Do you agree with my conclusion on Fake IDs?

[Day_N_Night]

I've done some research into the matter of the acqusition of new IDs and the like.

Since, i've come to the conclusion that to start a new life (in a western country) with a fake ID acquired in that country is ineffective because of the slightest suspicion on the part of the cops will end up in a back ground check which will quickly reveal the nature of your fraud. Even a DUI could do this or a simple background check

Thus living for extended periods of time with a Fake ID acquired in that country is impractical.

Be it resolved that the most secure way to live in a Western country securely is to first acquire your false identification in a gray country and then immigrate legally or otherwise into your western country of choice?

This way if your found out you will be deported back to the country where you identification originates and not charged with any crime (fraud/ID Fraud).

In addition to this, in the gray countries they have a very backward system and more often than not corrupt officials who can faciliatate the new ID acquisition process.

Agree or disagree?

[Æhµ]

I can't say for certain how the immigration officials handle an illegal alien, but most will detain you until a background check from your "host" country is ran, and also check your identity against Interpol just to make sure your not an international fugitive. They'll scan your fingerprints so if you're already in the system your not going anywhere. If they can't get any satisfactory data they can and will hold you for a long time. Some people spend months on end waiting to be cleared for deportation.

I think your plan is a little too risky and makes the assumption that officials will ship you off to country X rather than putting you in jail for the fake identity.

[iceman69]

Fake id's dont work for the cops anymore. there computers use david a system interlinking all states dmv records. You need someone on the take in the dmv to make you a passable id.
keep in mind ssn only registers with the pigs when you have a record same with fingerprints and alot of them use scanning devices to scan your prints. a little super glue and it wont hit a match. It takes so many points of match using the loops and whirls in your prints. the dead baby trick dont work anymore since ssa death index became linked to everything since 9-11 however IDS CAN BE CLONED THAT IS ASSUMING SOMEONE ELSES ID WHO IS ALIVE AND LIVING. SO THERE ARE 2 OF YOU THAT HAVE ID, SAME SSN, YOU NEED TO BUILD A DOSIER OF INFO. PRETTY EASY. AND THAT DOES WORK ID THEFT ANYONE?

[shacklers_revenge]

Fake id's dont work for the cops anymore. there computers use david a system interlinking all states dmv records. You need someone on the take in the dmv to make you a passable id.
keep in mind ssn only registers with the pigs when you have a record same with fingerprints and alot of them use scanning devices to scan your prints. a little super glue and it wont hit a match. It takes so many points of match using the loops and whirls in your prints. the dead baby trick dont work anymore since ssa death index became linked to everything since 9-11 however IDS CAN BE CLONED THAT IS ASSUMING SOMEONE ELSES ID WHO IS ALIVE AND LIVING. SO THERE ARE 2 OF YOU THAT HAVE ID, SAME SSN, YOU NEED TO BUILD A DOSIER OF INFO. PRETTY EASY. AND THAT DOES WORK ID THEFT ANYONE?

Can you elaborate on that a bit more?

From what I'm aware just adopting a living persons identity isn't a good idea since it's easy to get found out if the victim checks their credit report or if you get a legit job the SSA might catch on.
Also the dead baby method should work if said baby dies in a different state than the one they were born in as vital records aren't centralized and offices won't cross-reference birth and death records from every state. You could then get a name change and a new SSN (say you've been in Europe or some shit and haven't needed one) and voila, new name new SSN.

But you're saying something different?

[Æhµ]

What Iceman is saying is bribe a DMV (license bureau) employee to issue you a valid ID, one that is 100% in the system. It's not a fake ID, but a real ID you have in a fake name.

That is by far the best method, and it happens a lot, crooked DMV employees sell IDs to illegal aliens all the time. I knew a guy from my prison days who had two sisters working for the state license bureau. For 500$ you got the real deal, in the system. Problem is naturally finding one of these enterprising DMV employees. And you still have to come up with the info (name, SSN) that will be on the ID. If you have access to such a person who can issue valid IDs then you want to invent a new persona, and not steal someone elses. This way your "new you" can last forever and not cause conflicts with another living person.

