McCain's VP choice

[Nocturnal]

Today McCain announced Sarah Palin as his pick for VP candidate. She's currently the governor of Alaska. To sum it up, she's relatively young and has fairly little political experiece. She's pro-life, pro-gun, and for oil drilling in Alaska. She's from the working class, was a union member and is married to a union member.

His pick was announced during the week of the anniversary of womens' suffrage. The timing of it seems to be intended to steal the thunder from Obama's speech on the anniversary of MLK's 'I have a dream' speech.

Choosing a woman candidate will likely cancel itself out in the number of votes it gains and loses for the Republicans. The racist/sexist voters (listen to some political interviews from West Virginia if you don't realize how fanatical they are) will probably end up not voting or voting independent now.

Politically, the timing of the choice makes sense. I'm not sure she's the best choice as a potential VP, but for McCain, she's probably the best chance he has at taking the election. She's conservative and will appeal to the traditional conservatives despite being female, but she's also very strongly pro-union which will probably draw in some voters who traditionally vote Democrat.

What do you think about the choice? Which way will she turn the election, if she affects it at all?

[Pimpin4Life30]

I dont think it will change it by much.Either way its going to be a change in The U.S. history.

[odin_dax]

It's not going to change history, it's going to make history. Big difference.

If he wanted a woman VP, it makes no difference to me. To pick someone so new to national politics cancels out almost all McCain's "no experience" firepower against Obama. I thought it was a very bad move.

We often don't pick presidents based on VPs though. Not many VPs take over office anymore anyway, unless the president is in the hospital. Bush (Reagan shot), Ford (Nixon resigned), Johnson (JFK killed) and Truman (FDR died in office). All were elected later on their own ticket too.

[Th0r]

As the Alaskans say - Coldest State - Hottest Govenor.

[Nocturnal]

Anybody notice she looks like somebody that would be in some librarian or secretary porno?

[Th0r]

Anybody notice she looks like somebody that would be in some librarian or secretary porno?

Yeah... She's Total MILF!

[torcher]

Yeah... She's Total MILF!
i would totally hit it lol
http://blog.oregonlive.com/elections/2008/03/large_palin_sarah.jpg

[Th0r]

It was born in April and had Down Syndrome.

[ComfortablyNumb]

We often don't pick presidents based on VPs though. Not many VPs take over office anymore anyway, unless the president is in the hospital. Bush (Reagan shot), Ford (Nixon resigned), Johnson (JFK killed) and Truman (FDR died in office). All were elected later on their own ticket too.

Ford was never elected, actually.

Anywho, I don't think that much of the Palin pick- despite McCain's advanced age I highly doubt that he will die in the next 4 years. Saying that though, I am still undecided as to who I will be voting for come November. One thing I do like about Palin is that she does have a history of battling corruption, even within her own party (see- Ted Stevens), but then again, the Vice Presidency really is a sort of "nothing job" in that they don't do anything lest there is a tie in the Senate (which is extremely rare). Cheney is certainly a very active VP, but he is the exception to the rule that the VP doesn't do anything (also perhaps Teddy Roosevelt, but that was a century ago and has since lost relevancy- politics are a different game nowadays). anywho, to sum things up, I don't really care who either candidate picked for VP, but rather on what I think the candidates will do with the position if elected.

[Pimpin4Life30]

It's not going to change history, it's going to make history.


Yeah thats what i meant.

[gbu-36]

I was stoked about the choice, Palin will certainly bring in the gun vote and a lot of the soccer mom vote (her NRA-ILA rating cemented my vote for McCain).

[rtvaz]

I think any 'RIGHT' thinking individule could agree that his choice was partly if not wholly based on getting Hillary's followers to his camp. But with the latest decision of the Alaska Leg. and her being found guilty of an ethics voliation Im wondering if McCain will be cutting her loose.

I was thinking last night as watching this unfold, that maybe the CNN catch phrase for this election should be: 'Fear & Hate In 08'

[torcher]

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/120/palinju9ap4.gif

[Th0r]

Brilliant as ever.

XxXxX

Anyone heard about the Sarah Palin Porn Movie?

