Guns vs. Knife

[MrKant]

Personally, I'm a knives man.
Although both are easily accesible, I prefer the feeling of a knife in my hand.
There is nothing more fun than watching someone squirm in terror from the glint of a knife. Besides, Knife kills are slower, more personal. Guns are too loud, and obnoxious. There's no feeling in them. They don't give the victim the last moments before they die like a knife does.

Obviously, choose the right weapon for the right job. If your facing multiple hostiles, or you need to remove someone from 1200 yards away, whip out the steel.

But anyways, your preference?

[Th0r]

I don't carry a handgun [Or any other gun as a matter of fact.] or a knife with me in public, so I'm left with no choice but to say niether.

[torcher]

i carry both at all times. i can say that it all depends on the situation, but it will usually be my gun.
if i just got robbed and the fucker is running, im gonna pull my sidearm out and cap his ass.
and if someone pulls a knife, im going for my gun. its usually just going to be an intimidation tool because if someone realizes they dont have the upper hand they will be more likely to stop what they're doing and surrender.

[MrKant]

I don't carry a handgun [Or any other gun as a matter of fact.] or a knife with me in public,

You should start.

i carry both at all times.
Good man!

if i just got robbed and the fucker is running, im gonna pull my sidearm out and cap his ass.

Learn to use throwing knives.
You would be surprised how much enjoyment one can get from removing a knife from the lower back of a scumbag.

[Th0r]

You should start.


Please revise the gun laws in the United Kingdom, where I live.

[.VX]

I usually carry a knife on me, and if guns were legal for me to pocess in Aus, I wouldn't carry one.

[crazy white guy]

Its only legal to carry a 2.5 inch or smaller knife unless its easily visible in Canada. I always have that, no matter where I am. Since its completely absurd for me to carry a firearm, I have to choose knife. Sometimes I carry my 7 inch switch if I'm in a dangerous area and expect very little authoritative presence.

[MrKant]

Please revise the gun laws in the United Kingdom, where I live.

Almost all of the weapons I own are highly illegal; even more so to carry, concealed or otherwise. Hasn't stopped me yet.

Up until recently, I carried my Kershaw Combat Boot Knife, my beatiful 11" pearl handled italian stiletto, and a Beretta M9A1(with Military Specifications).

...Yeah, I live around a lot of niggers.

[torcher]

Learn to use throwing knives.

if i was to throw a knife it probably wouldnt be worth plucking from the guy.

i carry my Ruger P345pr and my Gerber Paraframe.

the knife laws here are that if it is a folding knife the blade has to be under 3inches. if its a fixed blade it must be in a sheath and have a blade length less than 10inches.

[Acid44]

unless its easily visible

really? so would i be okay to walk around with a 6 inch dagger then if it was strapped to my arm or something out in the open?

[crazy white guy]

really? so would i be okay to walk around with a 6 inch dagger then if it was strapped to my arm or something out in the open?

Yes. As long as it does not have more than one finger hole it it. Police can still confiscate if you dont have a reasonable reason to use it. I used to work at a grocery store so I could say I have it to open boxes, now I have no such excuse so I cant carry openly. If you say 'self defense' they will probably just tell you to stop carrying it but they cant really stop it. I think there might be age restrictions but I have never been told of them when I have been stopped by police. The Canadian law fact sheets are confusing and its hard to tell for sure.

[FAZEone]

Learn to use throwing knives.
You would be surprised how much enjoyment one can get from removing a knife from the lower back of a scumbag.

Throwing knives are very impractical, anyway you'd have to be a master to utilise that skill in any fight. VX, since you're also Aussie, are there any restrictions on blade length of a knife? I know folding knives are permitted to be carried on person in AUS.

[Th0r]

Almost all of the weapons I own are highly illegal; even more so to carry, concealed or otherwise. Hasn't stopped me yet.

Up until recently, I carried my Kershaw Combat Boot Knife, my beatiful 11" pearl handled italian stiletto, and a Beretta M9A1(with Military Specifications).

...Yeah, I live around a lot of niggers.

I never said I don't own weapons, only if I carried a gun around with me I'd get arrested sooner or later.

Also please keep the racism to a minimum.

