who has a better chance of getting into so called "heaven"

[7eleven mafia]

im in the pursuit of trying to find out who would actually have a better chance of getting into heaven a catholic or a protestant or are they all equal, i only ask this because catholics believe that they were handed down the right to create a church and protestants are just followers of christ.

i would like peoples in puts and not finatics.

[crazy white guy]

whoever has the most lenient religion would get them into heaven easiest. because then they wouldn't have to do as much to get in.

[odin_dax]

whoever has the most lenient religion would get them into heaven easiest. because then they wouldn't have to do as much to get in.

LOL!

[vengence]

Catholics were called christians until the council of nicea weren't they?

[RoundElephant]

Catholics were called christians until the council of nicea weren't they?

I hate the idea most people have in America that catholics are not Christians. Catholics, Protestants, Mormons etc. ARE ALL CHRISTIANS.

[Th0r]

whoever has the most lenient religion would get them into heaven easiest. because then they wouldn't have to do as much to get in.

It would get them into a 'Paradise' as such. Heaven is a Christian idea. Muslims and other religions have something different...

[Darkhunter]

Haven't you heard? The only true religion is Mormon.

*Waits for people to know what I'm talking about*

[RoundElephant]

Haven't you heard? The only true religion is Mormon.

*Waits for people to know what I'm talking about*

Soth Park God, "I'm sorry the correct religion was Mormon, yes Mormon."

[OsirisGuy429]

It doesn't matter since there is no Heaven. The idea of Hell is also a Christian ideology. An old friend of mine put it best "How can I go somewhere I don't believe in?" referring to Hell.

Christianity is the overall bracket for the religion where it continues to split, in no particular order, into Protestant, Roman Catholicism, Mormonism, Greek Orthodox, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran.

However according to recent Roman Catholicism teachings Hitler had a very good chance of getting into Heaven.

AlsoChristians 33.32% (of which Roman Catholics 16.99%, Protestants 5.78%, Orthodox 3.53%, Anglicans 1.25%), Muslims 21.01%, Hindus 13.26%, Buddhists 5.84%, Sikhs 0.35%, Jews 0.23%, Baha'is 0.12%, other religions 11.78%, non-religious 11.77%, atheists 2.32% (2007 est.)

-CIA World Factbook

[odin_dax]

Mormons are Christians? Really? Where's the reference to the planet Kolob (sp?) in the Bible?

Continue hating... Catholics and Protestants aren't the same, so why group them as one? Yes, under the largest umbrella they both believe in Jesus as Savior. After that...

[OsirisGuy429]

Well I'm sure you know that the Book of Latter Day Saints was written by the cults.. errr.. religion's founding father Joseph Smith 1750 years after the Bible. Even between Christian sects, they have different understandings of the Bible. Also there are hundreds of versions of the Bible. One man's Heaven is another man's Kolob.

The book is "apparently" another book about Jesus Christ, and the religion is specified as a Church of Jesus Christ. That's what Christianity is, belief in Jesus Christ, hence the Christianity part.

As for comparison between R.C. and Protestants, you are right, their beliefs aren't the same. However Protestantism came about when beliefs differed and broke off from the R.C. Church, just as Greek Orthodox did. And because they both believe in Jesus certainly well allows me to group them together.

Hell if you believe Jesus Christ was the form of the Flying Spaghetti Monster then Pastafarinism would be a form of Christianity.

[odin_dax]

Well I'm sure you know that the Book of Latter Day Saints was written by the cults.. errr.. religion's founding father Joseph Smith 1750 years after the Bible. Even between Christian sects, they have different understandings of the Bible. Also there are hundreds of versions of the Bible. One man's Heaven is another man's Kolob.

The book is "apparently" another book about Jesus Christ, and the religion is specified as a Church of Jesus Christ. That's what Christianity is, belief in Jesus Christ, hence the Christianity part.

As for comparison between R.C. and Protestants, you are right, their beliefs aren't the same. However Protestantism came about when beliefs differed and broke off from the R.C. Church, just as Greek Orthodox did. And because they both believe in Jesus certainly well allows me to group them together.

Hell if you believe Jesus Christ was the form of the Flying Spaghetti Monster then Pastafarinism would be a form of Christianity.

There goes that flying spaghetti argument again.... Everytime... It's the most irrelevant argument.

As for the Bible, I don't honesty know if there's more than two, Catholic and Protestant. There are hundreds of translations though, which is an entirely different discussion.

One can argue that it's the Protestants that returned to the original teachings after the Catholic Church corrupted the original teachings, but again....