The other method mentioned is to find all the details of a real person with valid ID and clone their ID, only using your picture instead of theirs. So if a cop runs it, the numbers are in the system. That works for several states now, but not the ones that have upgraded to digital imaging, because in those states the ID comes back with the face of the person it's linked to. Cops can pull up the license holders actual face as can the license bureau. Cloned IDs in this case can get you caught. You CANNOT have a new ID issued to you from a crooked DMV employee based on a stolen identity since that will in effect cancel the ID belonging to the victim. When the real ID is canceled said victim will go to the DMV and discover that a new ID has been issued, they'll cry foul and the DMV/police will investigate.

The most secure method is to invent a new identity, which means getting the Social Security Administration to issue you a new SSN, not an easy task in these days.

[shacklers_revenge]

The most secure method is to invent a new identity, which means getting the Social Security Administration to issue you a new SSN, not an easy task in these days.

It can be done with a convincing fake Birth Certificate mixed with lazy ass SSA workers (I talked about this in another thread) though obviously it's risky business.

Do you know of any other methods that can be attempted to get new SSN's. This is very relevant to my interests, as Anon would say.

[Æhµ]

I'll throw a couple suggestions out here, some of these are based on older ideas that have become a bit dated.

1.
Dead Baby Method: worked great back in the 80's but the advent of the SSA "death index" which was started in California has made the use of a deceased person's SSN a risky venture. You can check the death index to ensure your found SSN isn't on it, but there's no guarantee that in the future as more states go digital your SSN won't be added to it. The DB method was covered extensively in Loompanics, Eden Press, and Paladin Press books going all the way back to 1971, so it's a well known method to the police and SSA.

What makes it work and why it may STILL work - you have to find a child, baby, or even young teen who died around the same time you want your "birth year" to be. The deceased should already have had an SSN issued (otherwise you're wasting your time). The deceased should obviously not appear on the SSA death index. You can look in older newspaper obituaries to find a suitable "donor". Do as much of a background check as you can, look up living family and all that. With any luck your donor won't have any living parents or relatives nearby (otherwise your new name will arouse suspicion). Obtain a copy of the Birth Certificate (you'll need to either fake an original BC or obtain a certified copy from the donor's birth city vital statistics office).

The ideal "DB" candidate will not appear on the SSA death index, also have deceased parents, will have a valid BC or Baptismal Certificate on record, and few, if any, relatives in your area.

2.
If you can pass as a teen file you can still file for and receive an SSN from the SSA office. Along with a BC they sometimes will want your parents SSNs though. You can use a set of stolen SSNs belonging to a married couple as your "birth parents", and a forged BC.

If you can't pass as a teen, then hire one. Give him all your info and let him obtain the SSN card (since no photos are required).

This method results in an SSN that will be issued for the current year. So it implies a person who only just received an SSN, not a big deal for someone still young but an older person might catch some flak for bureaucrats as to why they are, let's say in their 40's, but the SSN is spanking new.

I have all these changing identity guides, is their an official Rorta FTP we can put these on?

[shacklers_revenge]

You could put them in the e-books thread I guess. If you could PM them to me I'd be very grateful, I have one changing identity e-book from Ariza Research, it's very good and very recent (2008), I don't mind sharing it if you need it.

[Day_N_Night]

Can anyone comment on wether the dead baby method is still viable in third world countries?

What i mean by that is do they have Death Indexs aswell to curb people using the deceased for new ID.

[Th0r]

Can anyone comment on wether the dead baby method is still viable in third world countries?

What i mean by that is do they have Death Indexs aswell to curb people using the deceased for new ID.

It depends what country you're talking about. Third World/LEDC is a very broad term.

