Soon To Be Ex-President Bush

[crazy white guy]

what do you think about him?

I disagree with everything he does and says but theres this nagging bitchtwitch in the back of my head that says this: Bush is a smart man, but he has no political experience apart from being a state senator (Texas I believe.) And he doesn't give a flying fuck in space about the country that he leads and is only in office because his dad pulled strings so that he could preform semi-legal business deals with oil giants. It seems like a more simple explanation that the possibility of him being a retard

[RoundElephant]

I disagree, I think he is a retard well trained in the art of being a politician. He has no idea what's going on without his advisors.

[Th0r]

Not being an American I can't really make a fair take on Bush's Presidency.

In the state of the Economy Bush in recent years has failed to keep it up.

The war in Iraq has been a disaster. The American lead Coalition removed and executed the only man who has been able to keep the country under control...

It's going to be a slow ride back to a stable Iraq.

so that he could preform semi-legal business deals with oil giants.

Oh and before we go on about Oil and Iraq, Iraq has actually continued to honour the Pre-War Oil Contracts, Odin_Dax informed us in one of his posts.

If that is true, which I believe it to be it means Bush is a complete idiot. He could completely change Oil Prices and bring them down to a sensible level.

I also think Bush in that respect is not as greedy as people portray him to be.

Although I personally cannot see any legitimate and worthy reason for the invasion of Iraq. And in terms of American Civil Liberties.... Woah... Where have they gone?

[davey_crockshit]

And in terms of American Civil Liberties.... Woah... Where have they gone?

yup. did such an effective job of that you'd almost think it was planned.


may the door not hit him in the ass on the way out and may his replacement be very very different.

[RoundElephant]

I'm rooting for Obama, how about you guys.

[Th0r]

McCain. I think Obama is fairly inexpierienced, and I sense he'll get himself shot...

[RoundElephant]

Yah, I'm surprised more presidents aren't assassinated. It seems like If I was suicidal I would want to go out witha bang like that, but I'm not suicidal.

[Th0r]

Most Presidents have assasination attempts made on their lives but very few are sucessfully Assasinated. I think to date, only three or four American Presidents have been successfully assasinated, but the attempts on other Presidents stands at a high number...

Plus America just isn't ready for an African-American President. Maybe the day when the KKK die out then America will be ready.

[RoundElephant]

If he does get assassinated there will be a large number of riots, I would join i too at an attempt to get free goods, and to vent the rage I'd be feeling.

[Th0r]

Wasn't the case with Kennedy. America and the rest of the World went into a mourning meltdown...

Mind you Elephant, if people who feel so strongly about the whole African-American thing and are prepared to cause mass riots in Los Angeles over a guy getting beaten up by Cops, what the hell will they do when the most important African American since Martin 'Fraud' Luther King came along is gunned down...

Mind you I have never read about riots after MLK's assasination.

[RoundElephant]

Back in MLK's day blacks were into peaceful protest. This is no longer the case as demonstrated by the black panthers, crips, bloods, and LA riots.

[davey_crockshit]

the black panthers were around more or less at the same time. late 60's, early 70's

whatever else mlk was, he was the catalyst for a lot of much needed change.

there were riots in many cities when king got shot.

[Th0r]

there were riots in many cities when king got shot.

And who can really blame them?

Their almost 'spiritual leader' shot probably by the FBI/CIA on orders most likely from Lyndon Johnson. I'll believe the lone gunmen theory in the assasination of John Kennedy but Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King...

I just find that hard to believe.

[M_Rommel]

Plus America just isn't ready for an African-American President. Maybe the day when the KKK die out then America will be ready.


I think that the backlash against Bush (and the Republican party) will be enough to put Obama in the White House.

That said, I hate Bush and pretty much all politicians. They'd be better off if they all had bullets in their heads.