Yes, you are techinically right about the definition, but every text or reference divides Christianity into two sub groups, Catholic and Protestant (which then branches downward). There are great fundamental differences between C and P, so much so that it's more fitting to refer to them separately when talking about Christianity in general.

[RoundElephant]

There goes that flying spaghetti argument again.... Everytime... It's the most irrelevant argument.

As for the Bible, I don't honesty know if there's more than two, Catholic and Protestant. There are hundreds of translations though, which is an entirely different discussion.

One can argue that it's the Protestants that returned to the original teachings after the Catholic Church corrupted the original teachings, but again....

Yes, you are techinically right about the definition, but every text or reference divides Christianity into two sub groups, Catholic and Protestant (which then branches downward). There are great fundamental differences between C and P, so much so that it's more fitting to refer to them separately when talking about Christianity in general.

Catholics and Protestants have the exact same bible.

[UKSWAT]

The book is "apparently" another book about Jesus Christ, and the religion is specified as a Church of Jesus Christ. That's what Christianity is, belief in Jesus Christ, hence the Christianity part.


Don't be a moron, Christianity is the belief and following of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, as Jesus never said he was created by the Pastafarian deity then what you said is false.

It doesn't matter since there is no Heaven.

Yeah, because your opinion is universally correct. Lets dedicate our beliefs to a human who hasn't even experienced half his life yet.

Catholics and Protestants have the exact same bible.

Correct, it's just that Protestants read and interpret the Bible differently to Christians. That and a few other fundamental beliefs to do with liturgical worship.

[odin_dax]

I was under the impression that the Catholics added the Apocrypha to official canon.

[Nocturnal]

Not to dig up an old thread, but this is a simple question to answer. Whoever is right will go to heaven. If no religion is right, if no heaven exists, no one will go.

Asking who has the best chance at getting in assumes that differing religions can coexist. If one group says being sprinkled with water as a baby gets you to heaven, another says faith in Christ gets you to heaven, a third says blowing yourself up for the glory of Allah gets you to heaven, and another says eating a lot of pepperoni will get you to heaven, the people in whichever religion is right will have the best chance of going there.

If I have to blow myself up for to get to heaven, eating a lot of pepperoni first won't help me. Being baptised as a baby won't help me. If faith in Christ will get me to heaven, nothing else will help me.

About Catholics and Protestants specifically, Protestant religions (Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian) split off from the Catholic church because of disagreements over doctrine. The name (Protest)ant bears referrence to this fact.

The Bible at the time was written in Latin. The common people couldn't read, and didn't even speak Latin. The Catholic priests would read from the Bible in Latin, then tell the people what it said. Since the people couldn't understand what was being read, the priests could tell them anything they wanted to.

The Protestant religions primarily disagreed with the power the priests assumed when they essentially took the role of God in peoples' lives. They thought the Bible should be accessible to everyone. They believed that people had a right to communicate directly with God, rather than paying a priest to do it for them.

The Catholic doctrine has changed quite a bit over time. For example, Catholics haven't been waging holy war in the Middle East lately. A year or two ago, the pope decided that he didn't like purgatory and said it doesn't exist any more. The religion has adapted to fit what people want, but the claims of infallibilty are still there. You'll still find the pope taking the place of God.

My personal view of most religion is that it's about power and money. Whether it was originally right to begin with, or at least started with good intentions has become a mute point through corruption and misinterpretation.

With any religion, I would ask them to show me why they believe what they do. If they can't do that satisfactorily, I would disregard them as a legitimate group. If they can, they're either real, or else somebody did a very convincing job of creating a religion.

What it all boils down to is whoever accurately follows whatever religion(s) is/are right will go to heaven. Anybody who doesn't, won't.

[odin_dax]

Not to dig up an old thread, but this is a simple question to answer. Whoever is right will go to heaven. If no religion is right, if no heaven exists, no one will go.

Asking who has the best chance at getting in assumes that differing religions can coexist. If one group says being sprinkled with water as a baby gets you to heaven, another says faith in Christ gets you to heaven, a third says blowing yourself up for the glory of Allah gets you to heaven, and another says eating a lot of pepperoni will get you to heaven, the people in whichever religion is right will have the best chance of going there.

If I have to blow myself up for to get to heaven, eating a lot of pepperoni first won't help me. Being baptised as a baby won't help me. If faith in Christ will get me to heaven, nothing else will help me.