[7eleven mafia]

well due to my age i only carry a concealed Gerber para frame( 3inch), but as soon as i turn 18 i hope to get a 1911, unless obama messes it up, then at 21 i hope to get a concealed weapons permit to carry it.

[.VX]

Throwing knives are very impractical, anyway you'd have to be a master to utilise that skill in any fight. VX, since you're also Aussie, are there any restrictions on blade length of a knife? I know folding knives are permitted to be carried on person in AUS.

If you're under 18 you can't purchase anything. If you're over 18 (or have a friend/relative who is) then you can buy flick knives from fishing shops and the likes (most of them clearly aren't intended for fishing). I think you need an easily obtainable permit to purchase fixed blade knives with the blade being over six inches, and flick knives usually don't come any bigger than that anyway. Join the National Knife club if you want to buy +six inch bladed knives.

[FAZEone]

In some markets 16 is ok to buy knives here.
Flick knives are definitely prohibited to be carried on person, without a permit. Why is there a need for a knife to be 6 inches or over anyway. It makes it more easily noticed and less portable.

[7eleven mafia]

where i live i can legally buy any kind of knife that i want

[FAZEone]

where i live i can legally buy any kind of knife that i want

Where's that?

[.VX]

Where's that?

Amerikkka.

Anyway, when, if ever, I get some money together, I'm going to buy a good quality, fixed blade combat knife.

[FAZEone]

That sucks, I would of thought Amerika would have stricter laws regarding weapons.

I just noticed you used 5 commas in that sentence VX...:Eyecrazy:

[.VX]

That sucks, I would of thought Amerika would have stricter laws regarding weapons.

I just noticed you used 5 commas in that sentence VX...:Eyecrazy:

Americans can have anything less than an aussalt rifle pretty much.

On Rorta I tend to write the that I'd speak in conversation, so it doesn't always come out grammatically correct.

[torcher]

actually in the US you can legally own a handgun at the age of 18. but you cant buy it from a retailer or carry it unless you're 21.

semi automatic assault rifles are completely legal. fully automatic weapons require a permit issued by the state you live in.

here's a picture of me with a fully legal AK-47

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/108/l_7d18bbeb8a323ddaec712c0dd4cae2b3.jpg

[7eleven mafia]

unfortunately thanks to obama it looks as if another assault weapons ban will get pushed through, hopefully not passing, as well as more taxes on ammunition, and serial numbered bullets, and casings



and on the topic of this thread a gun always beats a knife under normal circumstances hands down, there are special ones but they are rare at best

Where's that?

Michigan in the U.S.A

[thief]

The whole Gun vs. Knife thing is based on the correct tool for the job.

I like both but it would depend on what I needed for the elimination, hurt or scare of the mark.

[.VX]

actually in the US you can legally own a handgun at the age of 18. but you cant buy it from a retailer or carry it unless you're 21.


Can't you carry a concealed gun at 14 in Texas if you have a Driver's license?

[icharianchem]

i usually carry a Buck 119 Special and a SAK Spartan. The buck is for scaring people and heavy tasks, the SAk is for everything else. To be honest I'd prefer a gun. I plan on keeping a sawed off in my car but thats hugely illegal. Of the three knife fights ive been in. (Count em, three. You will find that knife fights are hugely unlikely) It seems that whoever gets their knife clear first is going to win. All of these fights have been over in less than two minutes, if that, baring a few stand-off type situations. Keeping that in mind the ideal fighting knife that you could conceivably carry about in your pocket would be a decent sized stiletto switch, anything Fank Beltrame. Baring a switch I'd get the Cold Steel TI-Lite

[MrKant]

Throwing knives are very impractical, anyway you'd have to be a master to utilise that skill in any fight.


I have no problem utilizing them...
Practice, practice.

Anyway, when, if ever, I get some money together, I'm going to buy a good quality, fixed blade combat knife.

Get a Fairbairn-Sykes.

The whole Gun vs. Knife thing is based on the correct tool for the job.

Obviously, choose the right weapon for the right job.

and on the topic of this thread a gun always beats a knife under normal circumstances hands down, there are special ones but they are rare at best

False. A well trained blade-user will most likely defeat your average hood who just knows how to pull a trigger.

