Suggestions on getting 10k please

[paid2kill]

SWIM is almost 16 and looking forward to getting a car but that requires money. So what would you recommend for him getting 10k in a month. Suggestions other than a traditional job please. :)

What scams or heists would be best in this situation. Please elaborate.

[odin_dax]

I wish this board had turkey smileys....

Getting a job is the best way. Why do you want to start a life of crime? It isn't glamorous. It's dangerous, it'll put you in jail or get you killed. Life looking over your shoulder is fun to you?

Nothing in life is free or easy, so don't think stealing 10k will solve your problems or be the end of such a path. What kind of car are you buying for 10k? Because no auto agency sells cars to minors! Minors can't enter into contract, and no 15 year old buys a car with his own cash! Sorry!

I know you're new, and I'm not trying to be the moral police here, but your post just shows your complete lack of serious thought and stupidity on this issue. Stop watching movies, kid.

[Th0r]

I heavily recommend that you read through all relevant material in the NE section. Relevant material can be found by using the search feature.

Also since it's a question please use the appropriate section. The section that I am moving it too.

[DJ Poppinfresh]

10k, that's funny


You could rob a bank...

[paid2kill]

I though it over a lot and I was going to buy a used car. Something fast of course like a Toyota Supra. If I give my mom the money as lame as it may sound she'll get me the car I pick.

I'm just not sure if i should start robbing houses or trying to steal peoples credit cards. All I know is I'm too lazy to work my ass of at some minimum wage job.

...so let me worry of jail and tell me what I can do.

[odin_dax]

I though it over a lot and I was going to buy a used car. Something fast of course like a Toyota Supra. If I give my mom the money as lame as it may sound she'll get me the car I pick.

I'm just not sure if i should start robbing houses or trying to steal peoples credit cards. All I know is I'm too lazy to work my ass of at some minimum wage job.

...so let me worry of jail and tell me what I can do.

Legal or illegal, I don't help self-professed lazy people.

Ride a bike and peddle to McDonald's, you lazy ass. Maybe you'll actually like earning money. Hell, you might make manager. That's good on a resume.

Your mom will help? What, she's not going to ask where the money came from? She's still legally responsible for any damage you do in your car. Why do you want or need a car? I still don't have one.

Get a license, then borrow one. Same legal responsibility, but if you borrow someone else's not in your household, the insurance will cover it.

[RoundElephant]

I though it over a lot and I was going to buy a used car. Something fast of course like a Toyota Supra. If I give my mom the money as lame as it may sound she'll get me the car I pick.

I'm just not sure if i should start robbing houses or trying to steal peoples credit cards. All I know is I'm too lazy to work my ass of at some minimum wage job.

...so let me worry of jail and tell me what I can do.

I don't think you can make 10k with a minimum wage job anyway.
Maybe if you work 30 hrs a week and save up for 20 months.

[lcnostra]

This board isn't about morality or what's entirely feasible; it's about non-normative economics. Let's stop giving this kid crap and attempt to answer his question.

While you're young and I would also advise against things that are illegal, it's impossible to make that kind of money with a minimum wage job. Even after saving from your age, I barely had enough money to cover the little extra costs of college. My advice? Find a cheaper car (we ALL start out with junkers) or find a product that people demand. Buy it low and sell it high -- that simple.

Look around, because you can find some very respectable cars for 5-6k. Whatever you do, make sure you're smart with your money if you happen to come across some. In today's world, it's all too easy to lose it.

[odin_dax]

This board isn't about morality or what's entirely feasible; it's about non-normative economics. Let's stop giving this kid crap and attempt to answer his question.

While you're young and I would also advise against things that are illegal,

Okay.

Look around, because you can find some very respectable cars for 5-6k. Whatever you do, make sure you're smart with your money if you happen to come across some. In today's world, it's all too easy to lose it.

I think my responses are still 100% valid and justified in this case. Like I said, parents are legally responsible for damages.

[RoundElephant]

My friend's brother is 18 and has over 20k in cars and motor cycles. He did nothing illegal to get this much money either, he just bought and sold cars off of craigslist.
Of course you need capital, he was lucky because his dad put 3000 dollars towards his first car.