[davey_crockshit]

the bush administration is like a mushroom. there's the part you see and then there is the much larger part underground you don't. you have to remember that a lot of the people associated with it are watergate people and iran-contra people. many of them were associated with the CIA. they did a lot of nasty things to people back in the 70's and 80's mostly in central and south america but other places too. it looks to me that they figure that the style of governance that worked for their "friends" down there would work for them up here and they have started a campaign to make that happen. right now, at least outwardly, they have had to follow that rule of law bullshit and that at least has slowed them down.

obama will probably win this fall, but unless there is a very widespread and systematic investigation of what these people have been doing followed by a great many jailings and firings, they will just pick up where they left off a few years down the road.

[nobody2000]

Lots of idiots in this thread:

1.) George Bush was GOVERNOR of Texas before he was elected president.
2.) He's smart. He wouldn't be able to get away with the shit he's done if he wasn't. He just has the inability to speak very well, so he comes off as dumb. He's smarter than you or I will ever be.
3.) Iraq is not the top exporter of oil to America. Prewar, or now. It's not. Also, oil prices in Iraq won't affect WORLD oil trading. That's based on speculaton and competition.
4.) I read the talk about the KKK in America. Is that really what people think America is about? When the KKK has a rally, 10 members get a permit to hold their rally, and they speak hate into a megaphone while another 10 people watch and laugh. The KKK is a moot point, and in no way defines America. They're certainly not killing any black people nowadays. (Now, go to some of these eastern European countries, even as far west as Germany and ask them what they think about the jews....then rethink if the KKK really is a big problem).
5.) The Martin Luther King Jr. talk in this thread is confusing. Dr. King has 2 assassination attempts made, one being successful. The first one was using a letter opener. He recovered from that. I highly doubt the CIA/FBI are using letter openers as assassination tools. Now, next King WAS assassinated at the end of the Johnson administration. This was obviously after "I have a dream." If you do even ONE MINUTE'S worth of research on Johnson, you'd know that his "Great Society" program was big on civil rights. Why kill the King of black civil rights? (Yes, maybe by killing him, he could make it look like we need to fight harder for civil rights...but Johnson didn't run again for president anyway...so what did he have to gain???)

[Th0r]

Lots of idiots in this thread:

1.) George Bush was GOVERNOR of Texas before he was elected president.
2.) He's smart. He wouldn't be able to get away with the shit he's done if he wasn't. He just has the inability to speak very well, so he comes off as dumb. He's smarter than you or I will ever be.
3.) Iraq is not the top exporter of oil to America. Prewar, or now. It's not. Also, oil prices in Iraq won't affect WORLD oil trading. That's based on speculaton and competition.
4.) I read the talk about the KKK in America. Is that really what people think America is about? When the KKK has a rally, 10 members get a permit to hold their rally, and they speak hate into a megaphone while another 10 people watch and laugh. The KKK is a moot point, and in no way defines America. They're certainly not killing any black people nowadays. (Now, go to some of these eastern European countries, even as far west as Germany and ask them what they think about the jews....then rethink if the KKK really is a big problem).
5.) The Martin Luther King Jr. talk in this thread is confusing. Dr. King has 2 assassination attempts made, one being successful. The first one was using a letter opener. He recovered from that. I highly doubt the CIA/FBI are using letter openers as assassination tools. Now, next King WAS assassinated at the end of the Johnson administration. This was obviously after "I have a dream." If you do even ONE MINUTE'S worth of research on Johnson, you'd know that his "Great Society" program was big on civil rights. Why kill the King of black civil rights? (Yes, maybe by killing him, he could make it look like we need to fight harder for civil rights...but Johnson didn't run again for president anyway...so what did he have to gain???)

Use paragraph breaks. Being borderline Dyslexic I find it fairly confusing having to sift through your post and break it up.

What is Bush's IQ? What is yours? I'll post mine and we can compare! And I do realise an IQ isn't that good of an example of intelligence but it can give a good idea of intelligence.

Let's move onto MLK's assassination. An insane Harlem resident with a letter opener is not a CIA or Fed Gov assassin. Neither is James Earl Ray, Kings supposed Assassin. What motive did he have? None.