[thief]

False. A well trained blade-user will most likely defeat your average hood who just knows how to pull a trigger.

Your saying that choosing the correct tool for the job is false???
What fucking planet are you on?

[icharianchem]

OK lets do a little polling here. Who here has been in a fight where they used a knife? Ok now who has fought another person with a knife? And which one of you is the bad motherfucker who cut the guy with the gun? Not you? then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Yeah i play with knives and yeah on rare occasions I've used them and once on a guy with a gun. Ended up being a pellet gun but I got lucky. But on average that is not what is going to happen. Bring a knife to a gunfight and you will get shot

[torcher]

Can't you carry a concealed gun at 14 in Texas if you have a Driver's license?

nope

A person commits an offense under the statute if a child gains access to a readily dischargeable firearm and the person, with criminal negligence:
(1) failed to secure the firearm; or
(2) left the firearm in a place to which the person knew or should have known the child would gain access.

Under this statute a "child" is someone under the age of seventeen (?46.13(a)(1)).

[MrKant]

Your saying that choosing the correct tool for the job is false???
What fucking planet are you on?

ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?
I've said TWICE Obviously, choose the right weapon for the right job.


Read thoroughly before posting please.

Who here has been in a fight where they used a knife?
I have.

And which one of you is the bad motherfucker who cut the guy with the gun?
I have. And I'm hardly a badass.

Bring a knife to a gunfight and you will get shot

We're talking self-defense here, old chum.
We're not talking Hollywood gun battles.

[icharianchem]

I understand I just dont want people to get the idea that because the can twirl a knife around they can handle it in a fight. Dont get me wrong it'll help but practicing and doing are hugely different. And guns usually can take a knife even on accident

[torcher]

thats the same with a gun too. i know people who can swing a gun around like some shit out of the old western movies but they cant put a round on target from 20 yards.

everything is practice, practice, practice. just make sure to practice all the aspects of the skill you're trying to gain.

[thief]

ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?
I've said TWICE

Ah got you. Yes sorry... im am.:dunce:

[Th0r]

MrKant - Keep the flaming to a minimum please.

[MrKant]

Ah got you. Yes sorry... im am
Much Love.

MrKant - Keep the flaming to a minimum please.
Sincerest apologies.

everything is practice, practice, practice. just make sure to practice all the aspects of the skill you're trying to gain.
Fact.
Throwing knives, while undoubtably hard to master, once mastered, make for an incredibly valuable skill.
Trust me.

[FAZEone]

I recently got a cheap small knife from some markets, it's alright for its price and all, definitely not the best knife you'll see though.
I'll post a pic later.

Edit here: http://i33.tinypic.com/2ry0bhc.jpg

[Acid44]

Yes. As long as it does not have more than one finger hole it it. Police can still confiscate if you dont have a reasonable reason to use it. I used to work at a grocery store so I could say I have it to open boxes, now I have no such excuse so I cant carry openly. If you say 'self defense' they will probably just tell you to stop carrying it but they cant really stop it. I think there might be age restrictions but I have never been told of them when I have been stopped by police. The Canadian law fact sheets are confusing and its hard to tell for sure.

that cool, "age restrictions" in canada always means 18+ anyways :p so that's no biggie, useful bit of info for me there though, thanks

[Raverous]

edit.

[Lord Indie]

Fact.
Throwing knives, while undoubtably hard to master, once mastered, make for an incredibly valuable skill.
Trust me.

Yes I agree that it is valuable even though I myself haven't even thrown a knife before.
It can be good for a silent kill from a distance.
However, I think it will be hard to master.

[johnkimble]

if i just got robbed and the fucker is running, im gonna pull my sidearm out and cap his ass.

sounds like a bad idea

[Th0r]

sounds like a bad idea

If you are going to post something like that do explain.

[johnkimble]

If you are going to post something like that do explain.

If you shot him as he was running away wouldnt you be the one who gets arrested?

[FAZEone]

Only if you got caught.

[REL0AD]

Only if you got caught.
Helpfull...

I'd pick a gun over a knife any day, simply because you get to distance yourself from the victim... Also handy if you don't like getting blood on yourself.

~Reload...

