me how to rapidly develop obsessive addictions to anything for the purpose of being able to get real good at things real fast and accomplish whatever i need to, and it's a simple thing for me to make myself find going a day without strenuous, psychotic exercise absolutely unbearable. i'm actually beginning a ten day fast on saturday to clean my system before i start to eat only unprocessed fruits and vegetables along with lean meat and about a gallon of milk a day, and after about a week of an hour of stretching a day, i'm beginning conditioning. hopefully i'll be able to start taking krav maga classes within a couple months.

i just though of something, i should probably eat less-healthy food for a couple weeks before going to bootcamp, since going straight from very healthy to whatever greasy slop they fuel us with would lead to stomach aches and acclimation problems in the first week.

[Wayland]

IMHO ending up in the military (especially infantry) is one of the worst things that can happen to a person. The military eats, digests, and shits out said person's psyche in the form of modular homogenized bricks. Military training is overwhelmingly about instilling obedience and teaching many lies in order to conquer a recruit's sense of reason, self-preservation, and so forth; also to turn them into a protocol-following automaton - not teaching them practical skills for waging war. There's a difference between "soldier" and "warrior". That training is about turning a self-valuing sapient being into a selfless (that word is an insult to me, FYI) and regimented subhuman zergling, for service of a nebulous "greater good", whether it be as small of a greater good as the beck and call of some dipshit with brass on his suit and a big hat.
In a hypothetical scenario - if cornered and unable to escape military conscription, I would fight the conscripting establishment to the death with no expectation of winning. This is not to say I would not voluntarily join some military; I can imagine one that I would be delighted to join - but not this one. The US military is thoroughly infested with philosophical degenerates and currently fights a 21st century asymmetrical war with a puritanical mindset.

In other words, in my opinion joining the military for the combat training it offers is like curing toe fungus with an axe.

i want to join the army so bad it hurts. call me an idiot, but i get all giddy with excitement when i think about boot camp.
I have a very dear friend and business associate who thinks much as you do. I've had some rather stiff arguments with this person. It almost brings a tear to my eye, thinking of it now.

[Abrazaderas]

you just don't get it. that's all. just keep in mind that we have all the same data that you do and simply don't find it to mean what you find it to mean, and you're not just some gifted individual that knows the truth just like we aren't either.

[RoundElephant]

you just don't get it. that's all. just keep in mind that we have all the same data that you do and simply don't find it to mean what you find it to mean, and you're not just some gifted individual that knows the truth just like we aren't either.

Why do you want to join?

[Abrazaderas]

A. The very things that wayland pointed as being the quashing of a personality are the things which my personality most grievously of all things personally lacks. being able to shut up and just do it because it needs to be done would be a good thing for me; to be able to march, without question or concern, lighthearted because i only obey. Discipline, extreme attention to detail even when it's not something i really care about, a personal sense of order-lyness as a fixed habit. plus, the USA takes pretty good care of it's solders as far as money and benefits go.

B. Fun. everyone i've spoken to, including people that have had friends killed, said that while war can be a bummer sometimes, life in the army is pretty goddamned fun, especially if you have a good job (and i want to be a ranger. they jump out of planes and focus on killing people well.) The only times i feel really alive and at peace with the universe are times when i am forced into giving 100% of myself by sheer danger and necessity; fights, the time some guys were trying to (at least) trying to very seriously injure me, when our 200 pound dogs got into scraps and i have to break it up, when something bad goes down, even if it's just at work, that demands ALL of me. combat i think would be the greatest of all thrills. the mad exultation of maybe being about to die and hunting other humans is what gets many men addicted to war.