About Catholics and Protestants specifically, Protestant religions (Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian) split off from the Catholic church because of disagreements over doctrine. The name (Protest)ant bears referrence to this fact.

The Bible at the time was written in Latin. The common people couldn't read, and didn't even speak Latin. The Catholic priests would read from the Bible in Latin, then tell the people what it said. Since the people couldn't understand what was being read, the priests could tell them anything they wanted to.

The Protestant religions primarily disagreed with the power the priests assumed when they essentially took the role of God in peoples' lives. They thought the Bible should be accessible to everyone. They believed that people had a right to communicate directly with God, rather than paying a priest to do it for them.

The Catholic doctrine has changed quite a bit over time. For example, Catholics haven't been waging holy war in the Middle East lately. A year or two ago, the pope decided that he didn't like purgatory and said it doesn't exist any more. The religion has adapted to fit what people want, but the claims of infallibilty are still there. You'll still find the pope taking the place of God.

My personal view of most religion is that it's about power and money. Whether it was originally right to begin with, or at least started with good intentions has become a mute point through corruption and misinterpretation.

With any religion, I would ask them to show me why they believe what they do. If they can't do that satisfactorily, I would disregard them as a legitimate group. If they can, they're either real, or else somebody did a very convincing job of creating a religion.

What it all boils down to is whoever accurately follows whatever religion(s) is/are right will go to heaven. Anybody who doesn't, won't.

Can't think of it that way. Anyone can use religion to create control. Look at the Muslims, look at Christians during the Dark Ages. The accuracy of the Bible over the centuries has been proven by the Dead Sea Scrolls. Christianity isn't about "being right." It's about faith. It's about following God our Father. It's about unconditioned love. Jesus existed for our sake, faith in Him to wash our sins away. It's about the heart, not jumping through hoops. For a Christian, it's deeper than that, but that gives you the idea. God could have created us to "forcefully" love and worship, but He doesn't want that from us. Such is worthless. The wisdom contained in the Bible is for our benefit, but to do them all doesn't guarantee going to Heaven anymore than doing none of them guarantees a person goes to Hell. It's not our call.

[Mr.A]

Not to dig up an old thread, but this is a simple question to answer. Whoever is right will go to heaven. If no religion is right, if no heaven exists, no one will go.

^This, best answer thus far IMO. This thread looked like it got way off track. Glad to help!:thinkerg:

[MrMinister]

I think either all of us are going or none of us.

[DangerousLuck]

In a nutshell, most Protestant religions believe in "through grace alone" and such, which means to go to Heaven they must simply accept that Christ is their Lord and Savior and the living representation of God.

Catholics must have priests at their deathbed or risk going to Purgatory or worse, Hell if they have committed mortal sins recently.

So it's a lot easier for Protestants to go to Heaven, theoretically, because they have a one-time entrance fee whereas Catholics must "renew" their passes.

[Mr.A]

In a nutshell, most Protestant religions believe in "through grace alone" and such, which means to go to Heaven they must simply accept that Christ is their Lord and Savior and the living representation of God.

Catholics must have priests at their deathbed or risk going to Purgatory or worse, Hell if they have committed mortal sins recently.

So it's a lot easier for Protestants to go to Heaven, theoretically, because they have a one-time entrance fee whereas Catholics must "renew" their passes.

There is only one question that answers this for me. If there were a perfect religion in existence, wouldn't it already exist? And as I'm sure we are all aware of, a question isn't an answer...or is it? lol

[DangerousLuck]

Yeah, well, I'm only going off of their qualifications, their guidelines, not my own.

[savage_beauty]

Wasn't the protestant religion created by Henry the 8th so he could marry Anne Boylin? The only difference between the two religions is that Catholics prefer decorated churches where as protestants think that decoration distracts you from the lord. The Catholics also have a ruler of the faith (the pope) where as the protestants have no overall global leader. Basically the religions are the same and started from the same point. so they're should really be a difference.

[Th0r]

Wasn't the protestant religion created by Henry the 8th so he could marry Anne Boylin? The only difference between the two religions is that Catholics prefer decorated churches where as protestants think that decoration distracts you from the lord. The Catholics also have a ruler of the faith (the pope) where as the protestants have no overall global leader. Basically the religions are the same and started from the same point. so they're should really be a difference.

There are differences other than what you said between the two. That's fairly narrow minded historically.

[Mr.A]

I suppose the only ones getting into heaven are the ones who want to.

[savage_beauty]

Basically the religions are the same and started from the same point. so they're should really be a difference.

Sorry guys forgot to proof read.

I ment SHOULDN'T.