[.VX]

Steal a credit card or two, create another identity and get a loan out, write a bestselling book, break into a lot of houses, steal cars and sell them as spare parts, or do as your name suggests and become a contract killer.

But in all seriousness, you don't need 10k in a month if it's just for a car. Rather than do something stupid and dangerous, commit small crimes over a longer period of time.

[paid2kill]

Thank you lcnostra and VX.

and Odin I've made the decision I'm never working when I can steal.

[.VX]

Tell us what you actually plan on doing, and we can probably help you out.

[odin_dax]

Thank you lcnostra and VX.

and Odin I've made the decision I'm never working when I can steal.

Good luck then.

[paid2kill]

Ok so really then help me out with some ideas please. What's something plausible for me to pull off even if it takes a while to make money?

[FAZEone]

In short term shoplifting can be useful. I would only steal what I need, in the long term getting a job is the best option.
When you're dealing with high risk - high turnover lifting you have to be very careful. Your life is at stake pretty much, dont fuck up and get locked away for 20 years.

The other week in the news, a man entered a jewellery store and stole $30,000 worth of stuff. The securtiy slider door was slightly open (it was in the morning, no staff was in the store at the time) so he creeped in and snatched and ran. He got away with it as of now.

If you really have to, why not steal a car?

[.VX]

Steal someone's identity.

[Æhµ]

the old carding standby still works, card shit to an empty house or other suitable mail drop and sell it. Tennis and Golf items keep their value way better than electronics and generally don't come with all the anti-carding hassles. Get yourself some work lined up shoveling snow or mowing lawns, and you'll know exactly which houses are empty and you won't attract attention for being in the neighborhood.

Look on some of the carding forums for "card to drop" offers, or learn to do it for yourself, you can start cheap with CCs with CVVs and Expirys and a list of sites that ship inexpensive items to non-billing addys, then work your way up to COBs for higher-end goods. Hook up with a good carder, your job would be to stake out the drops and collect the goods and ship back the carders portion.

Some forums would tell you this is a myth that carders dont need drop-sitters when they can just collect everything themselves but that is b.s., good carders collect hundreds, thousands, of ccs that they can never hope to get to and are always looking for drop sitters. Just be willing to learn and pay your dues to earn some credibility and they'll start carding you some bigger paydays.

G'luck.

[Hawk]

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[l3ndur]

Grab cellphones from kids.

Few days ago when I was on a bus, goin back to home I saw a 10-13 year old with iphone.
Really.. 10 YO WITH IPHONE!! That just waits to be stolen.

Maybe learn pickpocketing or break into some houses and steal some stuff that caught your eye.

[Vein]

i think your best option is get about 500 in capitol and then buy and sell items to kids at your highschool (if you haven't dropped out:biggrin:). The 500 can be gotten from stealing ipods and things carshopping or however you can and craigslisting them. You could also just ask around and shoplift items in demand. High school kids are dumb and don't know the value of things. Or, since your mother is so cool with it, you could just steal a car and bring it home.

[RoundElephant]

Find a shop that sells cigarettes and is manned by a chinaman.
Buy cigars and tobacco products.
Sell them for .50-1 a piece.


I once sold a a freshman one shitty $ .30 cigar for $5.00.

[lcnostra]

@odin:

I was just saying, he opened his post with the "I'm not looking for a traditional job" disclaimer. Crime usually doesn't pay when you're 16, but hey; that's what he said he was looking for.

It's really hard to get 10k with a minimum wage job.

Paid2kill,

Do you have any special skills or anything? When I was your age (and still now), I fixed peoples' computers and did custom builds. I'd charge significantly less than the big guys and still made bank. Nobody says you have to work for anyone else....there are plenty of legal ways to employ yourself.

If illegal is what you're looking for, there have also been plenty of suggestions on this topic.

Whatever you do, just be smart with your money. However you're making it, don't spend it on stupid shit. I had a friend who used to deal and he would spend just as much as he made. If he had put even a little bit of that in a CD or high yield savings, he'd be doing fine right now. Hell, if he'd kept it under his mattress....