C.wayland has ideological concerns. i do not. he acts like any millitary ever has been or ever will be any different - maybe the musketeers of gascon! that is what a soldier is. he is a machine. he does what he is commanded to, unswervingly, and without question. he kills and dies as he is told to. and it's not about the 'greater good', fuck, profit for our nation, or even just my employers, is a good enough reason for me to do that. i think he's probably got a bunch of flighty ideas about war and the millitary, and he thinks that it CAN be any different. it can not. for a soldier to be a soldier, he must be exactly what he described as being so awful. it's not a lobotomy unless you put all your personal worth into being a rebel and not doing what anyone tells you. a soldier is a warrior that is made up of many bodies, each one acting as a limb of the commanding officer. if the finger questions the hand, the warrior can not fight.

so in summary,

A. the personal transformation would be beneficial my entire life, and it's not bad what they train.
B. Fun and Profit
C. cause why not.

and perhaps, D, it's something that since i was very very young i wanted to do. it feels right. it feels like a place that i belong. it feels like the thing i would be best at, and there's nothing i like better then performing at the peak of my game.

[Wayland]

A. The very things that wayland pointed as being the quashing of a personality are the things which my personality most grievously of all things personally lacks. being able to shut up and just do it because it needs to be done would be a good thing for me; to be able to march, without question or concern, lighthearted because i only obey. Discipline, extreme attention to detail even when it's not something i really care about, a personal sense of order-lyness as a fixed habit. plus, the USA takes pretty good care of it's solders as far as money and benefits go.
In other words, you are claiming to be an emotional masochist? I can not empathize with your willingness to unconditionally trust authority because authority - forcibly imposed authority, worse yet - has repeatedly and shamelessly betrayed me in the past. It is unconscionable for me to trust someone to exercise my best interests from a position of weakness. Nature doesn't work that way.
Moreover, if you are getting the impression that I'm immethodical and undisciplined, discard such notions immediately. I have never been nor will ever be a nigger. I'm my own army of one.

B. Fun. everyone i've spoken to, including people that have had friends killed, said that while war can be a bummer sometimes, life in the army is pretty goddamned fun, especially if you have a good job (and i want to be a ranger. they jump out of planes and focus on killing people well.) The only times i feel really alive and at peace with the universe are times when i am forced into giving 100% of myself by sheer danger and necessity; fights, the time some guys were trying to (at least) trying to very seriously injure me, when our 200 pound dogs got into scraps and i have to break it up, when something bad goes down, even if it's just at work, that demands ALL of me. combat i think would be the greatest of all thrills. the mad exultation of maybe being about to die and hunting other humans is what gets many men addicted to war.
You sound much as a child who wants to become an astronaut. An astronaut is not Buck Rogers or Han Solo; an astronaut is a piece of cargo, a cog in a machine, following several hundred pages of detailed instructions for the possible contingencies of each mission (not an exaggeration). Take note of what I said - the distinction between "warrior" and "soldier". Warriors fight on their own terms, choose their own battles. Soldiers fight on others' terms, like chess pieces on the board. Moreover, here's something else which is a major difference between us: you view thrill as something positive. I've come to associate thrill with some extremely unpleasant things.

C.wayland has ideological concerns. i do not. he acts like any millitary ever has been or ever will be any different - maybe the musketeers of gascon! that is what a soldier is. he is a machine. he does what he is commanded to, unswervingly, and without question. he kills and dies as he is told to. and it's not about the 'greater good', fuck, profit for our nation, or even just my employers, is a good enough reason for me to do that. i think he's probably got a bunch of flighty ideas about war and the millitary, and he thinks that it CAN be any different. it can not. for a soldier to be a soldier, he must be exactly what he described as being so awful. it's not a lobotomy unless you put all your personal worth into being a rebel and not doing what anyone tells you. a soldier is a warrior that is made up of many bodies, each one acting as a limb of the commanding officer. if the finger questions the hand, the warrior can not fight.

Your fatalism is incomprehensible to me. Also, "the finger questions the hand"? You'd like to be a tool, in other words? What if said hand is attached to a dipshit who isn't following safety procedures, and the finger is about to be lost in a deli slicer? Can you live with having committed another's mistakes?

so in summary,

A. the personal transformation would be beneficial my entire life, and it's not bad what they train.
B. Fun and Profit
C. cause why not.

and perhaps, D, it's something that since i was very very young i wanted to do. it feels right. it feels like a place that i belong. it feels like the thing i would be best at, and there's nothing i like better then performing at the peak of my game.
Do it, I'm not stopping you. Maybe you'll even luck out and leave evidence of your existence.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/c1/Ty_and_Renee_Ziegel.jpg

