Policing Rorta the Right Way

[Mr.A]

It seems lately, I've become more fed up with mistakes going unchanged and I've been more proactive about changing them:

I would like to see Rorta "fixed" to maximize its potential as an informative forum. I feel like its too polluted and too similar to other forums and experiences too many of the same problems that other forums experience.

Specifically, I'm referring to stupid ass people posting on Rorta. I realize that "stupid ass people" is highly subjective. However, it seems we all have a general idea of wtf I'm saying when I say that.

So with that last paragraph in mind I want you to consider this: What does everyone think of having a thread or system specifically for voting off users that we may think are fucking retards. I don't think anyone person should have the right to decide anything over anyone; most would agree...so lets make it democracy-like, vote.


Open up your minds and spill onto these forums the knowledge you so love to obtain!
Thank you for your time.

[Acid44]

democratic banning sounds like a pretty damn good idea to me, im for it...

[thief]

Sounds good. But then comes the question... how many votes does it take to get kicked out? 3 people... 5 people? Just asking.

[Mr.A]

The actual system would still need to be discussed further...I was just seeing if enough people would support the idea first.

Its clear to me that anyone would be up for the vote off. I would imagine it would go something along these lines:

1)Member breaks enough Rorta rules to be seriously considered for judgement. What deems "enough" I would still think needs discussion amongst members. Opinions on that please?

2)Member gets their own special thread with their own special poll AND their reasons for expulsion for other members to vote on. When a member votes they also give their reason in a post as to why the member should be expelled.<---Just so it helps to tie up any loose ends or doubts anyone was thinking.

3)Fate is decided after specified time (I think a month would be fair).

4)Mod deletes/locks thread. End of story, member/polluter is dismissed and IP ban enacted.:scared:


Allow me to be very very specific, I do not think this is the concrete way to do it. The actual process should still be outlined and agreed upon by everybody(maybe by vote). This is just a rough idea of what I think would and should happen.:clap:


I feel like this could seriously help Rorta and its "committed" members.


One more thing...Mods would be only ones allowed to post such trials.


Keep up the good work guys, lets make Rorta a better place to learn truths.

[odin_dax]

Mr. A, you're one of my favorite members here, but I have to disagree with you on this point. I don't think we should have a voting system for many reasons, and the fact that DD doesn't want one, well, it just isn't going to happen. It's a public forum, one with bots for web searches. We can't make such a forum elitist. Like you said, voting would be subjective. Yeah, there are a lot of idiots here, but there are a lot of people, probably a few anyway, that would say the same of me. When it comes down to a) a position you don't agree with, b) disagreement, c) flaming, d) cultural differences, e) language barriers and f) taking no value in the subject, then by what measuring stick do we use? As much as I've disagree or argued with anyone, I never pushed for anyone's ban. I only wish to ban trolls, spammers and liars (based on IP or multiple IDs, or BS-ing a subject).
Also, how many votes, as asked by thief?

I hope that clears it up. Since the owner of the board voted no, I see no reason to keep this thread unlocked, but I will keep it open until the end of the day for discussion, unless Th0r or someone else locks it before I do.

[odin_dax]

The actual system would still need to be discussed further...I was just seeing if enough people would support the idea first.

Its clear to me that anyone would be up for the vote off. I would imagine it would go something along these lines:

1)Member breaks enough Rorta rules to be seriously considered for judgement. What deems "enough" I would still think needs discussion amongst members. Opinions on that please?



I'm sure someone will raise the point... That is why we have forum rules and mods.

[Mr.A]

Thanks for the compliment Odin, to bounce one back to you, when only I spectated Rorta you were one of my favorite posters...probably because of your seemingly open-mindedness. You were one of the users who gave me hope that not all forums were either inhabited by power hungry mods with with huge e-penises or blubbering idiot cattle bumping into each other left and right trying to decided what was right and wrong. A very good example of one these forums was &T's, as I'm sure almost all of us understand what I mean by stating that.

Now to reply to your post:

You mentioned elitism...thats exactly what I want to help control. The concept of unpoliced leaders or moderators is elitist IMO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitism

The measuring stick, I hope and assume, would be the Rorta rules. Which may need to given values of some sort.

Your second post about rules and mods...to me, it just doesn't seem we could be doing as good as a job as we could be. I'm only trying to help.

Thanks again for all your time.

[7eleven mafia]

No rorta should not enact a voting system because of many reasons. The administrators and moderators are here on the forum to police it for a reason. This is not a democracy it's is run by a few elite people who decides who gets punished for breaking the rules on the forum. This is the way it is there is NO room for people to have a voting system. DoctaD, Stone, Dizzie, Odin, and Thor are all in place because the administrators appointed them because they need them too. This site is not funded by its users but its administrators, and with that they have the right to do what ever they want on the site and choose however they want to run it.

[odin_dax]

No rorta should not enact a voting system because of many reasons. The administrators and moderators are here on the forum to police it for a reason. This is not a democracy it's is run by a few elite people who decides who gets punished for breaking the rules on the forum. This is the way it is there is NO room for people to have a voting system. DoctaD, Stone, Dizzie, Odin, and Thor are all in place because the administrators appointed them because they need them too. This site is not funded by its users but its administrators, and with that they have the right to do what ever they want on the site and choose however they want to run it.

Some good points, 7-11, but please don't call me "elite" :yup: I'm just another member here :cool:

[icharianchem]

the "cool dad" if you will

[Day_N_Night]

Specifically, I'm referring to stupid ass people posting on Rorta. I realize that "stupid ass people" is highly subjective. However, it seems we all have a general idea of wtf I'm saying when I say that.

If you got a problem with my posts (or anyone else's posts for that matter) then call us out on it. If the person is serious they'll take heed and clean up their act.

[DoctaD]

In theory, I could be banned by majority vote... fuck that.

:firedevil

[Th0r]

My feeling is that if a user is pissing you guys off and you want this user banned then we will also want him banned.

[Mr.A]

Maybe I'm going too deep but when I choose to do something I make the decision because I believe in it. I believe it as the ultimate truth. Everyone else is the same way. It just seems to me that the priciple behind Rorta is free-just information, free-just knowledge spread to anyone who searches hard enough (google will do the trick usually). Free-just knowledge that we all mostly seem to agree on is withheld from us by our governments (elites). Rorta feels similar to our governments to me by putting all the power into moderators, it always has bothered me with almost any forum. It just bothers me that we think we cannot put control to everybody. Maybe not completely equally but as close as possible. I agree we couldn't do such a thing in a human civil society (too many variables)...but on a forum, I think its possible. I'm dreaming of a better future.

I honestly didn't expect any moderators to vote yes when I made this thread (hints viewable votes), not many humans in human history who had power truely wanted to give it up. Yes in theory a moderator could be voted off, but with proper systems in place there is almost a 0% chance it would happen IMO. Non of the moderators that I see now seem to break any Rorta rules and neither would they...they respect Rorta just as much as any other committed member.

I only want truth to be real truth.
I only want real reality.
Even if a change is not made hopefully it will make some people learn what I believe to be the truth.

Let me tie up this rant by saying I like almost all Rorta users and have no real reason to dislike anything any of you have said.