[torcher]

yeah, its called "Nalin' Paylin" starring Lisa Ann. Hustler is making it so its gotta be good.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7347/lisaannpalin015671sz8.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5706/lisaannpalin025672fu6.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9035/lisaannpalin035673vp8.jpg
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[torcher]

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6108/lisaannpalin055675jg9.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7196/lisaannpalin065676zv0.jpg

[odin_dax]

It's a shame what politics do... All this Palin stuff is below the belt. She's hot though. As for the porn, that girl has fake tits (don't like that) and fat everywhere. I do like the glasses look, though Palin isn't Hispanic.

GO REPUBLICANS!

[.VX]

GO REPUBLICANS!

When I read that, I laughed out loud.

My only thoughts on Palin are that she looks like a lesser version of Tina Fey (when she hasn't got her makeup on).

Does america have a Libertarianist Party?

[Th0r]

When I read that, I laughed out loud.

Does america have a Libertarianist Party?

Because the Republicans are considered a joke by just about everyone outside the US...?

I believe they have an alternative party, but they've never got anywhere.

[.VX]

America as a whole is considered a joke in many places outside the US. Gun toting, zealous rednecks even more so.

I know that the UK has a lot of parties like that, not so sure about Aus. I might look into it when I start voting.

[odin_dax]

Yeah, we have a libertarian party, but it's not too popular. It's basically "cut all taxes, end all government assistance and live on your own."

Frankly, I'm tired of non-Americans crap about my country, so much to the point I realized I don't care anymore. They aren't American, so they have no idea what true America is. It's hard to find America's pulse just by visiting a short while too. I understand that many people's idea of America comes from TV, which isn't at all accurate, but when people come for a visit, that's what their brains register most. That's why I say someone has to stay more than just a short while. Yeah, we have rednecks, religious zealots and gun totes, but that's hardly any majority. In fact, all those groups are a small minority.

Best example, my view on non-Americans' thoughts on my country is equal to what I'd think of Australia if I based my opinion on from what I saw on TV, that you're all a bunch of Crocodile Dundees, drunks and boomerang throwing country folk.

Also, a lot of media is bias towards the US, so if people only have that choice, that person's opinion of the US will indeed be quite low. The biggest problem I have with Europeans is that they want the US to think like them, be like them. Well, we're not, and we never will be. (Thank, God.) In fact, in many ways, we can't. We're not setup to have universal healthcare, for example. There's just no way the US can do it or afford it.

Sorry, the US is just a bunch of descendants from the religious outcasts, indentured servants, slaves, criminals and Europe's poor. How we rose to be what we are, in all honesty, is what makes Europe despise us. :vote4me:

[.VX]

Yeah, we have a libertarian party, but it's not too popular. It's basically "cut all taxes, end all government assistance and live on your own."

Government assistance? I wouldn't really call it that, seing as we have to live in outright statism to get it. (Simply put; Statism lowers society five notches, and the Government's "help" raises it one. Sure in today's society it's better than them giving us nothing, but I think we'd be better off without them completely, or atleast get the choice to not be a part of it at all).

Which reminds of me of something; Th0r, how come you believe that people should be able to own guns, but you don't think that they can be trusted with drugs? Doesn't the other way round seem better?

To say that all Americans are idiots is ridiculous, but I honestly believe that the average american is significantly stupider (not in measurable terms) than most other countries. You also get a bad name (like a lot of countries) from your leaders, who shouldn't be in power anyway.

[odin_dax]

Government assistance? I wouldn't really call it that, seing as we have to live in outright statism to get it. (Simply put; Statism lowers society five notches, and the Government's "help" raises it one. Sure in today's society it's better than them giving us nothing, but I think we'd be better off without them completely, or atleast get the choice to not be a part of it at all).

Which reminds of me of something; Th0r, how come you believe that people should be able to own guns, but you don't think that they can be trusted with drugs? Doesn't the other way round seem better?

To say that all Americans are idiots is ridiculous, but I honestly believe that the average american is significantly stupider (not in measurable terms) than most other countries. You also get a bad name (like a lot of countries) from your leaders, who shouldn't be in power anyway.

Libertarians in the US...

There are many smart people with guns. It's sad whenever someone innocent gets hurt from a gun, but that is just a very small fraction of all legal guns out there. I would agree with Th0r, why should drug users own guns? In the US, there are many gun-related crimes with the only motivation being able to pay for more drugs. And, why should someone who uses mind-altering drugs be allowed to carry a gun? Is that not dangerous?