And One - Men in Uniform (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0rvauz-G1c)

[RoundElephant]

A. The very things that wayland pointed as being the quashing of a personality are the things which my personality most grievously of all things personally lacks. being able to shut up and just do it because it needs to be done would be a good thing for me; to be able to march, without question or concern, lighthearted because i only obey. Discipline, extreme attention to detail even when it's not something i really care about, a personal sense of order-lyness as a fixed habit. plus, the USA takes pretty good care of it's solders as far as money and benefits go.

B. Fun. everyone i've spoken to, including people that have had friends killed, said that while war can be a bummer sometimes, life in the army is pretty goddamned fun, especially if you have a good job (and i want to be a ranger. they jump out of planes and focus on killing people well.) The only times i feel really alive and at peace with the universe are times when i am forced into giving 100% of myself by sheer danger and necessity; fights, the time some guys were trying to (at least) trying to very seriously injure me, when our 200 pound dogs got into scraps and i have to break it up, when something bad goes down, even if it's just at work, that demands ALL of me. combat i think would be the greatest of all thrills. the mad exultation of maybe being about to die and hunting other humans is what gets many men addicted to war.

C.wayland has ideological concerns. i do not. he acts like any millitary ever has been or ever will be any different - maybe the musketeers of gascon! that is what a soldier is. he is a machine. he does what he is commanded to, unswervingly, and without question. he kills and dies as he is told to. and it's not about the 'greater good', fuck, profit for our nation, or even just my employers, is a good enough reason for me to do that. i think he's probably got a bunch of flighty ideas about war and the millitary, and he thinks that it CAN be any different. it can not. for a soldier to be a soldier, he must be exactly what he described as being so awful. it's not a lobotomy unless you put all your personal worth into being a rebel and not doing what anyone tells you. a soldier is a warrior that is made up of many bodies, each one acting as a limb of the commanding officer. if the finger questions the hand, the warrior can not fight.

so in summary,

A. the personal transformation would be beneficial my entire life, and it's not bad what they train.
B. Fun and Profit
C. cause why not.

and perhaps, D, it's something that since i was very very young i wanted to do. it feels right. it feels like a place that i belong. it feels like the thing i would be best at, and there's nothing i like better then performing at the peak of my game.

So you honestly WANT to be told what to do and how to do it? And you're okay with being just another casualty?

You want to escape critical thinking?

I am not trying to be hostile with these questions I am just curious.

[Abrazaderas]

In other words, you are claiming to be an emotional masochist? I can not empathize with your willingness to unconditionally trust authority because authority - forcibly imposed authority, worse yet - has repeatedly and shamelessly betrayed me in the past. It is unconscionable for me to trust someone to exercise my best interests from a position of weakness. Nature doesn't work that way.
Moreover, if you are getting the impression that I'm immethodical and undisciplined, discard such notions immediately. I have never been nor will ever be a nigger. I'm my own army of one.

i don't know if i'm an emotional masochist. possibly. but there's really no element of the human spirit that i don't find to be beautiful and dazzlingly romantic; che guervera is one kind of romantic, the machine-like stormtrooper is another. the existentialist punk which i was, the well oiled killing device that does not question and is remarkably effective that i may soon be, the spiritual maniac that starts a religion afterwards, the gentle composer of chamber music that i may be after that, the terrorist that blows up the FCC building that i may die as - none of those people are similar, and yet i can find beauty and joy in being each one of them. i am not like other people - since a traumatic upbringing, i've had a indelible sense... of detachment. i reinvented buddhism in some ways to deal with the pain, when i was very young, and now, i am a ghost inside a monkey. i don't associate the things i do with who i am, and the most pleasurable thing to me is simple living. sometimes i'm walking home from a ten hour shift at four in the morning, and the mere act of walking sends me into a mystical bliss that really is just overwhelming.

