What Morals Do You Ascribe to?

[M_Rommel]

I was thinking the other day about all the preposterous moral beliefs that people claim to hold, only before being shown to be total hypocrites (e.g. Ted Faggerd). :)

That said, what ethical beliefs do y'all actually live by? For instance, I'd have to say that I'm a pretty amoral person, but I still have things that I think are "good," and things that I think are "bad."

On the most basic of levels, things like sex, drugs, music (that isn't crap) are good, because of the fact that they allow me pleasure. Kicking thorny plants, pulling my fingernails off with pliers, etc. are bad because they cause me pain. These things can be lumped together under hedonism, basically.

Then there are things that I pursue because I just think that they're good, that involve pleasure only indirectly. For instance, I enjoy reading to learn more about topics that I'm interested in.

So what are your ethical beliefs? Don't respond with crappy reasons, plz. :P

[UKSWAT]

Your moral standards don't work as many people become hypocrites. A pimp on Jerry Springer claimed it was moral to be prostituting other women because he didn't feel immoral. The women clearly weren't happy.

[RoundElephant]

I believe harming innocent old people and their finances is off limits. Also killing an innocent for anything less then 1 million is something I would refuse to do.

[davey_crockshit]

harming innocents generally, especially if they've tried to help you.

i heard this one kid describe how he had faked a seizure in front of this guy. his friends said "put something in his mouth or he'll bite his tongue off like your wallet" they then stole the guy's wallet.

assholes.

[odin_dax]

I was thinking the other day about all the preposterous moral beliefs that people claim to hold, only before being shown to be total hypocrites (e.g. Ted Faggerd). :)

That said, what ethical beliefs do y'all actually live by? For instance, I'd have to say that I'm a pretty amoral person, but I still have things that I think are "good," and things that I think are "bad."

On the most basic of levels, things like sex, drugs, music (that isn't crap) are good, because of the fact that they allow me pleasure. Kicking thorny plants, pulling my fingernails off with pliers, etc. are bad because they cause me pain. These things can be lumped together under hedonism, basically.

Then there are things that I pursue because I just think that they're good, that involve pleasure only indirectly. For instance, I enjoy reading to learn more about topics that I'm interested in.

So what are your ethical beliefs? Don't respond with crappy reasons, plz. :P

If you're going to ask such questions, I would suggest being a little more neutral in your opening... If you define your own "ethics" as "sex, drug and music that doesn't suck", then I think you miss the point of your own question. Everybody defines what those three mean definitely. I think you need to go deeper than that. Ethics and morals are more universal, and usually have some societal reasoning behind them. How is music an ethical issue anyway?

Your entire post is more an example to part of an answer to the question you're trying to ask.

[Th0r]

harming innocents generally, especially if they've tried to help you.

i heard this one kid describe how he had faked a seizure in front of this guy. his friends said "put something in his mouth or he'll bite his tongue off like your wallet" they then stole the guy's wallet.

assholes.

I don't mean to be a total fucking twat or anything but surely that's asking for it.

I don't 'ascribe' to Morals as such. I look at the situation and carry out and Judge what is right. I don't believe there is any Definite Moral action that can be taken in response to something. Every situation is different.

[odin_dax]

I don't mean to be a total fucking twat or anything but surely that's asking for it.

I don't 'ascribe' to Morals as such. I look at the situation and carry out and Judge what is right. I don't believe there is any Definite Moral action that can be taken in response to something. Every situation is different.

Indeed, the best example of this is abortion. Pro-lifers should be able to admit certain cases where it's better to abort than have a child born into drugs/AIDS/incest/etc.

[RoundElephant]

Unfortunately there are many pro-lifers that want ALL fetuses to be birthed, even the ones that will die of a horrible painful disease before they turn 7.

[davey_crockshit]

generally speaking, a society or group where people have the expectation of not being screwed over is better to live in. victimize too many people and they become wary. assholes are wary anyway because they think everyone thinks like they do so preying on them does less damage.

besides, assholes usually have more money.

generally, if someone is just doing what they have to do to try to get through life, I won't touch them. i tend to be very forgiving of honest mistakes as i've made plenty myself. deliberately cross me and show no remorse, and the wheels start turning in my head and well they should.

i have this thing about wanting to feel like i deserve everything i have. its one of the main reasons i don't steal. like i've said before, i'm mostly here because i think its a good thing to know how to do things like this in case i'm ever forced to. others think differently and i accept that.

