what is out there

[Antagonist]

as far as chemistry goes and the capability of it, what is out there? What are some useful things. Breaking bad makes chemistry look so cool. I'm interested. I took a chemistry class before, but wasn't too interested at the time. I did remember some stuff though and I'm reviewing the basic concepts on wiki...

So I'm wondering... what kind of stuff can you do with certain chemicals?

I'm trying to get a list of things that I want to learn over time.

[death11284]

Hmm, what are you looking to do? Do you want to blow things up, or do you want flashy fires? Do you want poisons...dyes? Crystals? Drugs? Weapons? What's up?
You can make just about anything with chemistry man.

I've never seen breakibg bad, so elaborate please.

[Antagonist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_Bad

he makes a bunch of meth, then he makes some shit pop off and produces gas that kills a drug dealer and then he dissolves the evidence. Then he makes some explosive crystal shit, and he uses thermite to destroy a lock, and he almost poisons a guy with some stuff that is hard to find in autopsy or something, risin or something, like 'rice-in'

LSD would be neat to make too.

I realize you can do a lot of things with chemistry, thats why I'm looking for interesting things.

I've been reading more recently, and have found some things I'm interested in, but would like to hear other peoples ideas.

Preferably, what might be some things that have easy to get precursors, or are easy to make.

[Th0r]

Death - I recommend you watch the first series. It's very good.

[thief]

Death - I recommend you watch the first series. It's very good.

Its a good show alright. Im DL S02E03 as we speak. :party:

[Antagonist]

Where can I find this "Death" show?

also, does anyone know how accurate/reliable this is:

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

I've had a sort of basic understanding of what is needed for LSD, and I wanna learn more. What would be some good material to read to understand it more?

[thief]

Where can I find this "Death" show?

He was refering to his name. The show is called "Breaking Bad" :fing02:

[death11284]

Ok, most of the things you describe are actually fairly simple.

Making meth, you can find elsewhere I'm not gonna post that...

The explosive "crystal shit" is probably nitrogen tri-iodide. Then again if it was, there would be violet vapour hanging around...was that in the show? If not then ti could really be any explosive...if you WANT to make explosives, well Erythritol Tetranitrate is awesome stuff...
It could have been acetone peroxide, which is a very, very fine crystalline powder that is relatively sensitive.

The ricin (that's how it's spelled) is a very simple extraction using castor beans, look at US patent 3060165 for the best process...like I said, very simple. It's something I would be extremely careful about, ricin exposure leads to a pulmonary edema...very painful and fatal

Ricin poisoning shows very unique signs, any doctor who's read or heard about it would recognize it. Especially if foul play was suggested. If you're not trying too hard for "stealth" then nicotine is a very powerful poison with great results.

With killing you play off of their habits, if they are a heavy drug user, give them an overdose concentration of the active ingredients in it...if they shoot stuff up, inject them there, things like that :).

Carbonic acid would be another interesting way to kill them...it would just look like asphyxiation.

Thermite is laughably easy, simply powdered iron rust and aluminum powder ignited with a piece of magnesium ribbon.

Things to look into
Poisons: Nicotine, Ricin, Abrin, gelonin

Explosives:
Erythritol Tetranitrate, Acetone Peroxide, hexamethylenetriperoxidediamine HMTD, Pentaerythritol Tetranitrate, and TNP (picric acid)

[Micro]

The "crystal shit" was silver or mercury fulminate.

And Antagonist, LSD is fucking hardcore chem, it needs to be done in a dark room because light destroys it. The most hard to find and important ingredient ergot amine is poisonous, as in "your limbs turn black and fall off".

I'd recommend the 2c-x family (2c-b,2c-e,2c-i,etc) if you do want to make hallucinogens.

Read PiHKAL, it is good.

[death11284]

Hmm that seems rather strange actually..
I've run little "tests" with mercury fulminate, and it isn't as impact sensitive as I've heard.

Throwing a gram of crystals at a time, as hard as I can at a wall 15 yards away only gave me detonation 3/10 times...

Though I suppose he would be throwing more, oh well.

Didn't even consider a fulminate as a possibility, but that would make sense.

[Th0r]

If the 'crystal shit' is super-sensitive there's a strong possibility it's Silver Fulminate.

[death11284]

Well if it was just "sensitive" that's what it would imply...
but if it was "super" sensitive, I'd say nitrogen tri-iodide. I'm actually watching the 1st season tomorrow...so, I'll know :). Fulminates are just the most sensitive "reasonably" sensitive explosives...

Watched the 1st episode though...
Oh and the gas was phosphene, it's made from heated red phosphorous...
RP slowly degrades into it, but when heated it catalyzes the reaction, and makes it happen FAST.

The acid they use to dissolve the bodies is hydrofluoric, this is not something I would suggest. Sodium hydroxide would be FAR better...

[crazy white guy]

DMT and MDMA are good if you want to get into organic chemistry.

[Micro]

If I had safarole and would be making drugs I'd go MDA instead of MDMA, why would I do a designer variant if the real thing is at my reach?

[crazy white guy]

If I had safarole and would be making drugs I'd go MDA instead of MDMA, why would I do a designer variant if the real thing is at my reach?

MDMA is easier to sell. Most drug dealers are stupid, they buy for popularity and profit rather than effectiveness. They dont strive to take the theoretically more profitable one and make it shine.

[REL0AD]

So I'm wondering... what kind of stuff can you do with certain chemicals?

Hydrochloric acid in a bottle with some tin foil. Shake it and throw it.

Pretty kewl but hey, it's a chemical reaction right?

[death11284]

Hydrochloric acid in a bottle with some tin foil. Shake it and throw it.


I still do this from time to time, it's enjoyable to say the least. It's labeled as muriatic acid in any hardware store just FYI antagonist...

Mix bleach and ammonia together for some vapors that'll do some damage...

There's a bunch of simple stuff like that if you don't want anything even relatively complicated...

[bennerman]

"shit popping of", "exploding crystal", and "rice-in" made me laugh. Its a good show though, I agree. The gas in question was phosphene gas, btw.

[Micro]

CWG, if I ever synth up any non-prescription narcotics I'll sure as hell won't be selling it.
I don't like risks. And if I was in for the profit, meth and more importantly GHB will maky one more money.