i guess what i'm getting at is that i may join the rangers, never question an order, brutally exterminate fellow human beings, and leave - and the only mark left on me would be more ability in several regions. what i do will never be who i am. i will never be anything or anyone except to appearances. i don't exist. i'm a cipher. i could be a christian one day for the joy of it and a satanist the next. it may be said that i am the ultimate poet, if you go by keats definition; and whether my verses are ever published or not, my one life is all i know and where another person my look at the soldier and write a poem about him that casts him in a light which throws the lines of his face into a stark contrast in which can be read what really IS, and the romance of it comes out - but i would rather BE the soldier, live the blood and sweat and pain and toil, taste every stinging drop of it on my palate, feel every smudge of dirt and every aching muscle, because i want life so badly. i don't care to lose it as long as i die, as cyrano said, with steel in my heart and laughter on my lips. romance is not inherent in anything, it is a prism through which you view the world, it is a pair of emerald glasses that sometimes a person gets their hands on if life treats them a certain way.

have you ever read, "the thin red line"? there's a sear gent in that book named welsh. you might draw a few connections between him and me in some ways.


You sound much as a child who wants to become an astronaut. An astronaut is not Buck Rogers or Han Solo; an astronaut is a piece of cargo, a cog in a machine, following several hundred pages of detailed instructions for the possible contingencies of each mission (not an exaggeration). Take note of what I said - the distinction between "warrior" and "soldier". Warriors fight on their own terms, choose their own battles. Soldiers fight on others' terms, like chess pieces on the board. Moreover, here's something else which is a major difference between us: you view thrill as something positive. I've come to associate thrill with some extremely unpleasant things

when the child grows up, if he's at all intelligent, he realizes that buck rogers had several hundred pages of detailed instructions and a myriad of checklists he had to cycle through every thirty minutes as well, and he doesn't change his opinion because it involves work, he simply comes to view work as a part of being buck rogers. everything is work. there is no way to remain a child.

i think you have a fairy-tale idea of warriors and soldiers. what you call a warrior... who has ever been that? timothy mcveigh? no, because he didn't fight, he just killed. but he picked his own cause and his own terms. ceaser? no, because he was a soldier in an army, simply in the position of command. he picked his own battles and terms, kind-of. he had a empire to be accountable for, though, so it was really just a business venture... the Mujahideen, the taliban? they're just soldiers. the Ronin? maybe. but that was a different time, and they were viewed as scoundrels anyways. the musketeers? Athos, porthos, aramis, D'artagnon? maybe! but since Dumas was not promoted to god upon death, and buckingham doesn't care about the queen anymore, i'm just shit out of luck there....

i'll reiterate. a army, is a warrior. a massive warrior composed of thousands upon thousands of bodies - like zerglings, indeed! all those hydralisks were actually just extensions of the cerebrate. all those space marines were just extensions of Terran Command Chief of Operations. but that doesn't change the fact that the soldier is a professional that does exciting work, and the reason, the circumstances, the whos and whats and whys don't matter - nothing exists during the moment of combat except what you are doing, which is fighting as a team. have you ever commanded a group of people, and had them execute your thoughts and intents with skill and precision? seen them move as parts of your own body, in coordination and synchrony? let me tell you, it's one of the most exhilarating things you can experience, as far as i'm concerned. like chess pieces on a board? well i fucking LOVE chess. and it's played at every level; a private plays chess between himself and the shooter behind that wall; a corporal plays chess between his squad and that barricaded house; a lieutenant plays chess between his company and an enemy concentration in the district immediately west of his position.

and if you don't like thrill, then, that's just a basic difference. it feels to me like the difference between life and death, waking and sleeping... i want it. i want it enough to risk death and dismemberment, because there is a lifetime worth of living packed into five minutes of people shooting at you, more then a year passed by in a blur while working in a bakery. it's worth it to me.