[Virus]

Learn to use throwing knives.
You would be surprised how much enjoyment one can get from removing a knife from the lower back of a scumbag.

I do believe we have a schizophrenic here.

If you are going to post something like that do explain.

As fucked up as it is, if someone is retreating and not a threat to you, you can't shoot.

[Saturday]

I am a firm believer that people carrying guns are more likely to be shot. However, I do not believe that people carrying knives are more likely to be stabbed.

I carry two knives on me, usually at all times. I carry a box-cutter with a slighly longer blade than normal (3"). I also carry some sort of sodering tool I found left by a train technician, which is basically an extremely high-quality screwdriver handle with an ice-pick like extension (pointed at the end).

The box-cutter is a slasher, meant for defense. Keep it on my belt at all times. This is basically for non-lethal defensive attacks. It produces scary lacerations that cause instant pain and a lot of bleeding, but they can also be extremely deadly if used around the neck.
The sodering tool is more of an offensive/last resort kind of weapon I keep around in case I need to take someone down with a quick strike (most likely what I would try to use if caught bringing a knife to a gun fight).
But saying "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" is like saying "don't bring a pencil to a knife fight." There is always going to be one level higher of preparedness and security, but you need to find your comfort level.
Having a gun on you while being robbed at gunpoint may give you an opporunity to shoot the robber and get away, but it also increases the chances that this person will shoot you, seeing that you have a gun and are capable of hurting him severely if you see him again.
I am more the type of person to cooperate while being robbed, simulatanously relaxing and trying to remember everything I can. Then, I take the appropriate steps to either get them arrested or get back at them my way (which will be a hell of a lot better planned than a simple armed robbery).

[Saturday]

Also, throwing knives are a little silly. You have to be fucking amazing with them for them to be anything short of a comlete blunder.

Think about it... Most throwing knives don't have especially long blades, so they stick into someone (assuming you've thrown it hard enough, the blade ends up forward upon contact, and you hit a soft area without bones to block penetration) but don't neccessarily go in far enough to be lethal. Also, there are only a few places where one could throw a knife for it to kill someone. Also, throwing knives are a lot to carry around if you aren't expecting a duel, or planning on barely missing your assistant in a magic show. ALSO, if you fuck up the throw, you are alerting someone that you are trying to kill them, while also tossing them a weapon.
Guns are always going to be better if you are not considering discretion and legality, especially because many guns make great weapons even once they are out of bullets. I would rather have an empty shotgun or rifle than a buckknife in a fight.

[Tarnak]

Personally, I'm a knives man.
Although both are easily accesible, I prefer the feeling of a knife in my hand.
There is nothing more fun than watching someone squirm in terror from the glint of a knife. Besides, Knife kills are slower, more personal. Guns are too loud, and obnoxious. There's no feeling in them. They don't give the victim the last moments before they die like a knife does.

Obviously, choose the right weapon for the right job. If your facing multiple hostiles, or you need to remove someone from 1200 yards away, whip out the steel.

But anyways, your preference?

What the fuck are you smoking?

1.) Guns feel much better than knives in your hand because they are much more powerful. The realization of the utter power you are holding makes your dick feel MUCH bigger than any samurai sword could.

2.) Guns are terrifyingly loud. When they're being shot at you it makes you want to run in a hole and hide. If you get shot half the effect is OMG im shot and the other half is OMG that was really fucking loud i cant think. No feeling in them? There's nothing but feeling.

3.) Guns very easily can give the victim the last moments before they die depending on where you shoot them. In fact, most gunshot wounds aren't immediately fatal. If you're so concerned about this, aim for the femoral... even if you miss and hit the groin you'll still get to see someone bleed out.

4.) Guns inflict massive instant wounding. Knives nick.

There's really no comparison.

Edit: Seriously though, have you ever carried a piece around?


But saying "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" is like saying "don't bring a pencil to a knife fight." There is always going to be one level higher of preparedness and security, but you need to find your comfort level.
Having a gun on you while being robbed at gunpoint may give you an opporunity to shoot the robber and get away, but it also increases the chances that this person will shoot you, seeing that you have a gun and are capable of hurting him severely if you see him again.

I would much rather have a gun and shoot the robber.