[iceman69]

I am on my laptop so I must be brief battery is getting critical. This is a intresting thread I wish to explore more. I know for awhile since 9-11 with the crackdown on ssn issued. That after a certain age it is red flagged. It looks weird in this day for someone to try to get a ssn at the age 28 and never had one issued. The only ones not required to have a ssn here are the amish communities. I have looked deep into Identities. For a while people were getting whats called a tin " tax payer identification number" That was issued in place of a ssn for foreigners and could be used as a ssn. However that loophole probably closed with the borders from mexico. As far as dead babies it is a virtual needle in a hay stack to find one not in the registry of S.DI. I have looked long and hard ! .............I know the state I am in references the S.D.I also when a name is ran by the police if there is no record of the ssn it comes back clean.. There is no not issued bulletin. But finding a unissued ssn is another needle in a haystack. Also to note if infact you find a dead baby ssn that was not in the S.D.I whether from tombstones,geneology websites,obituaries,data wharehouses ect. Theres no guarentee that some axe murder is not using it already. The ID clone does work and the digital pics are poor it only takes a fair resemblance to pass. But you can not pay taxes under it! good point we are talking passing law enforcement as a wanted fugitive or other reasons. I dont think too many people searching for ID'S And the latest scams and hustles pay taxes anyways. There are methods to buy citizenship elsewhere parts of south america are noted for this. They are expensive $25,000 to start with and can run up to 80 grand.
that is a good entry level to a new us id. Unless they do some new shit like a DNA database on everyone comming in. They are building one now in florida. Get busted for any crime they take your dna. Lets go deeper in this Id idea It is one of the more worthy topics on here and Id is the holy grail to scams,banking,anon living ect. Some good places to poke around are escape artist.com,,,,, pt shamrocks.com merely for ideas.... I know the dmv has pumped out a ton in miami each with a individual number that passes the cops. I need more information! Used to be easy. Take drivers lic with your pic take steel wool sand off all text then type up text to size in photoshop or any desk publishing software program. Print it on a transparancy in reverse then laminate it on the id. Man they looked sooooo good banks took them all day long to open accounts. Technollogy sucks ass today so much is closed. Too bad I didnt have big ballz I would smash the dmv window take their printers and software and id blanks. Another intresting thread would be what countries do not have extradition and will sell you citizenship! Belize is beautiful but once you exchange your american dollars for belezian dollars they are near impossible to change back. Their exchange is 2 belieze dollars for each american. Open a banlk account and deposit like 7 grand a year in it and you quallify to apply for citizenship........ food for thought

[shacklers_revenge]

That's very interesting Iceman. Although I heard about pt shamrocks being bullshit?, also what do you think about my idea about using a baby that was born and died in different states? Vital Records offices do not cross reference with other states.
You also brought up a good point about other criminals using the same ID, although you can run a background check on the ID you want.

Another idea is to file for a name change, get a Birth Certificate with the new name then apply for a SSN, just say that you have been working in Europe or some shit, get an AAA international drivers license as your ID to make it seem legit. Then you'd have a new name and new SSN.

Bribing the teenager was a great idea, as they'll do that shit for a lot less than an adult would. You could browse the obits or the Ancestry website for a young enough dead couple (that would be time consuming but worth it) and use their SSNs and surname.

[iceman69]

That's very interesting Iceman. Although I heard about pt shamrocks being bullshit?, also what do you think about my idea about using a baby that was born and died in different states? Vital Records offices do not cross reference with other states.
You also brought up a good point about other criminals using the same ID, although you can run a background check on the ID you want.

Another idea is to file for a name change, get a Birth Certificate with the new name then apply for a SSN, just say that you have been working in Europe or some shit, get an AAA international drivers license as your ID to make it seem legit. Then you'd have a new name and new SSN.

Bribing the teenager was a great idea, as they'll do that shit for a lot less than an adult would. You could browse the obits or the Ancestry website for a young enough dead couple (that would be time consuming but worth it) and use their SSNs and surname.