Your fatalism is incomprehensible to me. Also, "the finger questions the hand"? You'd like to be a tool, in other words? What if said hand is attached to a dipshit who isn't following safety procedures, and the finger is about to be lost in a deli slicer? Can you live with having committed another's mistakes?

what fatalism? i might be a fatality but its a lust to live and be and do that drives me, and be damned of the consequences! i intend to be alive because the worst life can do is kill me! and if i don't live it's already done that! i don't care if the hand is some dipshits hand, i don't care what the arm and body is doing. i want to be told, your squad needs to clear that house, and then apply myself to the problem, command my men, formulate a plan, and execute it flawlessly, and put myself to the steel with another man - and come out the winner! there is no greater joy then to set another before you, i learned that while i learned to fight though experience, and in wrestling, and there is no better game then lethal combat, because it has the highest stakes and least rules.

So you honestly WANT to be told what to do and how to do it? And you're okay with being just another casualty?

You want to escape critical thinking?


why not be told what to do and how to do it? i don't believe in the phenomenon known as 'free will' in any case, and so the real consideration there is 'comfort'; and i could care less about comfort. i slept for a year on a muddy basement floor in freezing temperatures, covering myself in piles of dirty clothing to try and keep warm, with a plastic shopping bag full of dryer lint as a pillow. i am completely inured to discomfort.

just another casualty...? what the fuck do you think you are when you get heart disease from a toxic enviroment and die? what the fuck do you think you are when your ticker just plain stops ticking cause your telomere alarm clock just went off? or when you get t boned by a drunk driver, or slip after taking a shower and crack your skull on the toilet, or fall into an open manhole and get eaten by a ten foot tall sewer rat? all of a sudden, vaporized by a roadside bomb seems fairly matter of course to me, and dying in a pitched firefight sounds friggin wonderful. hell, if the army can't give it to me, i'm sure the police can when i'm 60 or so and done with life.

escape critical thinking? about what? i don't care what they tell me to do or why we're doing it. you think i wouldn't see how fucked it was if they invaded some nation for stupid reasons? but i wouldn't care. it'd be just another job to me. thinking critically, fuck, i do too much of that. i'm trying to cut down, because i've learned that it's only something you should do when it's immediately relevant to your interests. let me tell you: i've done more then my share of questioning. far more then my share. and i have found that in the end it is no better then blithe acceptance.

meaningless! meaningless! cries the teacher, everything is meaningless, a chasing after the wind! the sun rises and sets and will merely do so again. the wind blows east and west and only returns to do so again. what is a mans reward for his toils on his earth? he sows and reaps, and he dies and another takes what he has created. i have heard it said that wisdom is better then folly, but i saw that the same fate overtakes both the fool and the wise man - what then has his wisdom gained him but sorrow? for with much learning comes much sadness. i have tasted of the fruits of the garden of pleasure and the poisons of misery and hateful discontentment. but this too is meaningless; a chasing after the wind.

i intend to take my share of life in as many different ways, shapes and forms as possible, because i have had my fill of dreams, religion, philosophy, and ideals. i started reading at scarcely two years of age and did nothing else for fifteen years, and have since exhausted nearly every possible subject that one could learn or wonder or read about, with the exception of technical skillsets. which are what i read now. and all i have found to be of true value of all that, of a value to be retained forever, is the wonder and awe at finding myself, in each moment, in a strange and unexpected journey between a dim and unreal past and a unpredictable and undecided future. so i want to do and become. being a soldier will provide me with some of the richest and most intense experiences possible for a human being, more powerful feelings and emotions then i've ever felt before except perhaps in mystic trances. like i said, i'm not blind, i know everything you could tell me about what a soldier is. i'm faintly amused at people saying things like 'escape critical thinking', because i see them where i was once, enamored of things like that and full of conviction about them... escape critical thinking. i tried, but the best i could manage was a truce with it that those thoughts could still be in my head, but i still get to do whatever it is i want to do anyways, because when you look at ANYTHING closely enough, you will find there is not a single thing - not a single thing at all, no idea or ideal or moral or belief - that will not fall beneath the critical faculty, except sensation and life, because everything besides that is just in your head. the critical faculty became so overwhelmingly powerful in me that it destroyed everything in terms of beliefs or truths for me. nothing to stand on. then i realized i didn't need anything to stand on, i didn't need a fragile mask of ego or self to rely on as a guide, because i am truly just a point of consciousness in contact with experience. varied, interesting, intense, experiences, the chance to apply myself in new and fascinating ways, to understand by means of wonderful geometries, that is what i want and will have.