[thief]

SWIM is almost 16 and looking forward to getting a car but that requires money. So what would you recommend for him getting 10k in a month. Suggestions other than a traditional job please. :)

What scams or heists would be best in this situation. Please elaborate.

If you send me $1000 you can enter my "make money online fast" pyramid scheme. :P

:sgrin:

[Mr.A]

It sounds more like this 15 year old dude is asking a legitmate question, although a bit lame and lacking in details, we should be able to answer this question just as we should be able to deny it. This breaks no rules I see. However, I agree with Odin almost completely.:banana:

Mostly because of:
"I think my responses are still 100% valid and justified in this case. Like I said, parents are legally responsible for damages."

My answer is this. Get a job, quit being such a pussy:headache:. Some of my most wonderful "morally questionable" thoughts or ideas have come from work experience. No joke. What better way to find out companies weakpoints than to work for them. Anyone who has had a job longer than say maybe 6 months learns about what people forget. What they tend to slack on. Ways of getting "your slice of pie" from the company you work for.(you all know what Im talking about) People are alot alike all over the world...

Get two part time jobs and dont work alot, just small shifts at both of them.
It will also teach you what hard work is all about, determination, social skills and other essential "human" skills. Which if you would have had job experience already you would've known that some jobs are easier than others. ANND some jobs are rediculously easy. (HINT:FIND THOSE)

@Thief: Nice idea, lol. You gave me comedic relief in all this bs.

Oh and yeah, it seems that Rorta is already being flooded with Totse Zombies...Not pointing any fingers :madfawk:

Oh and if it was a good idea, DJ Poppinfresh had the best one.



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10K is a good chunk of change to just lose.

[thief]

Serious guys... can we take someone for real when they say they are 15 an want to pull off "a heist" and "get somthing fast like a Supra" hahahah. Sounds like someone is watching to much of dad's dvd collection after school.
But for the purpose of been constructive. Of all the 15 year old kids I know of are doing small stuff like stealing bicycles or "runner" for drugs or grabbing tourists cell phones. If you really are going into a life of crime I would suggest starting small and building confidence, dont be cocky. Teenagers tend to get cocky and then take bigger risks they are not ready for yet and get busted. You like all of us are not invincible. Be careful.

[Acid44]

I though it over a lot and I was going to buy a used car. Something fast of course like a Toyota Supra.

not very relevant to the question, but worth a mention, you know the cheapest used supra you'll find is like 20k minimum right?

[paid2kill]

Thanks guys who took me seriously...

I've read everything and it seems robbing a house is the best thing.
Feel free to keep the suggestions coming and I'll let you know what happens.

[coati]

The don't have internet in most juvenile detention homes so I wont hold my breath waiting to hear how it went.

[odin_dax]

The don't have internet in most juvenile detention homes so I wont hold my breath waiting to hear how it went.

:clap:

[redjoker]

First you need to find a need. Then you need to research this need and all the methods involved in getting and selling the thing in need. Example: you notice a popular motorcycle shop doesn't give a fuck where its parts come from. You decide to travel out of state with an older trusted friend to steal and scrap motorcycles and sell the parts to the shop. If you knew what you were doing you could rip 10K off the streets in 1 night like it was nothing.

What you decide to do should be based on what is around you. Look closely at what people want to buy. Then steal shit tons of it and sell it to them.

[The Wicker Man]

10k eh?

Like Hawk said, there's no way you're going to make 10k heists easily without at least a car. It's good that you're asking questions, but you need to think realistically. Entering into a life of crime is a big decision, and not one that should ever be taken lightly. Odin is right, crime isn't glamerous; it's filthy and it's ugly.

You're 15, if you fuck up now, you could very well fuck up the rest of your life. I'm not advocating that you work for 'the man', but neither should crime be taken so lightly. If you're seriously considering entering into a life of crime, make sure you know what you're doing. Any crime is dangerous; you have to be quick on your feet, literally. It takes brains as much as it does brawn, if not moreso.

Start small, build your confidence, but ALWAYS be careful. It would suck to get busted for shoplifting a pack of gum, have your prints and DNA taken, and then eight years down the line hear have the cops at your door because they matched the DNA at the scene of a murder to your sample which they had on file.