I think you have some good ideas and pt scamrock lol. You hit on the head too. They make good reading of at pt's some of the ideas are workable if you research and do it on your own. As far as sending scamrock money no way., No thank's. I Believe when you get a name change your whole criminal history follows fact is I am most certain of it. I looked into that before too. I like the idea about them not cross state checking as you say but how long will that window stay open? I think myself the way to go is a child with a ssn that has never been in the s.d.i But I have yet to find any. I know guyana was selling citizenships if you wanted to plunk down the 40,000.00 clams to get one. You could get your fingerprints thachanged in south america too by skingrafting your toe prints to your fingers. And migrate to the us for citizenship or work visa. Identification is the most difficult of all to accomplish although all these ideas are novel I have yet seen it personally pulled off which is a 100% fault free ID. you can make id's that will pass the bank, the title company , But the holy grail that passes L.E SCRUITINY is something I am searching for just to learn about ofcourse. Your Idea seems plausible and doable with some checking and verification. But like I say where do the dead babies not in the S.D.I come from. I know it's easier with pre 1970 babies, The older the dead babies the better. But shall we dye our hair grey?
Please enlighten me further what would be your first steps to put this in order? Would you look through geneology sites?

[shacklers_revenge]

Please enlighten me further what would be your first steps to put this in order? Would you look through geneology sites?

Yes, in fact I have a membership at Ancestry for that very reason. Every single piece of info you could ever want is on there and you can cross reference everything with the Death Index. It's very time consuming though.

Here is what I'd hypothetically do:

1. Use the website to find an infant who was born and died in different states, then check to see if they are on the death index. You'd be surprised how many are not listed. I remember reading that it's easier with kids that died before 1988.

2. Try and find as much family info as possible, if parents are still living, where they live etc. Also do the background check to make sure no-one else has used the same kids ID.

3. Request BC, here's the clincher. Don't say it's your BC say you're the kids brother and pay by cash/money order. Reason being if vital records do know they're dead the BC will have 'DECEASED' stamped across it. Now if you claimed to be that person it obviously would be suspicious and they may call the pigs.

4. Assuming you get the BC ok without the deceased stamp, I'd apply for a name change, Washington is the most liberal state when it comes to name changes so do it there. Now a public notice would probably be published in a local newspaper which is why i did all the family research earlier to make sure they are unlikely to see it. Get new BC with new name.

5. Apply for SSN, say your parents moved to Europe when you were young and you went to school/worked there but now you're back. This is actually true for me and my English accent would make it feasible.

6. Enjoy life with new name and SSN.

I think the name change is a must for 2 reasons. A) You eliminate the possibility of running into someone who recognizes the name and becomes suspicious. B) If someone else tries to steal the same ID after you, they'll request a BC in the original name and a they'll get a 'file not found' reply.

You are right about the window of opportunity for the whole cross referencing between states thing. There are plans to centralize the whole country's birth/death records. However it will be very expensive,time consuming and let's be honest. The government will probably fuck it up and they'll be 'teething problems' etc. I think realistically it will be another decade before the whole thing is up and running but it is something to keep an eye on.

[Day_N_Night]

It depends what country you're talking about. Third World/LEDC is a very broad term.

I'm interested in just about any Country in Latin America or North Africa.

If there are any in Western Europe(and even the wider Western World) that have not started crossing Death Indexs, i would also be interested but this is doubtful due to the advant of the European Union.

@Shacklers Revenge-So Ancestry.com would illiminate the need to have to pychically go to a library and look for death notices there? Is that Correct?

[shacklers_revenge]

yes. they have birth/death notices from just about every English speaking country, as well as newspaper obits and pictures of gravestone. And the Social Security Death Index, which is the most important as you should cross reference everything with that to see if the state knows someone is dead.
Of course you have to pay a subscription and it is very time consuming but the amount of info is mind-boggling. There's even user-created family trees, so you can the info direct from them.