I agree with you that guns can cause their owners to get shot... but not in that case. Show me a situation where someone shot someone who was robbing them and i'll show you 10 where a robber shot an unarmed person for no reason.

Guns cause their owners to get shot because the owners feel all badass and start stepping up to people they shouldn't step up to who, guess what, are also packing.

[Tarnak]

Iv carried my 1911 with me on occasion and I once pulled it on a man who tried to mug me with a knife. I bet he was expecting me to squirm in terror at the sight of his 2 inch blade, instead he found himself staring down a barrel at a .45ACP.(well, he probably couldn't see the bullet since it was dark..) He may have very well shit his pants while running away screaming "Don't shoot me white boy!"

Hahaha fucking awesome

[Wayland]

There is a very good expression: "don't bring a knife to a gunfight".

A knife is a thing that a juvenile hooligan regards to be a weapon. They're only suitable for use against the unarmed and witlessly impotent to defend themselves. If the enemy is psychologically capable of self-defense - worse yet, if they're armed to boot - you can count on a struggle, likely with you being wounded in the process. Stealthy knife attacks are a crapshoot; you are not a ninja, you are not Mister Rogers in Vietnam.

My views are pretty much the same as Tarnak's. Needless to say, I have no confidence in knives as weapons whatsoever.They're tools for handiwork. If I've got a knife, and I'm facing an enemy, I'll flee; possibly using the knife in a "fuck off" capacity. Also, please keep in mind that your greatest weapon is your mind, your situational awareness. Even the best gun is nothing more than a trump card up your sleeve: if you don't know how to play blackjack, the trump is worthless to you.

[Saturday]

Yeah maybe, but the closer you get to someone, the more a knife is valuable. Still, I would rather be carrying the gun versus someone with a knife, even in a small elevator, but a knife is much more than a tool for handiwork just like a gun is more than a tool for shooting bottles off of a fence.

[Abrazaderas]

knives are essentially for killing someone in my book, as far as using it on someone goes. certainly not for fighting.

paramedics say: the loser of a knife fight dies at the scene. the winner dies in the ambulance.

[Twist]

Fuck man the knife! All the fucken way.

[Bahr]

Heres my professional opinion. Any one who knows me knows that i'm a knife person through and through. But if im standing off to a mother fucker with a knife. And I have a choice between a knife or a gun, i'll take the gun with out even thinking about it. Hell a baseball bat would be better than a knife as far as your own safety. You can distance yourself more from your attacker and still inflict a ton of damage. But, if your in an area where you cant have guns and want a good self defense knife. Here are some suggestions. For one, throwing knifes have been mentioned. I have practiced quite a lot with throwing knives here recently. I would not recommended them because theres too many variables to how effective they are.
Such as if their too light, if it just nicks a bone, such as a rib bone. It will be deflected or completely stop. It'll hurt a bit, but probably just piss them off more. Or if you have a good throwing knife/knives even if your the best in the world. If they move the slightest bit the blade travels slower than a bullet, You can completely miss. Or just give them a another weapon. If your going to fight with a knife try these.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r212/trae_berryhill/SANY0434.jpg

I have no idea what kind of knife it is, But it has a really thick and heavy curved blade. Its some sort of steel I'm not sure what kind at the moment but it's not stainless and hold a hell of a edge. the blade is 6 inches, 4 inch handle, 10 overall. The heavy curved blade is perfect for swinging and slashing, it will easily crack bones along with leaving deep and deadly gashes. The thing I don't like is the smooth wood handle, if it gets wet or bloody it may be hard to keep a grip on. I'll update on the make of the knife when I find out myself.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r212/trae_berryhill/SANY0429.jpg

Aside from the small throwing knives on the top right any of these knives will do fine. All though the big ass trench knife stuck between the brass knuckles would be hard to conceal. If you want info on any of those knives check out my knife guide and if I haven't added the one your looking at to my guide just ask and I'll update it.

[aurum est potestas]

I believe the term for that type of blade is a "bolo" knife. IIRC they are characterized by having wider curving blades that curve inward like that. I think Bahr, the dynamite in the top right corner would be a much more effective weapon, you know, light the fuse throw the brick at them, wait a few seconds for the fuse to hit the blasting cap, and voila no more bad guy.