TL;DR: i have my reasons. i'm sure you have yours.

[Wayland]

WALL OF TEXT OMFG

Salutations! You are formidably mad as a fucking hatter. This is pretty fuckwin. You should get yourself some spiral-bound notebooks and start writing a manifesto, impress some chicks in the psych ward with it later.
what fatalism? i might be a fatality but its a lust to live and be and do that drives me, and be damned of the consequences! i intend to be alive because the worst life can do is kill me! and if i don't live it's already done that! i don't care if the hand is some dipshits hand, i don't care what the arm and body is doing. i want to be told, your squad needs to clear that house, and then apply myself to the problem, command my men, formulate a plan, and execute it flawlessly, and put myself to the steel with another man - and come out the winner! there is no greater joy then to set another before you, i learned that while i learned to fight though experience, and in wrestling, and there is no better game then lethal combat, because it has the highest stakes and least rules.
This is some Fight Club shit right here. "Sir?"
just another casualty...? what the fuck do you think you are when you get heart disease from a toxic enviroment and die? what the fuck do you think you are when your ticker just plain stops ticking cause your telomere alarm clock just went off? or when you get t boned by a drunk driver, or slip after taking a shower and crack your skull on the toilet, or fall into an open manhole and get eaten by a ten foot tall sewer rat? all of a sudden, vaporized by a roadside bomb seems fairly matter of course to me, and dying in a pitched firefight sounds friggin wonderful. hell, if the army can't give it to me, i'm sure the police can when i'm 60 or so and done with life.
Whoa, now here's a good tangent to go on. Are you a deathist? Do you believe that any kind of death is desirable, or is a duty (e.g. evolutionary/biological/personal duty to die)?
FYI, I'm a militant transhuman extremist, though I tend to keep that to myself. How militant? Militant enough to fatally curbstomp a deathist supremacist (deathist supremacist: someone who actively opposes/campaigns against engineered senescence research, etc).

[RoundElephant]

Abrazaderas:
You've felt claustrophobic in your own head before haven't you?

One of the books you read hasn't happened to be The Things They Carried has it?

[Abrazaderas]

Salutations! You are formidably mad as a fucking hatter. This is pretty fuckwin. You should get yourself some spiral-bound notebooks and start writing a manifesto, impress some chicks in the psych ward with it later.

:laugh2:

i've already got the notebooks. you should read my epic poem, "The Dreadful Machinery". but my friend just got out of the psych ward, and the chick he got there was bullshit anyways... she was... well... crazy. go figure. i'm really very stable though, as a person, very calm, gentle, kind, amiable. everybody likes me, i get along with everyone. i've never confided most of this shit to anyone except my friend, and he wound up in the psych ward shouting about aleister crowley and numerology. and i kept telling him all that stuff was bullshit too, he still had a nervous breakdown. and i didn't even tell him everything.

but i'm not insane, yet, but when i do go insane, i'll be the next jesus probably. i hope so. when i get this feeling inside of me and i let it take me away... and i start talking and gesturing without really knowing what i'm doing, like it's all automatic... i can hypnotize groups of people, like hitler, i can make them shut up and really listen and they get this spinning look in their eyes and they're real quiet. even after i stop talking they keep waiting for me to say something else. and i know from extensive research that that is what cult leaders are able to do, and i know that it is madness that makes men like moses and hitler and jesus and gandhi and so on command people. madness fascinates and overwhelms with confidence and energy. i've even wrote out a bibliography on madness somewhere, since i know logically it's something that i am most likely going to experience at some point. if you read the complete works of william blake about ten times straight through during a period of misery, and memorize enough of it to recite for half an hour, and try to figure out what all his epic poems really mean, there will be effects.

(you think i'm fun now. but you should catch me when i'm on psychedelics.)


This is some Fight Club shit right here. "Sir?"

that movie had a lasting effect on me.


