Selling Out

[DoctaD]

And as a little side note, who cares if a band "sells out?" They're the ones who make the money by doing what they love to do, so who gives a shit? "Selling out" is just a term for pissy fans (or even the average listener) who look for an excuse to get enraged that a band changes a particular style. I'm sure if you were offered a truckload of cash by a record label to act or sing in a particular way, the temptation'd be pretty high.

I know I'd be tempted, anyway. Razz

Besides, Slipknot was the starting point for the Murderdolls, Wednesday 13, and Stone Sour. I'm not saying I'm a Slipknot fan, but they do serve a purpose here and there, in odd situations. But I second your opinion of Disturbed, Armalite.

Just keeping this out of the Song Game thread. Slipknot said that they would never sell out. Back in the late 90s I was a fan, and I was a potential pissy fan who would kick up shit because of one of my favourite bands selling out. Now, I couldn't give a shit whatsoever, but I just wanted to point out that Slipknot blatantly said they would never do it.

I don't mind Disturbed at all, but the first time I heard "Down with the sickness" I was thinking to myself "Hmm... I wonder if they've heard 'Blind' before?" :P

[Adrian_Faythe]

Quite. I'm not a Slipknot fan, myself, I'm just trying to stir up trouble amongst the more...musically offensive, as it were.

I'm neutral either way, because quite frankly, those types of bands, I couldn't give any less of a shit about. I'm a metal and trance fan, myself. By metal, I mean more along the lines of Iced Earth, Cradle of Filth, Emperor, etc. None of this newer stuff that's only happened along in the past three years or so.

[Stone]

Slipknot are actually a rip-off of Mushroomhead.

[kbk]

That is true, Mushroomhead is somewhat local to my area by the way...Anyway, I used to be a big Slipknot fan but as Adrian pointed out none of this new shit is really any good...Sold out was probably the wrong choice of words but whatever, they changed, and now to alot of people they suck....I'm also with Armalite about Disturbed, never really liked them much...

[Adrian_Faythe]

Glad to see we're all in agreement about the general suck of mainstream music. :)

[Biovore]

And have they sold out?

They changed their style, they wanted to try something new. which is cool and i enjoy when bands take a plunge and do something so different to what would normally be expected of them.

[DoctaD]

When ya hear pop music fans saying "I got the new Slipknot song on my phone" it suggests they have.

To be honest, I havent really listened to anything after IOWA.

[Stone]

IOWA was a great album. They did the opposite to what everybody thought they would and got harder instead of more mainstream. The funny thing is, Slipknot were originally not a manufactured band (at the time of MFKR and Anders Colfeni) but after the whole Roadrunner Records/Mushroomhead saga the band was changed and might as well be called manufactured as the record company created the band we now know as Slipknot.

Some of the members of Slipknot are really talented musicians (Corey Taylor, Jim Root, Joey and Sid). They knew that thier time with Slipknot was up and wanted to branch out into the type of music they really wanted to play (Stone Sour, Murderdolls, DJ Starscream) but... They were caught in a contract with Roadrunner for five albums and if they didn't complete them... They get sued for everything they have... Unlucky fuckers... That's why they have now 'sold out'. They said fuck it... While we're here making these albums we don't even want to make, let's make loads of money from it. Thier heart isn't in the band anymore, they are trying to make loads of money. But under the circumstances, they shouldn't be painted with the same brush as bands like Disturbed!

[Eulux]

One of the few modern bands that is still kicking ass is static X...their new cd is the shit.

[Adrian_Faythe]

Without a doubt. They tried something new, away from their older things, and it worked out marvelously for them.

[kbk]

I haven't heard their new stuff, I listen to different things now and I'm not as big a Static X fan as I used to be...If Cradle of Filth or Nile or Napalm Death ever changes like Slipknot did I don't know what I will do with myself!

[Adrian_Faythe]

To say that "if Cradle were to change," that's a bit...unseemly, as it were. They themselves have stated that every album released has a different subject matter and appearance. Compare Midian, a demonic, hellish insignia, to Nymphetamine, a more or less sex-driven album, to Cruelty And The Beast, an album devoted entirely to Elizabeth Bathory.

Comparatively, Nymphetamine is nowhere near as good as Midian and Cruelty, but still beats out Damnation And A Day overall, I think.

Most bands are controlled by their record label. Cradle's now signed with RoadRunner, the same as Slipknot, so I can only hope they don't fall into the same category as "forced to complete a contract," because Cradle enjoys doing what they do: perform, kick ass, get drunk, and make money.

[DoctaD]

Hold the fuck on...

Coal Chamber, Deicide, Ill Nino, Machinehead, Soulfly, Stone Sour, Biohazard, Fear Factory, Sepultura, 36 Crazyfists, Murderdolls, Killswitch Engage, Spineshank... may not be your favourite bands, but Roadrunner RULES! Don't talk 'em down!

:D

They're a record company, not a drop in centre... what they did may seem unfair, but letting a band break contract makes 'em look soft. Plus Slipknot made money out of the end of their band, leaving the talented members finacially secure to try whatever the fuck they want.