[Saturday]

what the fuck is that directlty to the left of the curiously red "dynamite" you have there. Not the hunting knife with the camo grip, the big thing that you can only see the blad of leaning against the wall. Looks like some sort of sword or stylized machete

[Bahr]

I believe the term for that type of blade is a "bolo" knife. IIRC they are characterized by having wider curving blades that curve inward like that. I think Bahr, the dynamite in the top right corner would be a much more effective weapon, you know, light the fuse throw the brick at them, wait a few seconds for the fuse to hit the blasting cap, and voila no more bad guy.

Thats the problem i'm having. That style of knife has a ton of different names for it. Theres some you can buy for $15 and other ones you can buy for $600 depending on what it is. I'm working on finding the exact make of it, where it was made. And what it was used for. It could be just an old style cane knife for all I know.

Saterday it's just a show knife. You can see it here, right below the dynamite laying down.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r212/trae_berryhill/newweaponpics002.jpg

Edit: You asked about the red dynamite. We actually get it in gray. I painted it red. Thats the good thing about being a farmer, we can legally get dynamite for blowing out tree stumps and dams. Although only in small amounts every few years. And its really not even dynamite. It's much more stable, and you have to have a very hard to get license to get it. I actually cannot legally buy it yet. But I know one person who can, and thats all that matters.

[Prof.potassium]

knifes! use the WASP injector knife model A/12-N
http://www.waspknife.com
fill a person with a freezing cold ball of compressed CO2 the size of a basketball at 800psi nearly instantly.
downside it cost 400$

[Saturday]

I am kind of confused about what someone looks like when they have a ball of frozen air, the size of a basketball, inside of their chest...

What would happen if you stabbed someone in the neck with this thing? Also, is this illegal to carry and/or is is classified differently than normal knives, etc. I would be interested to see if there is a propelled application of this; like a dartgun that has CO2 cartridges with a needle on the end.

[DirtySanchez]

I have no problem utilizing them...
Practice, practice.



Get a Fairbairn-Sykes.







False. A well trained blade-user will most likely defeat your average hood who just knows how to pull a trigger.

This has to be one of the most retarded statements Ive seen on here. I don't care how well trained someone is I can guarantee you I could beat any knife user with a gun. it's called distance. If you throw the knife and miss than your fucked as well because guns hold more than 1 bullet.

[Abrazaderas]

the only chance a person with a knife has is if the thug sticks the gun in his back, and he reacts instantly, as in under a quarter of a second, gets the gun pointed away from him and draws the knife in the next half-second, and in the last quarter of that second the knife is in his throat or heart or lungs or something like that.

unless you can do that, you had better hope you're just really fucking lucky.

and you can't do that unless you're... i don't know, KGB? james bond? luke skywalker? generic mountain top shaolin grandmaster?

[_JT_]

the only chance a person with a knife has is if the thug sticks the gun in his back, and he reacts instantly, as in under a quarter of a second, gets the gun pointed away from him and draws the knife in the next half-second, and in the last quarter of that second the knife is in his throat or heart or lungs or something like that.

unless you can do that, you had better hope you're just really fucking lucky.

and you can't do that unless you're... i don't know, KGB? james bond? luke skywalker? generic mountain top shaolin grandmaster?

I can't say for sure what I WOULD do, only what I know how to do and hope to God I'd be able to if I needed to... but in that situation, I personally wouldn't even bother drawing the knife. My priority would be taking control of the firearm and then most likely, using that.

A gun sticking directly in your back (or the back of your head, even better) is quite a good situation to be in, strange as it might sound. You can feel exactly where the weapon is, and your opponent no longer has the luxury of distance to take a nice calm shot at you. With enough speed and aggression you increase your odds of success dramatically.

Of course, if you want to avoid a dangerous struggle you would need to practice, train hard at a reputable school and put the effort in.

[-=HeX=-]

As for that CO2 knife thing, well, want to know what it does if inserted into your chest?

Blows a nice, basketball sized fuck-off hole in it. Thats what.

I personally prefer the good old Glock 17, as it is reliable as fuck and easy to use. But carrying aint too clever when all of a sudden you have every cop in town searchin your ass every day or two!