The confession was beaten into him.

Who could have the perfect view point to kill King in Tn, the FBI who were 'protecting' him.

The disbandment of the Ku Klux Klan in America would not mean that racism would be wiped out, but it would represent 'Social Change' if you like...

You opened your post with the words there's a lot of idiots in this thread. There's only one idiot. And that is you.

[RoundElephant]

Lots of idiots in this thread:

1.) George Bush was GOVERNOR of Texas before he was elected president.
2.) He's smart. He wouldn't be able to get away with the shit he's done if he wasn't. He just has the inability to speak very well, so he comes off as dumb. He's smarter than you or I will ever be.
3.) Iraq is not the top exporter of oil to America. Prewar, or now. It's not. Also, oil prices in Iraq won't affect WORLD oil trading. That's based on speculaton and competition.
4.) I read the talk about the KKK in America. Is that really what people think America is about? When the KKK has a rally, 10 members get a permit to hold their rally, and they speak hate into a megaphone while another 10 people watch and laugh. The KKK is a moot point, and in no way defines America. They're certainly not killing any black people nowadays. (Now, go to some of these eastern European countries, even as far west as Germany and ask them what they think about the jews....then rethink if the KKK really is a big problem).
5.) The Martin Luther King Jr. talk in this thread is confusing. Dr. King has 2 assassination attempts made, one being successful. The first one was using a letter opener. He recovered from that. I highly doubt the CIA/FBI are using letter openers as assassination tools. Now, next King WAS assassinated at the end of the Johnson administration. This was obviously after "I have a dream." If you do even ONE MINUTE'S worth of research on Johnson, you'd know that his "Great Society" program was big on civil rights. Why kill the King of black civil rights? (Yes, maybe by killing him, he could make it look like we need to fight harder for civil rights...but Johnson didn't run again for president anyway...so what did he have to gain???)

Bush is not a genius nor even a Mensa. His IQ is 130. Speak for yourself, alot of people on this site have an IQ wel above that.

[Th0r]

Bush is not a genius nor even a Mensa. His IQ is 130. Speak for yourself, alot of people on this site have an IQ wel above that.

In 2006, a real historiometric study, published in the scientific journal Political Psychology, compared the estimated IQs of all US presidents since 1900. It rated G.W. Bush second to last, with an estimated IQ between 111.1 and 138.5, and an average of 124.8 (the standardized average is 100). According to the same study, the average estimated IQ of president Bill Clinton was 149.[10] In an interview, the study's director noted that "Bush may be 'much smarter' than the findings imply" but that he "scores particularly unimpressively for 'openness to experience, a cognitive proclivity that encompasses unusual receptiveness to fantasy, aesthetics, actions, ideas and values.'"

So it's estimated at 124...

[davey_crockshit]

i assure you that racism in the american south is quite prevalent. its all underground though. no one will admit it to you but its easy to see it if you watch what people say and do. no one will say theyre in the klan, but they will hint darkly about an uncle who is. its never about openly disliking black people but more like some "people should stick to their own kind" bullshit.

theyre just too chickenshit to admit it. that's one reason i dont live there anymore. not just assholes, but cowardly assholes. its not everybody, but there are sure a lot of people who are like that.

plus, its like ten million degrees in the summer and there are a lot of bugs.

[RoundElephant]

Yah, there are still ALOT of country clubs in the south that don't allow any minorities.

[odin_dax]

The Bush presidency wasn't the best, nor the worst. How different are our lives based on the much feared Patriot Act? Zero. Oil prices are not Bush's fault. It only takes a basic economics course to reach that conclusion. Regardless of his poor public speaking and handling of Iraq, he's done a lot of good things for this country. We never get to hear about those...

All the conspiracy, connected to CIA, etc. people can shove it. No basis whatsoever.

As for IQ talk, I wouldn't base any assumptions on Wikipedia there. It's not always accurate or unbias. And, no, most people here don't have an IQ of 130 or above. That's not only statistically impossible, but highly unlikely given the questions, activities and grasp of the English language (native speakers) by users on this board.