Whoa, now here's a good tangent to go on. Are you a deathist? Do you believe that any kind of death is desirable, or is a duty (e.g. evolutionary/biological/personal duty to die)?
FYI, I'm a militant transhuman extremist, though I tend to keep that to myself. How militant? Militant enough to fatally curbstomp a deathist supremacist (deathist supremacist: someone who actively opposes/campaigns against engineered senescence research, etc).

a deathist... i never heard the term before. but i don't think death is desirable, far from it, i wish reincarnation was a fact. i don't think it's a duty because if it can be avoided i generally would do so unless not doing so would make the rest of my life not worth living anyways. i think death is merely a necessity. and since there are no consequences once it's happened and most men go to the grave weeping on their knees, and since it is the most frightening thing, i think it is best to go to dust snarling and spitting, full of hell and courage, and i can't think of a better way to die then in the throes of full-blown battle-madness, simply because nothing could hurt or scare you in that state.

a militant transhuman extremist... so do you mean you think the most important thing is guiding humanity towards our next evolutionary phase? towards something which is only vaguely or not human?

a deathist supremacist... someone who is opposed to engineered senescence research... by 'engineered senescence research', do you mean research designed to change aging, to accelerate, alter, decelerate or prevent it?

i would love to live for many thousands of years. but i think it's probable i won't.

[Abrazaderas]

Abrazaderas:
You've felt claustrophobic in your own head before haven't you?

yeah.


One of the books you read hasn't happened to be The Things They Carried has it?

i have read that. it must have been in late middle school... it was a while ago. i liked it alot.

[Wayland]

I'll kindly add that I too have read The Things They Carried as assigned to in school, and made the observation that it was a load of peacenik ennui-inducing (and occasionally helpless misery-inducing) tripe.

[Abrazaderas]

it made me want to go to vietnam and shoot gooks.

[Tarnak]

Nice fucking post and respect for your philosophy (s) Ab.

[Mauser]

In the military realistically you'll learn tactics and skills with weapons normal people and even cops won't usually know. So hypothetical you could have an AK-47 and body armor and shoot it out with the cops and take like 20 of them with you. I think like five marines could take on 100 cops and almost win.

Cause the ambush and room entry tactics are more advanced than cops are use to receiving most of the time they use overwhelming force like fifty guys tackle one guy and act like it was a dangerous situation. Like look at the north hollywood shootout from the 90s lets say those guys were trained marines instead of two assholes. The cops would have gotten ran through. So if for anything you could at least stand toe to toe with the cops in the sense that its like I can kill these motherfuckers. Cause seriously what the hell is a cop gonna do vs a marine whos fought against the taliban in afghanistan? Nothing at all. Cause cops are punk coward faggots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7zoWcPeRmQ

This is Gangland and it shows small clips in which a gang member solo and a former marine wounds like two cops and kills one execution style through better weaponry and tactical maneuvering on his part. If you think about it theoretically military training would be good if your forsee yourself fighting against cops or do dangerous work or just wanna join the military so you could be a marine and wear the uniform and hey thats cool to.

[Abrazaderas]

Nice fucking post and respect for your philosophy (s) Ab.

why thank you.


Re: Using the Military for training
In the military realistically you'll learn tactics and skills with weapons normal people and even cops won't usually know. So hypothetical you could have an AK-47 and body armor and shoot it out with the cops and take like 20 of them with you. I think like five marines could take on 100 cops and almost win.

oh, shit, i've always thought that. if i ever need to, i plan on ex-fucking-terminating them. there aren't really any limits to human skill, and if i applied myself to drill shooting, you know, set up 20 cans and pop them all within 4 seconds with a semi-auto... well that's not any different then making 20 chest cavities in 4 seconds. (i'm getting a .22 soon, and i'm going to practice until i can shoot SKEET with it.)

[Wayland]

In the military realistically you'll learn tactics and skills with weapons normal people and even cops won't usually know. So hypothetical you could have an AK-47 and body armor and shoot it out with the cops and take like 20 of them with you. I think like five marines could take on 100 cops and almost win.