When you say that Americans are stupider but not in measurable terms, what do you mean? How else does one measure intelligence, point and choose? There are geniuses everywhere in the world, but genius doesn't mean anything unless it's used. It's hard for a genius to get the best advantage in places where an education system doesn't exist. Point is, the US school system is better than most of the 192 countries in the world. No, I don't claim it's at the top. There are things we can do better, sure, like all nations. There should be accountability to learn or fail, bilingual education would also be great (but not forcing students to take Spanish because that's the only option). Being such a large and prosperous country, we have all the inherent problems associated with that, but we're a good people.

[torcher]

omg....sick,horriblefurnace burn!!!

http://imagebot.org/debate.jpg

[odin_dax]

omg....sick,horriblefurnace burn!!!

http://imagebot.org/debate.jpg

Cold....

[Th0r]

Odin talked about Non-Americans constantly yattering on about how shit America is.

Common American Stereotypes I've heard dumb English people use.

All Americans own a gun.
All Americans are obese.
Everyone who lives in NY is Jewish or Italian American
Every American is dumb/mentally retarded. Especially President Bush - Evidence for this statement. Borat.
Every American in the South and is White is a racist KKK member.
Every American eats McDonalds twice a day.


To name a few. All of which are total bullshit, thus perhaps indicating the level of intelligence of people from the UK who Stereotype like that.

[hamster]

Odin talked about Non-Americans constantly yattering on about how shit America is.

Common American Stereotypes I've heard dumb English people use.

All Americans own a gun.
All Americans are obese.
Everyone who lives in NY is Jewish or Italian American
Every American is dumb/mentally retarded. Especially President Bush - Evidence for this statement. Borat.
Every American in the South and is White is a racist KKK member.
Every American eats McDonalds twice a day.


To name a few. All of which are total bullshit, thus perhaps indicating the level of intelligence of people from the UK who Stereotype like that.

some not too far from truth

[odin_dax]

some not too far from truth

The only of those examples that's close to being true is the obesity statement.

[hamster]

The only of those examples that's close to being true is the obesity statement.

I will vouch for the NY statement being close to truth as well as the retardation statement.

[.VX]

Libertarians in the US...

There are many smart people with guns. It's sad whenever someone innocent gets hurt from a gun, but that is just a very small fraction of all legal guns out there. I would agree with Th0r, why should drug users own guns? In the US, there are many gun-related crimes with the only motivation being able to pay for more drugs. And, why should someone who uses mind-altering drugs be allowed to carry a gun? Is that not dangerous?

When you say that Americans are stupider but not in measurable terms, what do you mean? How else does one measure intelligence, point and choose? There are geniuses everywhere in the world, but genius doesn't mean anything unless it's used. It's hard for a genius to get the best advantage in places where an education system doesn't exist. Point is, the US school system is better than most of the 192 countries in the world. No, I don't claim it's at the top. There are things we can do better, sure, like all nations. There should be accountability to learn or fail, bilingual education would also be great (but not forcing students to take Spanish because that's the only option). Being such a large and prosperous country, we have all the inherent problems associated with that, but we're a good people.

No, I mean that I think guns should be illegal (because the majority of humanity are retarded, and can't be trusted) and that drugs should be made legal (because the only people these idiots would be harming is themselves, which I don't mind).

I'm sure that most of us could be sensible with a gun, but that's not the same for everyone.

When I said 'not in measurable terms' I just meant statistically speaking, as in average IQs and test standards. I meant that overall I think that Americans are more ignorant and oblivious to what's going on around them. Sitting there in their own little world. Only twenty percent of Americans have their passport, what does that tell you? (No one say that it's because they like America so much that they don't want to leave, because that's a retarded answer)

[.VX]

Odin talked about Non-Americans constantly yattering on about how shit America is.

Common American Stereotypes I've heard dumb English people use.

All Americans own a gun.
All Americans are obese.
Everyone who lives in NY is Jewish or Italian American
Every American is dumb/mentally retarded. Especially President Bush - Evidence for this statement. Borat.
Every American in the South and is White is a racist KKK member.
Every American eats McDonalds twice a day.


To name a few. All of which are total bullshit, thus perhaps indicating the level of intelligence of people from the UK who Stereotype like that.

It goes both ways, everyone tries to make themselves look better than everyone else. Really, none of it means anything, it's all bullshit.