[TheKillingGame]

Fuck both of them. I'm for Obama but more for damage control than anything else. That isn't to say I don't think he could be a great president. It's more the issue that what we're needing in this country can't be accomplished by traditional means.

Ron Paul has the right idea and has my write in. It's not about getting elected, it's about getting people to realize our rights are non existent in todays world.



Please do something for me, read the following.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

All governments are corrupt to an extent, the only way they can go is down unless the people realize it's their duty to revolt and make things change. Even in that case all you get is a fresh start, things will get bad again in time.

I'm sick of seeing people who think patriotism is found in following your leaders regardless of how far down the shitter they take us. True patriots are the ones who are willing to criticize the current power, the ones who are willing to fight for their rights, and the people who actually respect what this country was founded on.

[odin_dax]

Fuck both of them. I'm for Obama but more for damage control than anything else. That isn't to say I don't think he could be a great president. It's more the issue that what we're needing in this country can't be accomplished by traditional means.

Ron Paul has the right idea and has my write in. It's not about getting elected, it's about getting people to realize our rights are non existent in todays world.



Please do something for me, read the following.



I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

All governments are corrupt to an extent, the only way they can go is down unless the people realize it's their duty to revolt and make things change. Even in that case all you get is a fresh start, things will get bad again in time.

I'm sick of seeing people who think patriotism is found in following your leaders regardless of how far down the shitter they take us. True patriots are the ones who are willing to criticize the current power, the ones who are willing to fight for their rights, and the people who actually respect what this country was founded on.

Ron Paul talks like that because he has no chance of being elected... To paraphrase South Park, elections will always be between a douche and a turd because those are the guys who suck up to the people the most to make it that far in politics.

I agree with you. We should never settle. We should criticize current powers, but when justified. It's one thing if there is a great ill caused by such power, and entirely another when someone just disagrees with politics. Patriotism isn't clearly definable because every moment in time, who comes out the victor and the cause defines the patriot.

[davey_crockshit]

How different are our lives based on the much feared Patriot Act? Zero.

true, but will it stay that way? ten years from now, maybe the answer will be different.

To paraphrase South Park, elections will always be between a douche and a turd because those are the guys who suck up to the people the most to make it that far in politics.

I believe the term used was "shit sandwich" and you raise a very good point. our system does not select for actual leaders, just suckups with good hair.

[odin_dax]

true, but will it stay that way? ten years from now, maybe the answer will be different.



I believe the term used was "shit sandwich" and you raise a very good point. our system does not select for actual leaders, just suckups with good hair.

Towards the end, Stan just says "turd." But it's "turd sandwich" not "shit sandwich" ;-)

[raiden654]

people hate him hes a bit on the loony side. makes poor decisions and cannot talk worth a dick. me and the presedent have a few things in common then.but hes a dip she who is driving this contry into shit. o well i hope obama wins the preidentsy(i am a piss pore speller)

[odin_dax]

people hate him hes a bit on the loony side. makes poor decisions and cannot talk worth a dick. me and the presedent have a few things in common then.but hes a dip she who is driving this contry into shit. o well i hope obama wins the preidentsy(i am a piss pore speller)

Sorry, I don't want Obama. No experience, socialist, raise taxes. He's been running a campaign that says he wants to pull out of Iraq. Truth is, most people don't care about that, and he admitted in a TV interview that he'll listen to the advice of the generals on the ground. Why doesn't everybody know this already?

Bush isn't looney. I don't know why anyone would say that. Is there a basis? Bush may not always be the best speaker, but he can do a pretty darn good job. Obama isn't the best speaker without a teleprompter.

As for Bush's decisions, well, what can we say? Most of his decisions when he first made them were loved. American politics is all about perspective. The economy can't fully be blamed on him, but he did a lot of good in that sector. Until the housing crisis, he was fine. The housing crisis wasn't his fault, but it happened under his presidency, so what that did to the economy is being blamed on him. Besides Iraq, what else can you really say about him?