Cause the ambush and room entry tactics are more advanced than cops are use to receiving most of the time they use overwhelming force like fifty guys tackle one guy and act like it was a dangerous situation. Like look at the north hollywood shootout from the 90s lets say those guys were trained marines instead of two assholes. The cops would have gotten ran through. So if for anything you could at least stand toe to toe with the cops in the sense that its like I can kill these motherfuckers. Cause seriously what the hell is a cop gonna do vs a marine whos fought against the taliban in afghanistan? Nothing at all. Cause cops are punk coward faggots.
Don't underestimate Smokey. He'll surprise you. He'll surprise you like you wouldn't believe.

Oh, and just as an aside: if your weapon/armor/LBE are not fully concealable, they're useless for 99% of all (sane) endeavors.
oh, shit, i've always thought that. if i ever need to, i plan on ex-fucking-terminating them. there aren't really any limits to human skill, and if i applied myself to drill shooting, you know, set up 20 cans and pop them all within 4 seconds with a semi-auto... well that's not any different then making 20 chest cavities in 4 seconds. (i'm getting a .22 soon, and i'm going to practice until i can shoot SKEET with it.)
I think you'll find that the skillset overlap between being a good soldier and a good criminal can be learned through playing by ear in five minutes. That is to say, it's pretty effing slim. The best criminals don't fire their weapons. Some don't even have weapons.

[Æhµ]

The level of discourse on this site it pretty fun at times, I have to admit.

[Abrazaderas]

I think you'll find that the skillset overlap between being a good soldier and a good criminal can be learned through playing by ear in five minutes. That is to say, it's pretty effing slim. The best criminals don't fire their weapons. Some don't even have weapons.

i think that's probably fairly correct. but see, i want to specifically be the criminal that fires his weapon all the time.

The level of discourse on this site it pretty fun at times, I have to admit.

ain't it? i like this place. it's better then even the old totse at times. maybe not the old old totse. but i wasn't there for that.

[Wayland]

i think that's probably fairly correct. but see, i want to specifically be the criminal that fires his weapon all the time.
That's called a terrorist. You want to be a terrorist, Abra.

Why are you such an Operator?

[True Sounds]

"I hate The Army and I hate The RAF/USAF ! I won;'t open a letter bomb for you!" The clash motherfuckers!

[Abrazaderas]

That's called a terrorist. You want to be a terrorist, Abra.

Why are you such an Operator?

i guess i was raised that way. i meant including being a soldier as a criminal as well, though. a soldier is just a criminal sanctioned by the government for business reasons. we're humans... we fight. it's a part of who we are. which means some of us will happen to enjoy fighting. nature is cruel as well as beautiful.

i would define a terrorist as specifically a soldier that commits acts of violence upon a civilian population in order to make them submissive and afraid towards a certain group. i don't plan on car bombing cafes or sending boys with bombs in their lunchboxes to blast pedestrians, so by my definition i wouldn't be a terrorist. that'd be no fun anyways.

[Saturday]

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

I know, very cliche, but it is true. Terrorists are often just the underdog with limited resources.

The United States became what it is using many of the same guerilla/subversive tactics that we apply to terrorists.

I'm not trying to be a contrarian, but while terrorists may purposefully target civilians, the big "non-terrorist" powers still take the cake by far when it comes to taking out unnarmed, otherwise innocent people. These terrorists would gladly use drones and take aim at the Pentagon or military targets if they had the money. It's that simple.

[Tarnak]

^^
Oh, I forgot about the part where Americans were suicide bombing london for freedom

[Mauser]

Terrorists come and go but mainly they are extreme in their beliefs and don't really have a life besides being an extreme ideologue follower. Even with Nazism, Communism, Christianity, Whatever ETC....

[Saturday]

^^
Oh, I forgot about the part where Americans were suicide bombing london for freedom

They weren't suicide bombing, they bombed civilians and made counterfeit money, which are both things that are currently done by "terrorists." The Japanese suicide bombed American targets and are not called terrorists, so clearly you have the criteria off.

[madscientist]

How about "Shock and awe"... that one was, overtly in name, out to terrify the populace into submission by blowing up shit with bombs more massive than any terrorist has ever used.