Instead, cycling a bicycle and carrying a CO2 Tyre inflator with a few modifications may save your ass. Remove the hose-to-tyre attachment thing and install a short barrel that just so happens to be sharp and 'syringe tipped', about 6-7mm bore. Paper patch a lead or steel ball and push it in, and 'sheath' the thing with the hose you removed.

Viola. Now you have a lovely 'gun' that holds one shot... And, it could double (in close) as a 'knife' or, stab then fire... You get the CO2 knife effect, a stab wound, and a hole in one!

[Mauser]

a person who throws knives extremely effectively can kill and can defeat a person who uses a gun on the simple fact that most people that carry guns aren't as skilled as the said knife thrower and if the person hypothetically uses a pistol. the knife thrower vs the gun user really depends on who gets off the first shot and that could go either way. Though the moment you discount a knife thrower your stupid. I've seen people get knives inches into wood blocks.

You also do not in fact have to be james bond and it isn't easy. Though not impossible and is a skill one could easily learn from books and practice. I imagine it doesn't take a genius to learn how if your dedicated. Its like a bow and arrow how hard is it really? Probably not at all.

[_JT_]

Its like a bow and arrow how hard is it really? Probably not at all.

Harder than you might think, actually! I would love to be good at archery because it's awesome, but I suck... can't hit a cow's arse with a shovel :-P

I've never actually tried throwing a knife having not owned a suitable one for the job, but I imagine I would suck pretty badly at that, too. I did a few years of ninjutsu waaaay long ago, and had moderate success with straight and 4-point shuriken, but they're little cunts to throw. Maybe I'll give it a shot some day, just to add it to the list of "stuff I can do" if nothing else!

[Abrazaderas]

a person who throws knives extremely effectively can kill and can defeat a person who uses a gun on the simple fact that most people that carry guns aren't as skilled as the said knife thrower and if the person hypothetically uses a pistol. the knife thrower vs the gun user really depends on who gets off the first shot and that could go either way. Though the moment you discount a knife thrower your stupid. I've seen people get knives inches into wood blocks.

You also do not in fact have to be james bond and it isn't easy. Though not impossible and is a skill one could easily learn from books and practice. I imagine it doesn't take a genius to learn how if your dedicated. Its like a bow and arrow how hard is it really? Probably not at all.

mauser... i am disappoint.

[BOHYHOB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkLXdLgOybE

'nuff said

[Mauser]

mauser... i am disappoint.

I understand but I'm just saying its probably not as difficult as made out to be if learned properly. I'm not saying they are the bomb.

[iceniner]

This kind of misinformation annoys the hell out of me when I see it.

I am a person who can throw and stick just about anything, or could at one time. One thing I liked was masonry drill bits, the long thin rods with a heavy thicker rod at one end to provide drill torque. I could stick them into walls with fairly small targets quite reliably.

Knife throwing is worthless as any sort of combat skill. In the real world, that is, and not in some Anarchist Cookbook fantasyland.

a person who throws knives extremely effectively can kill and can defeat a person who uses a gun on the simple fact that most people that carry guns aren't as skilled as the said knife thrower

Ludicrous.

1) At knife-throwing range a pistol requires very little skill to cause horrible wounds that are pretty much instantly fatal. This is simply not true whatsoever of thrown knives. It's my gut feeling that fatal wounds are rare from thrown knives, and immediately fatal or incapacitating wounds much rarer still.

2) A pistol can fire numerous times without requiring a reload. A knife can be thrown once before you have to redraw and then you are limited by the number of knives that you carry. Are you like filipino knife specialists who carry twelve knives on them?

Even if you are, consider why the filipinos prefer the use of the "indian pana" (dart-throwing zip gun) to knife throwing.

3) Without accounting for range, a knife has more than a 50% chance of doing zero damage even if it hits the target. There is probably only 25% chance of it doing anything above superficial damage, if that.

4) Even when accounting for range, a two-to-three foot change in distance by you or the target WILL change a damaging hit into a hit that does nothing.

5) It is difficult to throw reliably uphill or downhill because it messes up your muscle memory for distance calculations and required force.

6) ANY cover, even a cardboard box or piece of cloth, a jacket in the person's hand, will stop a knife throw. Meanwhile bullets go through such things like, well, a bullet through cardboard.