[odin_dax]

@ .VX --- Most people don't have their passports because they can't afford and some Americans never leave home. It's sad, but true. In the Midwest farm regions, there is no way anyone can afford a trip to Europe. Farms are bad off as it is, so most money raised is kept to get the farm going and/or send their children to college, if possible. When it was acceptable for so long that Americans didn't need passports for to enter Canada or Mexico, and I think even the Bahamas and other tropical islands, then that would account for a good percentage of American travel. Most people can afford to drive to Canada or Mexico. Further, there are many places people travel to within the US. Europe minus Russia can fit within the Lower 48 easily. There are many hot destinations within the US: California, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Hawaii, New York, D.C., Pennsylvania, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Oregon, Virginia, Georgia, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine, Alaska, even Tennessee. These are all States that draw in big tourist numbers. I even forgot one or two I bet.

Besides that, I bet there are a lot of other nations with high percentages. China? Russia? Mexico?

Final point, a passport doesn't make one smart, and not having one doesn't make one stupid.


@ Hamster --- Don't be retarded. Saying everyone who lives in New York is Jewish or Italian is like saying everyone in Las Vegas is a gamble or a stripper, or saying that everyone in San Francisco is gay.

@ both --- the rest is subjective at best, so not worth the time to write a response.

[Th0r]

The only of those examples that's close to being true is the obesity statement.

There are obese people everywhere. The UK sees itself as superior to the US. If the people in the UK think they are ultra-skinny, take a look around.

[odin_dax]

There are obese people everywhere. The UK sees itself as superior to the US. If the people in the UK think they are ultra-skinny, take a look around.

As much as I love the Brits, I don't seem them as superior. No offense, but their English (not the accent) is so annoying when half the words are slang. Of course, I don't claim the US is superior either.

[Th0r]

Whilst I partially agree with you I do feel we are derailing this topic.

[odin_dax]

Whilst I partially agree with you I do feel we are derailing this topic.

Maybe, but that's just the road the thread has gone down. I'm a believer in the "evolution" of discussion. 20+ posts in, I think it's fine.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Maybe, but that's just the road the thread has gone down. I'm a believer in the "evolution" of discussion. 20+ posts in, I think it's fine.

Agreed, i like to see where topics take us and what we end up with.

[.VX]

and some Americans never leave home.

Besides that, I bet there are a lot of other nations with high percentages. China? Russia? Mexico?


That's what I was getting at, it seems to me that a large number of Americans live in their own little delusional world.

America can't be compared to China, Russia and Mexico. America is a democratic society, so that means that they're supposed to have the illusion of being free. (I know that they have many more freedoms than most countries, but it will only be so long until it escalates into total statism)


There are obese people everywhere. The UK sees itself as superior to the US. If the people in the UK think they are ultra-skinny, take a look around.

The UK can't seem to accept the fact that they're not the foremost global power anymore.

Also, Australia has recently overtaken America as the country with the highest percentage of people who are overweight.

[odin_dax]

That's what I was getting at, it seems to me that a large number of Americans live in their own little delusional world.

America can't be compared to China, Russia and Mexico. America is a democratic society, so that means that they're supposed to have the illusion of being free. (I know that they have many more freedoms than most countries, but it will only be so long until it escalates into total statism)


And my point was that they're not delusional or stupid because they don't leave it, it's that they can't afford to, and that isn't to say they don't experience Canadian culture, Mexican culture, or cultures in other states. We have many diverse populations.

Last I checked, Russia and Mexico were democracies, officially.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Also, Australia has recently overtaken America as the country with the highest percentage of people who are overweight.

Only beacuse we have fuck all people compared to the land we have, NY has our population in its City Limits.

[.VX]

And my point was that they're not delusional or stupid because they don't leave it, it's that they can't afford to


GDP Per Capita
America - $45,800
European Union - $32,700
Australia - $37,300
UK - $35,000

Everyone else seems to be able to afford it.

Besides that, I bet there are a lot of other nations with high percentages. China? Russia? Mexico?

You're right there, but that's because they can't afford it.
Russia - $14,800
China - $5,400
Mexico - $12,400
Only beacuse we have fuck all people compared to the land we have, NY has our population in its City Limits.
Almost, we have 21 million, they have 19.

[odin_dax]

GDP Per Capita
America - $45,800
European Union - $32,700
Australia - $37,300
UK - $35,000

Everyone else seems to be able to afford it.