Todays technology, such as biometric security, RFID, smart cameras, and facial recognition, make the criminals job much harder. It's an increasingly dangerous game to play.

If you're still intent on entering into a life of crime, do alot of research. Become meticulous, plan everything out to the maximum. Understand what you are doing, and why. Stay ahead of the game, learn about security, police responses, forensics, ANYTHING that may help you is a bonus. You can never know too much.

To answer your question, i'll give you a few ideas:


Drugs - Marijuana is the easiest drug to manafacture if you have the space in which to do so. There are hundreds of tutorials on this. A single plant can net you close to $1000 if done right. Of course, this is dependent on the street prices where you are.
Pirate CD/DVD - An old one, but it works. Download and burn music/films/games and sell them for a fraction of the price to friends. You'll be surprised how many people acutally BUY these things. Profit can vary.
Car shopping - Tons of information on this laying around. If Totse was still around i'd direct you to look there. You'll be surprised what people leave in their cars. Profit varies incredibly.
Burglary - It's amazing how so many houses still don't have an alarm fitted. These make ideal targets for daytime burglaries, or if they're not in, feel free to use the cover of darkness to your advantage. However, I highly doubt you'll get that 50" plasma into your bedroom without raising a few dozen eyebrows.


Lastly, never miss an opportunity. See a cell phone on a table and nobody is around? No cameras? Take it. You might hit lucky and the owner wont have it barred. You can always find buyers either way though.

Also, invest in some tools. Learn to pick locks.

If you haven't read them, Th0r's 'Criminal Rules' are a good place to start.

Be careful out there, and good luck.

[paid2kill]

I really want a car so robbing a house seems pretty ethical since I want cash. I've been thinking a lot lately on places that have a lot of cash on hand to rob but nothing comes to mind. I read most of the articles in the "In the News" thread which were all interesting.

So I'm looking for a good way to steal some cash still.

[Th0r]

I'm not going to delve into this any further but how can you possibly see robbing a house as ethical?

I'm also going to suggest that you attempt to make the $10,000 in a legal, sustainable way. Whilst this is about Nonnormative Economics I also feel this is wholly unrealistic.

[Day_N_Night]

But in all seriousness, you don't need 10k in a month if it's just for a car. Rather than do something stupid and dangerous, commit small crimes over a longer period of time.

Bingo, Thats key. Remember the story about the Tortoise and the Hare? Same principle right here, if you spread your crimes out over a longer period of time you run less chance of getting caught and making silly mistakes.

Here is my 2 cents though. When its dark and not many people are outside, find a person who happens to be out at that godly hour. Walk Behind said person and put a gun(Doesnt have to be real or even loaded) to the back of their head and your arm around their neck.

Make sure you're near an atm when you do this, you'll have to march them over to it and make them withdraw all the money they possibly can which i think the daily limit is 1k.

You must be wearing a balcalva/ski mask aswell so as to not be indentifiable by the victim, a camera or any passerbies.

Once you're done that, take their wallet and cellphone and dump them in some woods or whatever.

[paid2kill]

Alright but on another note what our places which keep lots of cash on hand?

[johnkimble]

Seeing as your "paid2kill" answer should be simple

[paid2kill]

Used the name for a lot of video games but I have considered it.

[Th0r]

Used the name for a lot of video games but I have considered it.

You're 15/16. Most adults couldn't kill another human being. Not to mention if you murder someone, you get money and buy a car what will your mother say?

The words - "Where the fuck did you get that money from?" come to mind, somehow. Not to mention I am certain that you will be caught and spend a good portion of your life on the inside.

I don't care if you're joking. It's not funny, it's ridiculous.

[Raverous]

edit.

[odin_dax]

Considering robbing a house is ethical to you in cases of personal greed, I'd have no problem shooting you, or anyone else like you, if ever came in my house and threatened my safety for no other reason than ridding the world of one warped-thinking, dipshit kid. Hopefully, you come into Raverous' or mine before you have kids. The world doesn't need you having any offspring.