He's certainly better than Carter.

[Antagonist]

You know what I think?

Bush is a fucking GENIOUS.

That motherfucker made such a mockery of the US. And no one stopped him...

No one said "fuck this, I'm gonna take on for the team" and assassinated him. Has there even been a single attempt?

Hes a complete comedian, he just wanted to be president to see how much shit he could get away with, which was A LOT if you ask me.

Shit, have you heard some of the stuff he has said? Fucking ridiculous, hes a goddamn child. He always gets so defensive, and defends his "right decisions" immediately putting in as much thought as he did when he actually made the decisions.

Seriously, think about it. Is this guy serious? I really think he just wanted to have some fun, theres no fucking way someone can seriously be THAT fucking dim.


But hey, I might be a lil biased right now, I was watching youtube videos earlier (sure some might have been edited, but he DOES say fucked up shit) and I just can't believe all the shit we let him get away with.

If you ask me though, I think it says a hell of a lot more about america, than him. The fact that we're so fucking couch-stoned we can't even get up to stop one of the most craziest nazi's since hitler.

Whats wrong with us? I'd like to think i woulda done something if given the chance, but I wasn't really positioned for it, and now that his reign of terror is almost over it'd be stilly for me to immediately flee to washington in an inane attempt to 'do something about it'


And odin are you fucking serious? Obama has more than enough experience. He has actually changed shit in the legislature. He got one law made where interrogations had to be video taped, because a lot of people we're getting the shit kicked out of them in order to get a confession.

Obama is a great speaker with or without a teleprompter, MUCH better than bush, to say the least. Hes a great communicator too, gets his message out.

But uhh...seriously, the only other choice is that old dude who's name I actually- oh shit its Mccain, nevermind.

That dudes had experience, and I don't really know or care what it is, but I've heard he's made mistakes in the past...

And are you effing kidding? Most people don't care about iraq? A lot of people are pretty pissed about it, its a billllllllion dollar waste, and our economy isn't doing too hot. If we pullout, thats gonna be a nice fat chunk of cash to use on OTHER shit we actually NEED.

[odin_dax]

You know what I think?

Bush is a fucking GENIOUS.

That motherfucker made such a mockery of the US. And no one stopped him...

No one said "fuck this, I'm gonna take on for the team" and assassinated him. Has there even been a single attempt?

Hes a complete comedian, he just wanted to be president to see how much shit he could get away with, which was A LOT if you ask me.

Shit, have you heard some of the stuff he has said? Fucking ridiculous, hes a goddamn child. He always gets so defensive, and defends his "right decisions" immediately putting in as much thought as he did when he actually made the decisions.

Seriously, think about it. Is this guy serious? I really think he just wanted to have some fun, theres no fucking way someone can seriously be THAT fucking dim.


But hey, I might be a lil biased right now, I was watching youtube videos earlier (sure some might have been edited, but he DOES say fucked up shit) and I just can't believe all the shit we let him get away with.

If you ask me though, I think it says a hell of a lot more about america, than him. The fact that we're so fucking couch-stoned we can't even get up to stop one of the most craziest nazi's since hitler.

Whats wrong with us? I'd like to think i woulda done something if given the chance, but I wasn't really positioned for it, and now that his reign of terror is almost over it'd be stilly for me to immediately flee to washington in an inane attempt to 'do something about it'


And odin are you fucking serious? Obama has more than enough experience. He has actually changed shit in the legislature. He got one law made where interrogations had to be video taped, because a lot of people we're getting the shit kicked out of them in order to get a confession.

Obama is a great speaker with or without a teleprompter, MUCH better than bush, to say the least. Hes a great communicator too, gets his message out.

But uhh...seriously, the only other choice is that old dude who's name I actually- oh shit its Mccain, nevermind.

That dudes had experience, and I don't really know or care what it is, but I've heard he's made mistakes in the past...