You're right there, but that's because they can't afford it.
Russia - $14,800
China - $5,400
Mexico - $12,400



Sorry, VX, you're just not convincing me. Being from America and now living in Europe, I see many differences. First of all, Europeans don't pay medical insurance out of pocket, like most Midwest farmers, most of whom don't have any. Flying within Europe, for the most part, is pretty cheap. Europe has a great hostel network that cheap too. Europe also has a much larger student discount policy. The US isn't known for its great hostels. Flying from one of the US to the other is sometimes the same price or higher than the cost of flying to London from California.

It's true that the US has a high GDP, but a lot of one's personal salary is gone after expenses. The Midwest, as I've said, is mainly people living on farms. Most farms are under threat of going belly-up, so most money goes, as I've stated too, to the farm. Extra money is typically saved for college-bound kids. The income levels of farmers and people from the middle US is significantly lower than heavily populated states like California, Texas, the East coast.

[.VX]

This isn't a debate of how often Americans travel, it's whether they do at all. Sure, having those extra expenses might make it harder for them to travel oversees frequently, but if they had the initiative to travel then I'm sure they could.

The income levels of farmers and people from the middle US is significantly lower than heavily populated states like California, Texas, the East coast.
Exactly. The states with the high populations are richer and make up a much larger percent of the population than the poorer states, so they're much mor elikely to be able to afford to go away every now and then.

California alone makes up more than 10% of the american population, they're not all poor farmers.

[torcher]

California alone makes up more than 10% of the american population, they're not all poor farmers.

right, they're just poor people. excluding places like hollywood and such.

[.VX]

Does that mean that they can never go away, not even once?

[odin_dax]

Does that mean that they can never go away, not even once?

You're grasping at straws on this one, VX. Your reasoning and logic on works if it is applied to Americans, and each post you make has different conditions.

torcher is right, not everybody in California is rich. Yeah, we may have 10%, but most of them are farmers, ranchers, illegals, and middle-income, who have a tough a time as it is to live there (I know firsthand). And, as I've said twice, people do travel to Canada, Mexico and other states, which do have local cultures of their own (ie difference between Oklahoma and New York, or Mississippi vs California).

This isn't a debate of how often Americans travel, it's whether they do at all. Sure, having those extra expenses might make it harder for them to travel oversees frequently, but if they had the initiative to travel then I'm sure they could.

I'm confused... What have we been talking about all this time, or are you just not reading what I'm writing? I'm sure if Mr. Joe Schmoe from Senegal wants to travel, I'm sure with enough initiative he can.

[torcher]

anyone seen "Who's Nailin' Paylin (Adventures of a Hockey Milf)" yet? because i have....and omg its horrible. i mean its got the regular scenes that you would expect in a movie like it, but the acting is sooo bad.

[Pimpin4Life30]

Post the link and ill be sure to give you a review!!

:wank:

[torcher]

hxxp://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4451828

just click the Download Torrent link at your own discretion.

[Th0r]

I downloaded it but I need some kind of Codec to play it.

[torcher]

Divx codec. just go to divx.c om and get it. its simple, free etc

[Th0r]

I've been using Divx since I started illegally downloading movies and I've even tried playing it through Divx Player to know avail.

[odin_dax]

I've been using Divx since I started illegally downloading movies and I've even tried playing it through Divx Player to know avail.

I'd delete it, run a virus scan, then try another torrent.

[Th0r]

I didn't use a torrent.

[screwtape]

Worst person on earth. Horrible choice. if he wanted a woman on the ticket he should of picked Rice, exp, power, all the stuff that one looks for in a VP.

[Th0r]

Yea but Condi has a reputation proceeding her, and possibly a negative one due to the whole Iraq fiasco. Palin however, is a whole different plate of fish. She is attractive, unlike Rice. Has kids, unlike Rice. She also can maintain the image of a 'Hockey/Soccer mom', thus increasing her appeal to American people.

Plus hardly anyone has ever heard of her [Minus Alaskans.] so she has a clean slate to work with.

[screwtape]

I have to agree with those statments and she did her VP job of exciteing the base, but if they were to be elected the Rep party as we kn ow it would not exsist. The jesus freak Repulicans who were democrats no less then 20 years ago would over run the party even more so, and i just can't handle the thought of an entire party ran by jesus freaks.