[nobody2000]

Your name is "paid2kill" and you're looking for advice how to scam 10k???

WHOA lookout for the badass that just joined rorta!!!

Video games or not, you appear toolish.

The problem with asking for help about performing scams is that it means that probably the scam's been done before.

And the more a scam's been done, the harder it is to execute.

Creativity and research are your friends. You need to observe and evaluate weaknesses, value, etc.

One scam that a lot of people haven't caught on to yet is the metal scrapyard scam. What sorts of metal can you steal and bring to a yard to get cash??? What sorts of metal can you steal that people won't think about going to a scrapyard to retrieve (no one cares about their metal gutters so much they'd go to the scrapyard to investigate...hell...if you steal now, people won't realize they're gone until spring).

Cameras in stores, RFID alarms, etc. Perfume and cologne goes for about $40+ per 3 oz bottle on average. Take the jar out of the flimsy box and voila! No security tag. You could make $400 in one trip with big pockets and quick hands and good cover.

Here's a good one if you're moderately in shape: go to a local venue for musicians, like a big bar or something, and hang out there most nights of the week. You could score a kickass amp or guitar that might bring you $1000. Most bands have so much shit to carry, and have no roadies, they take multiple trips, and leave shit unattended for a minute...that's all you need. Cymbals are easy money (new hihats go for $400. They're 14" in diameter!), as are guitars. However, you're an asshole if you do this.

I think maybe you should just get a job. You're on a fucking internet postboard trying to find out how to start crime? You're already not fit for it. Remember, if you do the crime, you gotta be willing to do the time, and I doubt you're the type that would even survive county.

[paid2kill]

...thanks for more ideas. I'm still thinking on this.

[death11284]

I would just get a decent car for cheap...
If you spend 2k you can get a 90s civic or accord...
with a car you can make a lot more money a lot faster...

Find a job at some obscure place that pays well...though I will say at 15 it's hard to get hired at a decent job. Work at a pizza place or restaurant as a cashier...steal $5-10 out of the register every shift..a small place with no cameras.

[ZionBlack]

Two words Crack Cocaine. ive personnally met kids who started selling ata very young age and are now teenage Millionaires.

[Th0r]

Two words Crack Cocaine. ive personnally met kids who started selling ata very young age and are now teenage Millionaires.

I'm going to say this before you get flamed. That's bull.

Very young age? What, two or thirteen? Maybe if they were 18 and earned a few K here and there from selling Crack and other drugs I could believe you but teenage millionaires...

[Mr.A]

Two words Crack Cocaine. ive personnally met kids who started selling ata very young age and are now teenage Millionaires.

I've known kids that started at a very young age too. Now their dead or locked up. Doing this :crying:

Before you go kicking in doors looking for an easy score try to keep in mind that if you did this to my house I would shoot you in the head and dump your body in the ocean. I'm not the only one. Other than that I have no advice that hasn't already been posted either in this thread or in another.

Ditto, actually come to think of it, anyone coming onto my property unnounced is probably gunna get a harsh welcome. Call me first, pricks.

[thief]

Two words Crack Cocaine. ive personnally met kids who started selling ata very young age and are now teenage Millionaires.

hahahahahahahahahaha... you have met kids who became millionaires by selling crack... hahahahaha. Any credibility you might have had up to this point is now gone.

[Æhµ]

Buy coke, rock it up, sell it on the streets. Believe it, in the US that's a fast track to stacking. Can also earn you a stiff (14-15 for first timers) stretch, although they did recently pass the crack amendment. (you would only get 8-10 yrs off the bat)

Crack or any drug dealing has one major drawback, you WILL be ratted on by some punk ass bitch.

You're better off working on your job skills and making business contacts, hard work and playing it smart pays off better in the long run. And I'm sorry for being so preachy in this post it's truly not like my usual devious demeanor.

[MrMinister]

I like your first suggestion better.

Shit man that is actually a very good idea. But you are right, that is completely fucked. What you say we hit Jack Rabbits or Square One next weekend and pull it off?