Damn it.

[odin_dax]

Wasn't the protestant religion created by Henry the 8th so he could marry Anne Boylin? The only difference between the two religions is that Catholics prefer decorated churches where as protestants think that decoration distracts you from the lord. The Catholics also have a ruler of the faith (the pope) where as the protestants have no overall global leader. Basically the religions are the same and started from the same point. so they're should really be a difference.

No, Protestants didn't come from Henry VIII.

No, there are many more differences between Catholics and Protestants than church decor or leader structure.

Protestant isn't a religion, it groups all reformist churches that separated from the Catholic corruption (that still exists). They are the same in the Bible only.

[7eleven mafia]

im sorry maybe i should have made this statement clearer when i created this thread, the reason i asked this question was because Catholics feel that they chosen by God to be the religion, but then when other people saw the flaws of the Catholic church they chose to make other forms of Christianity, Like Lutherans, created by Martin Luther, now the question is because Catholics feel that they were the chosen religion by God, do they think that they have a better chance of getting into heaven because they follow it or do they have the same chance because most not all Christians follow the bible and follow the word of God but they don't follow the first established religion by St.Peter i think it was

[Day_N_Night]

I think Catholics think their strain of Christainity is more in keeping with god otherwise they wouldn't follow it....So ya i guess Catholics feel like they were the chosen relegion by god.

[DangerousLuck]

Wasn't the protestant religion created by Henry the 8th so he could marry Anne Boylin? The only difference between the two religions is that Catholics prefer decorated churches where as protestants think that decoration distracts you from the lord. The Catholics also have a ruler of the faith (the pope) where as the protestants have no overall global leader. Basically the religions are the same and started from the same point. so they're should really be a difference.

Henry created the Anglican church because the Pope refused to annul his marriage. It is very similar to Catholicism. It's called the Episcopal Church in the United States.

Protestantism was created by a German monk by the name of Martin Luther who became disillusioned with Catholic practices becoming more and more esoteric and inaccessible to the commoner. He disagreed with there being someone in the way of a direct connection between worshiper and God. He fought against the corruption and persecution of "heretical" splinter groups only to turn around and do the same when he found power turning German states against the Catholics for obscure political reasons. Go figure.

There's many differences such as the seven sacraments of Catholicism vs two for most Protestant faiths. And of course the main difference is what I pointed out before; for a Protestant, one only has to affirm his or her personal beliefs once whereas Catholics are in danger of going to Hell at any moment if they have committed mortal sins without being absolved by a priest.

Also other stuff. :smokin:

[Day_N_Night]

Protestantism is also more of a socially liberall version of Catholicism.

[DangerousLuck]

Protestantism is also more of a socially liberall version of Catholicism.

Baptists ftw

[Day_N_Night]

I forgot to mention that it is usually more liberal than Catholicism from my own experiences.

[.VX]

No, Protestants didn't come from Henry VIII.

No, there are many more differences between Catholics and Protestants than church decor or leader structure.

Protestant isn't a religion, it groups all reformist churches that separated from the Catholic corruption (that still exists). They are the same in the Bible only.

You're back ...?

[odin_dax]

You're back ...?

I didn't go anywhere, except on a 6-week vacation. :biglaugh:

[.VX]

Oh, ok. Cool.

And now back to the topic ...

[Twist]

whoever has the most lenient religion would get them into heaven easiest. because then they wouldn't have to do as much to get in.

Brilliant, I think the most likely people to get in to heaven are those who create it for themselves here on earth. Why do we obsess about what we don't know exists when we should be focusing on how to make life as enjoyable as possible? Either way you will eventually find out by means of death. If there was a "correct" religion that was the "right thing" We would know about it and there would be no confusion, god would tell us. Why should we take the word of another mere mortal such as ourselves to define the universe and all things right and wrong. If you can't figure it out, then neither can John Smith so why let him fool you so easily? John smith can be replaced with anybody relative to this discussion Pope, Reverand, Father, Anti-Christ, or even Jesus Christ.

[odin_dax]

Well, if we have to use a measuring stick, I would say the Catholics are the most wrong.

That said, it isn't the religion, but the hearts and minds of God's followers, whichever religion or spiritual path they follow.

[jdcpe17]

whoever has the most lenient religion would get them into heaven easiest. because then they wouldn't have to do as much to get in.

maybe this would attract a larger percentage of slackers who wouldnt get into heaven.... so percentage-wise. .... :booty:

[thief]

They are all like rivers with different names, but in the end they all return to the ocean.