[M_Rommel]

Your moral standards don't work as many people become hypocrites. A pimp on Jerry Springer claimed it was moral to be prostituting other women because he didn't feel immoral. The women clearly weren't happy.

I'm unsure exactly what you mean by this...how does hypocricy tie into my morals not working.

[M_Rommel]

I don't mean to be a total fucking twat or anything but surely that's asking for it.

I don't 'ascribe' to Morals as such. I look at the situation and carry out and Judge what is right. I don't believe there is any Definite Moral action that can be taken in response to something. Every situation is different.

I'd agree with you in regards to each situation being different, but surely there are general rules that undergird your decision-making process...right?

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

The only one i really stick to is
Each man to his own.
Which means to me is every person has there own way of doing things and there own little quirks which may conflict with mine.

[Th0r]

I'd agree with you in regards to each situation being different, but surely there are general rules that undergird your decision-making process...right?

Not so much rules, as opposed to beliefs.

Let's look at Abortion. If a Woman wanted an Abortion and I had to grant her a Decision I would look at the circumstances of Conception and the Babies Welfare Post-Birth and then look at my own beliefs, before coming to a decision.

[odin_dax]

Not so much rules, as opposed to beliefs.

Let's look at Abortion. If a Woman wanted an Abortion and I had to grant her a Decision I would look at the circumstances of Conception and the Babies Welfare Post-Birth and then look at my own beliefs, before coming to a decision.

Given the scenario you gave yourself, I don't know how you can separate the two.

[M_Rommel]

Not so much rules, as opposed to beliefs.

Let's look at Abortion. If a Woman wanted an Abortion and I had to grant her a Decision I would look at the circumstances of Conception and the Babies Welfare Post-Birth and then look at my own beliefs, before coming to a decision.

Okay, so I am assuming that given differing circumstances, you might, on the one hand, choose an abortion, and on the other, choose against such. What I was getting at was the fact that there would be underlying rules for deciding under what circumstances to go with one decision or another.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'd guess that most educated adults don't assume moral issues to be wholly black and white, as they are commonly thought of in the more simplistic examples of ethical dilemmas. What I wanted to discuss with this board thread was what would be pertinent information for deciding on courses of action. Things like: whether other people's feeling factor into moral decisions, yes they do/no, they do not, and why; whether good actions are good in and of themselves, or if they are good by way of good consequences, etc.

[Vein]

I don't do anything that doesn't help me in some way. I do things that help me, even if it hurts someone more than it helps me (of course hurting someone can hurt me, but not usually). Furthermore, I don't care what other people do (abort, murder, etc.) so long as it doesn't affect me.

[Darkhunter]

I was thinking the other day about all the preposterous moral beliefs that people claim to hold, only before being shown to be total hypocrites (e.g. Ted Faggerd). :)

That said, what ethical beliefs do y'all actually live by? For instance, I'd have to say that I'm a pretty amoral person, but I still have things that I think are "good," and things that I think are "bad."

On the most basic of levels, things like sex, drugs, music (that isn't crap) are good, because of the fact that they allow me pleasure. Kicking thorny plants, pulling my fingernails off with pliers, etc. are bad because they cause me pain. These things can be lumped together under hedonism, basically.

Then there are things that I pursue because I just think that they're good, that involve pleasure only indirectly. For instance, I enjoy reading to learn more about topics that I'm interested in.

So what are your ethical beliefs? Don't respond with crappy reasons, plz. :P

I just do what I feel like. My morals say if I'm happy then fuck other people.

I know I'm selfish

[odin_dax]

I just do what I feel like. My morals say if I'm happy then fuck other people.

I know I'm selfish

I think that goes beyond selfish.

[M_Rommel]

I think that goes beyond selfish.

Uber-selfish? :laughing:

[Vein]

Ja. Das ist uber-schlecht.

[Darkhunter]

I think that goes beyond selfish.

Eh I'm a closed human being where unless I get something in return fuck other people. Being a nice person has screwed me over so many times its not even funny.

[headcase]

Yeah, nice guys finish last, but so do assholes.