And are you effing kidding? Most people don't care about iraq? A lot of people are pretty pissed about it, its a billllllllion dollar waste, and our economy isn't doing too hot. If we pullout, thats gonna be a nice fat chunk of cash to use on OTHER shit we actually NEED.

Comparing anything America has done to Nazism is just ridiculous.

We'll agree to disagree about Bush's and Obama's speech giving skills.

No, Iraq isn't the greatest worry for Americans right now, it's the economy. Immigration, taxes and healthcare all rank highly. The issue of Iraq is complicated. It's an issue for some, but it's important for all because a lot of Americans want the war in Iraq to continue "as is" (used loosely) until we won, not on some time withdrawal.

Sorry, Obama doesn't have more than enough experience. He's been in the Senate three years, and most of his third was running for president! I couldn't find a reference for that law you said he made, can you provide it? Other than that, I've looked at his Senate record on Wikipedia. Not very impressive at all. In all, four of his bills were introduced and passed. Three of them were commemorative/celebratory observances, the fourth was a bill to condemn the violence in Zimbabwe. Wow, big impact there! "The US condemns you, Zimbabwe. We won't do anything else, but we condemn you! Eat it!"

I'm not thrilled about McCain, but he's the lesser of two evils. He's a military man, he lives on a border state, he's a man with many years of experience in the Senate alone - four terms! That's 24 years, buddy.

[Antagonist]

"No, Iraq isn't the greatest worry for Americans right now, it's the economy. Immigration, taxes and healthcare all rank highly. The issue of Iraq is complicated. It's an issue for some, but it's important for all because a lot of Americans want the war in Iraq to continue "as is" (used loosely) until we won, not on some time withdrawal."


I don't know what americans you talk to, but I know a fuckload who care less about the "progress" we are making. I remember seeing a poll which said that the majority of americans propose the war, it was on the news so I don't have any source but I don't think it'd be too hard to find. And I don't see how we can "win" its one of those wars that absolutely cannot be won. Just like the war on drugs, and every other stupid ass "war" our war-mongering presidents have gotten us into. Its like vietnam all over again, greatly opposed, getting us no where.

And yeah, the greatest worry is the economy, which is why I think its bullshit they are wasting so much of taxpayers money on the war in iraq, which isn't even suppose to be a goddamn war. Like I said, its fucking billions of dollars that we could be using for better shit.

As for the law I mentioned, I saw it on the news so I'm not sure where to look but more importantly I'm not up to the task.

I don't feel like debating it though, I really hate politics and I can never convince people to change the way they feel about certain things, I just wanted to come in and say that I thought bush was a fucking genious for all the havoc he has created.

We obviously look at things in an extremely different way, I sure as hell don't want a fucking "military" man as president. How the fuck does that help me? Just give us the right to actually bear arms so we CAN protect ourselves, instead of making so many damn regulations and shit that its really not worth to fuck with guns or what not unless you know what your doing.

Had that airplane had a gun on it maybe those terrorist fucks woulda gotten shot in the face while they waved their little box cutters around.

[odin_dax]

And yeah, the greatest worry is the economy, which is why I think its bullshit they are wasting so much of taxpayers money on the war in iraq, which isn't even suppose to be a goddamn war. Like I said, its fucking billions of dollars that we could be using for better shit.

Like what? Isn't supposed to be a war?


I really hate politics and I can never convince people to change the way they feel about certain things

Or what they know about certain things...


We obviously look at things in an extremely different way

Maybe, maybe not. It would depend on an issue by issue basis for me. I would, at least partially, agree with you on the topic of the war on drugs.

[Dizzy]

the black panthers were around more or less at the same time. late 60's, early 70's

whatever else mlk was, he was the catalyst for a lot of much needed change.

there were riots in many cities when king got shot.

the reason the black panthers did not riot was because they embraced an entirely different movement. mlk was essentially the african american gandhi. the black panthers originally served as vigilantes in inner-cities. they used all sorts of violence to get their message across.