7) Perhaps most important, when you throw a knife, you've just discarded your only weapon, gambling it on the outcome of one throw, with the odds overwhelmingly against you. You even run the risk of arming your target.

It is almost impossible to judge distance in the dark or at night. Thrown knives are not only angle-sensitive, meaning that they can miss by throwing in a wrong angle, but they are distance-sensitive as well meaning that due to rotation they will not have any effect if the distance is wrong.

Compare to pistols which cause deadly wounds far beyond their "effective" range given lucky hits. Which are effective and cause deadly wounds throughout their engagement range without 75% dead space. Which refire again and again with nothing more than a trigger pull.

I understand but I'm just saying its probably not as difficult as made out to be if learned properly.
It is in fact much MORE difficult than it is made out to be. To "learn it properly" requires a huge investment of time and effort which could be spent mastering something more useful and effective. It is not all that much fun to practice. The skill degrades without constant practice. It is a fine motor skill meaning that it will degrade explosively under stress.

You are almost certainly better off rushing someone and stabbing [see 21 foot rule] rather than attempting a throw against someone armed with a gun. To say otherwise is just silly and is to propagate dangerous misinformation.

Why did you even bother?

That said, DirtySanchez is not entirely correct either though the schema within which he makes his error is more correct-- knives in the hand, not thrown, are more dangerous against a gun than one might think. Source: federal statistics on Tueller drill. The gist of it is that under 21 feet, a charging knifer wins against a non-drawn pistol. 21 feet is a surprisingly long distance. And that's with highly-trained FEDERAL OFFICERS performing the draw-and-fire drill. And within the effective range of a knife, that is to say contact range, a knifer will very likely make stab pulp out of a person armed with a pistol.

[-=HeX=-]

Aye, Tueller drill says to me that if the fuckers within 7 yards and has a blade, and I still have not drawn a weapon, tis time to retreat a fair bitta distance. Or put some obstacle between him and I to give me time to aim, etc.

I often wonder, some sources I have read cited that the Tueller is to 'draw, aim, fire'
What if you DONT aim and just plug away in the general direction til either the mags gone or they are? I know many people will do that if panicing.

[Mauser]

This kind of misinformation annoys the hell out of me when I see it.

I am a person who can throw and stick just about anything, or could at one time. One thing I liked was masonry drill bits, the long thin rods with a heavy thicker rod at one end to provide drill torque. I could stick them into walls with fairly small targets quite reliably.

Knife throwing is worthless as any sort of combat skill. In the real world, that is, and not in some Anarchist Cookbook fantasyland..

I forgot cause your amazing with both so you obviously know whats best. Knives can do considerable damage and shurikens are not killers and any person who gets stabbed deep with a knife will be able to work or move fast. Ever seen something get stabbed it loses almost of its strength immediately. A person who isn't skilled with a gun will miss every shot. Even a supposedly skilled guy will miss. If a knife thrower hits you full blast with a knife in the chest even if by some chance you shoot at me back and your stabbed like 3-5 inches deep. Lets see how fast you shoot and I said pretty clearly it depends on the circumstances not its awesome like Call Of Duty. I'm guessing you've never actually seen the damage knives can do. \

Though yeah in a draw off situation the gun always wins true; an arm isn't going to be as fast as a finger and you probably would be better just charging forward.

[iceniner]

That was the funniest thing yet. You're how old, twelve? When you learn how to spell, we can talk. Pro tip: there is a difference between "your" and "you're." My guess is I was throwing ten years before you were born. If not fifteen.

Anyone who claims to believe that thrown knives are superior in any way to pistols is either completely retarded or trolling.

[Mauser]

That was the funniest thing yet. You're how old, twelve? When you learn how to spell, we can talk. Pro tip: there is a difference between "your" and "you're." My guess is I was throwing ten years before you were born. If not fifteen.

Anyone who claims to believe that thrown knives are superior in any way to pistols is either completely retarded or trolling.

Maybe you didn't read what I said Nazi wannabe. Your probably trolling and not even fucking reading that I said circumstances are would make a knife a killer over a pistol. I also said that a gun is better in most situations.