Here's a good one if you're moderately in shape: go to a local venue for musicians, like a big bar or something, and hang out there most nights of the week. You could score a kickass amp or guitar that might bring you $1000. Most bands have so much shit to carry, and have no roadies, they take multiple trips, and leave shit unattended for a minute...that's all you need. Cymbals are easy money (new hihats go for $400. They're 14" in diameter!), as are guitars. However, you're an asshole if you do this.

[Mr.A]

Buy coke, rock it up, sell it on the streets. Believe it, in the US that's a fast track to stacking. Can also earn you a stiff (14-15 for first timers) stretch, although they did recently pass the crack amendment. (you would only get 8-10 yrs off the bat)

Crack or any drug dealing has one major drawback, you WILL be ratted on by some punk ass bitch.

You're better off working on your job skills and making business contacts, hard work and playing it smart pays off better in the long run. And I'm sorry for being so preachy in this post it's truly not like my usual devious demeanor.

Thats almost the big problem with any good idea. Somebodies always got to open their mouth and ruin it for you. Snitches are the worst. You should try getting a j.o.b. I hear thats a effective way to make some cash.

[MrMinister]

Buy coke, rock it up, sell it on the streets.

Believe it or not 99%+ that sell crack don't cook it. Most will buy them typically in precut rocks. A small percentage of those will buy them in sheets, or cookies (usually depends on the size of the beaker or whatever they use vs the size being bought - i.e. an ounce *could* be about a 1/16"-1/8" and I'd say the size of a deck of cards but a little longer). A very good friend of mine was in the game for 10+ years and had cooked maybe 3 times just to try it, he swore he would never do it again.


Can also earn you a stiff (14-15 for first timers) stretch, although they did recently pass the crack amendment. (you would only get 8-10 yrs off the bat)

Must depend where you're at, my "buddy" has been down twice for it, first time got probation, second time caught only 18 months. One thing though, it differs when you get into weight. An ounce of coke is automatic trafficking regardless of if it's in multiple bags/rocks(soft/hard) or on the table while you sniff lines. Add a pistol and it becomes Armed Trafficking a PunByLife crime (stay away). Luckily at least here people selling will general hand rocks out unbagged, possibly keeping them in pillbottle, cigarette pack(of coarse tossed behind the corner store with othr legit trash so if he's searched they dont find shit) or (buddies favorite) a film container with cotton inside to prevent breakage of rocks(chips are a BITCH to sell he said) and the top blacked out with a marker to make the container all black and hard to see if he has to toss it.

Crack or any drug dealing has one major drawback, you WILL be ratted on by some punk ass bitch.


My *buddy* was popped once by a CI in a controlled buy. This is very true, you will get set up at some point. If this happens the MAJOR evidence is the "marked" money (which in *his* experience is just bills that have their serial numbers recorded ahead of time(photocopy i think, hmm maybe you could beat it by claiming it's a crime to "counterfiet"..use the forbidden fruit agruement.....something to think about but anyway). They get a basser, depending on how it's being sold, on a stroll you will be dealing with bassers you have never seen before sometimes, you got to, there are 4 other niggers on the stroll racing to the car, you wanna get paid you either take a chance or take a bigger chance shortstopping them by posting up at the beginning of the street and catching them before they can hit the true "spot"....hehehehe this is an effective method but is a unwritten rule not to do). This is the most vunerable because an undercover cop can be used, but mostly a confidential informant , usually a basser that was caught with dope they scare him, have him sign some forms and give him marked money, they (are supposed to) be able to see them the whole time(chain of custody) and once you make the deal they rush you and when they find the money on you they can prove you made the deal. If it's a CI and you were lucky enough to hide/lose the marked money you have a VERY good chance of beating it unless the inside of the car has a camera(you will find out when your lawyer calls for discovery). IF they film you from down the road fuck them, it only shows you handed something to him you dont have to prove what it was, THEY do.


That being said, don't fuck with it. It's more work than it's worth, yeah you can make a decent amount of money, but 10k in a month? Not starting out.

Sell pain meds instead, more profit margin just harder to re-up when you are out, get them scripted to you so you are bullet proof while carrying them, make money just dont use them, if you do invite me over though- I'd love to sniff an oscar with ya.