Anyway, this thread is kinda shallow. I wish I had to time nowadays to write extensive walkthroughs on philosophical subjects but I simply don't. And besides, I already have written one on this subject elsewhere. So I'll just siggest an idea and see where other people take it;

Morality is shifting; decided by the times and the culture moreso than anything else.

[paninvmuthafuckinass!]

Don't snitch. Only moral I really stick to. The rest I couldn't give a fuck about though.

[Th0r]

I'll happily Rat someone out if it suits my needs at the time. I don't Rat out Pyro's though. Some code of conduct I made whilst Semi-Drunk with a bunch of friends.

[odin_dax]

I think it really depends on a case by case basis. For the most part, if it doesn't harm anybody, I won't snitch. Again, for the most part, if someone I care about (including myself) is in danger psychically, mentally or financially, then I'll snitch or take it into my own hands.

[DoubleTShiftty]

I won't grass on anybody, even if they grass on me, or lie to try and get themselves out of trouble. They will always get what's coming to them, but in my 'world' the Courts and the Police will never be the answer. It's the way I have been brought up.
In my experiences the Police or the courts can NEVER provide people with the justice they deserve.

Aside from that I have 'morals'. I'd never target vulneable/old people, I think people that do that will NEVER be able to recieve the punishment they deserve, if I was to steal, I wouldn't do it from a small corner-shop type thing, because the people working there find it hard enough to earn a living as it is. Innocent people are avoided as much as humanly possible. Rape and anything 'paedophile' like is also a big NO, if I knew of anybody that was a rapist or a convicted paedophile I would do as much as I possibly could to ensure they live the rest of their lifes in total misery, fuck their human rights.

They are the main things I live by, obviously certain 'rules' that I have can be flexible, given the circumstances but some I AM NOT, under any circumstance, flexible with.

[Mr.A]

My ethical beleifs are simple to start with. I believe in Good and Bad. I think I made a thread on this actually.

Snitches usually end up dead or wanting to die, so I'm not so sure yet where I stand on that. :nana:

[icharianchem]

Before anyone points it out Id like to preface this by saying I dont always do what I want in retrospect. I sometimes do things i hate. That said the morality i ascribe to is informed by my Jeudeo Christian upbringing, Zen Buddhism, Native American Black Road, and Mystics from everywhere. My goal is to remove myself from the center of my focus. To put others before myself. Now this is not pacifism or non-violence. If some one hurts a child and i see, there'll be a shitstorm. To this end i have found that I worry less, and people take care of me cuz I take care of them and I am never in need.

[Mr.A]

Before anyone points it out Id like to preface this by saying I dont always do what I want in retrospect. I sometimes do things i hate. That said the morality i ascribe to is informed by my Jeudeo Christian upbringing, Zen Buddhism, Native American Black Road, and Mystics from everywhere. My goal is to remove myself from the center of my focus. To put others before myself. Now this is not pacifism or non-violence. If some one hurts a child and i see, there'll be a shitstorm. To this end i have found that I worry less, and people take care of me cuz I take care of them and I am never in need.

I get that. You mentioned Zen Buddhism. Why your preference over regular Buddhism?:help: Myself, used to like the Zen Buddhist thoughts and ideas better, but nowadays I think I prefer the Buddhists'.

[Mr.A]

I choose both.

I'm am slightly confused though, is that your foundation on which you build all other of your ways? It's not a bad one, hahah, just forward.

[Abrazaderas]

I have no morals whatsoever. i don't think there is any special reason i should abstain from murder, rape, lying, acting ungrateful and cowardly and any other thing you could think of. and yet, i have no desire to do those things 99.9 percent of the time. i really do enjoy playing the role of generous, honest, honorable, chivalrous... but i don't lose site of the fact that for me, moral behavior is a form of vice. a bad habit i really ought to kick.

And at the bottom of it all, at the very core of my relations-processing nexus, lies side by side, a intense hatred of EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE, a manic desire to destroy and kill and torture for it's own gleeful sake, and next to it a gentle, peaceful love of everyone, a compassion and joyful kindness that is no less perplexing then it's evil twin.

I am fucked up in the head, probably, and will come to a bad end. i think i was born to hang.

[The Jinn]

I would expect a fair number of the members here to be amoralists. :)