[Adrian_Faythe]

Oh, don't misunderstand, Doc. I'm not talking RR down, by any means. They're run by great execs with excellent marketing strategies. I've personally met a few of them, and one of my close friends works as recording personnel with them.

Slipknot's lost interest in their image as a whole because there are what, three bands within Slipknot know? All those tugs and pulls in different musical directions stress the compounds that form a healthy, interactive band. They just want to finish what they've scheduled, end of story. So I'm in agreement with the "breaking a contract makes them look soft" statement, because allowing that sort of thing to happen only causes more problems than it solves.

I'm an avid RoadRunner supporter. They've done an amazing amount for the kinds of music I personally enjoy, they provide amusing contests and free music/videos...what more could you ask for, honestly?

[DoctaD]

Free weed, I guess. :lol:

Was it Cypress Hill offered ganja seeds with an album?

They just want to finish what they've scheduled, end of story
Don't they have to?

[Adrian_Faythe]

Yeah, my bad.

[Armalite]

Ok....first of all. I NEVER said anything about them selling out. Or changing style. Changes in style can be good or bad. Good ones only go to show how talented the musicians really are. Bad ones reaffirm their lack of talent and their appaling taste.


BTW, Murderdolls, StoneSour, Disturbed, etc. trace back to early death metal and grindcore. So does Slipknot. Go pick up an Obituary or (old)Cannibal Corpse album. You'll see what I mean. The whole trend of psuedo-deathmetal bands is an iffy thing to me. They adapt the old styles of death metal, incorporating many of the riff styles, vocal styles, and most especially the double bass drumming and blast beats. But water it down like Noah's Flood and cut song lengths to make it radio friendly. Which is kinda gay. But on the other hand, little pussy psuedo-metalheads grow up to be hardcore brutal metalheads. Which spreads metal around more. Hence the recent rise in popularity of bands like Lamb of God and Shadows Fall. Which is ok. Since when I was growing up, I would have KILLED to find someone to talk to about Dying Fetus or Absu or whatever band I was into. But now, I can find people readily. And not to mention Fuse's fine ass woman Juliya getting a show dedicated to metal. \m/ :twisted: \m/ But, like all trends, it will pass. But I'll still be here, bangin my head, cutting my flesh, and hailing Satan like a deranged madman.

[THErAPIST]

Hold the fuck on...

Coal Chamber, Deicide, Ill Nino, Machinehead, Soulfly, Stone Sour, Biohazard, Fear Factory, Sepultura, 36 Crazyfists, Murderdolls, Killswitch Engage, Spineshank...

add about 9 bands to that from other labels and you have a list of my favorite bands...

the offspring used to be my favorite band.. they "sold out" as some would say because they became pop punk instead of the grungy old punk they used to be, but it's not like you can talk people down for doing that really. theyre just changing the way that the sound to catch a bigger market. theyre making what more poeple like. if you really think about it, they may still like doing it just as much even though it's not what they used to be. theyre in the end just trying to make their fans happy.

old offspring: "watch my girlfriend come in the door, chop off her head she falls to the floor! watching my baby's jugular flow, really makes my motor go!"
new offspring: Every single day, what you say Makes no sense to me. Lettin' you inside, isn't right Coz you'll mess with me. I never really know What's really going on inside you. I can't get my head around you

different shit, with a different sound. people would say that they have sold out but in reality theyre still making music and people still like it. so who is to say that they sold out? the people who dont like em as much anymore? what about the people who like them more now?

[Stone]

I haven't heard their new stuff, I listen to different things now and I'm not as big a Static X fan as I used to be...If Cradle of Filth or Nile or Napalm Death ever changes like Slipknot did I don't know what I will do with myself!

The current incarnation of Napalm Death is the 7th (or is it 8th)... They have changed ALOT from their early days (1981) as a punk band. Along the way with all the changes and all that they picked up alot of influences from bands such as Carcass, Cathedral, Dimmu Borgir, Morbid Angel, Terrorizer and way to many more to list.

The changes are what made Napalm Death the [second to the Berzerker] best metal band the world has ever seen.

[kbk]

Napalm Death is deffinetly one of the best bands out there in my opinion, and yes they have changed a hell of alot but some of their early stuff was good too.

[DoctaD]

Old Offspring RULED! I don't think many would say different.

[Armalite]

I would like to note the fact that NOT A SINGLE ORIGINAL MEMBER of Napalm Death still plays with the band. In fact, the oldest first generation member is like two Napalm Death version back into the past.

[Stone]

The first Napalm Death was Nik Bullen, Mick Harris and Justin Broderick. Nik and Justin left in 1986, and Mick Harris left in 1991 to form Scorn with Nik Bullen. So in 1991 all original members were after leaving the band. Mick was replaced with Danny Herrera who as far as I know still drums for the band.

[Armalite]

Napalm Death members all went onto form incredible and influential bands themselves. Napalm Death is easily the most influential force in metal history.

[Stone]

Napalm Death is easily the most influential force in metal history.

Agree 100%