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Twist
21st May 2009, 12:57 AM
I have heard that the correct way to build muscle is not to work out as often as possible but to work out for x amount of time one day, let your muscles repair the day after, then do it again the next. If this is true why do people get ripped after say the army? Or consistent physical labor? Or the inmates who have nothing to do in prison but work out all day? It seems that it would work just to do as much as you can whenever you can. I have tried both and the method of resting for a day always bothered me because I felt an urge to work out but didn't do it. I think it makes sense just to exert your energy when you have it on lifting and working out to replace it with muscle. It is logical because it is a simple transformation of energy, but why do so many other sources advice against it?

thief
21st May 2009, 02:45 AM
Are you talking about 250lbs mass/bulk or under 200lbs condition/fighter size?

There are so many fads and advice that you could get lost in the info out there but at the end of the day I reckon it comes down to the person and their DNA so to speak. The best way that worked for me in the past for size is working lets say... Legs on monday, Chest sholders and triceps Wen and Back and biceps Fridays. When it comes down to fighting or condition other methods come into play. Its a lot more cardio alongside the weights and there is a lot more focus on core strenght. There is a lot of info out there for this. There is one DVD I would tell you to watch if you want good core/fighter size and condition and thats called "Burn With Kearns - MMA Conditioning" its very good.

Twist
21st May 2009, 03:24 AM
Are you talking about 250lbs mass/bulk or under 200lbs condition/fighter size?

There are so many fads and advice that you could get lost in the info out there but at the end of the day I reckon it comes down to the person and their DNA so to speak. The best way that worked for me in the past for size is working lets say... Legs on monday, Chest sholders and triceps Wen and Back and biceps Fridays. When it comes down to fighting or condition other methods come into play. Its a lot more cardio alongside the weights and there is a lot more focus on core strenght. There is a lot of info out there for this. There is one DVD I would tell you to watch if you want good core/fighter size and condition and thats called "Burn With Kearns - MMA Conditioning" its very good.

Thanks for the advice. I am looking for more bulk, but to stay defined at the same time. As of now I am very very fit and can fight well. The problem being it doesn't show as well as I would like to. I am defined and have the core strength/muscles one would need, yet I don't carry enough weight when it comes down wrestling for example. I don't need to strengthen my muscles but I do need to expand them is what it comes down to. Ideas?

thief
21st May 2009, 12:56 PM
Well if you are doing all the right things and still seeing nothing I would say you need to eat more and/or take some supplements. Soif your not eating 5 times a day or even if you are you should take something like creatine (Anator-p70) and HMB. Muscletech are a good Co. to get these from. If your still seeing nothing and your not piss tested take steroids like Deca Durabolin. Although I wouldnt advise you to go take that path.

Twist
21st May 2009, 07:02 PM
Well if you are doing all the right things and still seeing nothing I would say you need to eat more and/or take some supplements. Soif your not eating 5 times a day or even if you are you should take something like creatine (Anator-p70) and HMB. Muscletech are a good Co. to get these from. If your still seeing nothing and your not piss tested take steroids like Deca Durabolin. Although I wouldnt advise you to go take that path.

Very good advice apart from the steroids. I have creatine pills are those as effective as the powder? I am guessing I also need protein, and carbs as well as plain fatty foods correct?

thief
21st May 2009, 08:33 PM
The caps are not as good as the power because of some break down, I cant remember why (its been years) but the best one would be from Muscletech for sure. Of course you need protein carbs and fat AND firber. Food and lots of it... dont forget the training to. hahaha. If your doing cardio, do it in the morn before breakfast because it 500% more effective at burning fat.

Antagonist
21st May 2009, 08:48 PM
Eating is one of the most important, and often overlooked aspects. Especially if you want to bulk up.

Don't buy into all those dietary supplements and shit, a lot of them are fairly unhealthy and you run the risk of hurting yourself in the long run. I remember reading something a lil sketchy about creatine, I'd be careful and not use it too much... I'm pretty sure your body produce creatine naturally anyway.

I would highly recommend "Whey" protein though. Its great stuff to have before and or after a workout.

The thing about the resting, depends on you and how hard you are working out, as well as what muscle groups. You need to give your muscles SOME rest, but a full day of doing nothing physical isn't necessary.

I'd say try to focus on different muscle groups on different days to give yourself some recovery time. Again, just because you work your upper body one day, doesn't mean you have to completely avoid using any of your upper muscles during legs day, just don't push yourself to complete failure every time you work out. (complete failure is your absolute limit, in case you didn't know)

Theres nothing wrong with staying active every day though. If you get tired though, nothin' wrong with takin' an afternoon nap.

But remember, if you wanna bulk up, you gotta eat more. You can't build muscle from nothing, so increase your protein intake.

Oh, and for wrestling, flexibility is gonna help you out. So thats another thing to take into consideration. If you want big muscles, you gotta stretch a lot.

DoctaD
21st May 2009, 09:16 PM
I have a mate who bulked up fast, for a bet. He told me it was all to do with pasta and a personal trainer who basically told him to do weights for a day, run for a day and have a day off, on a constant rota.

Twist
22nd May 2009, 04:28 AM
Will crushing the creatine pills and mixing with a liquid increase its effectiveness thief?

NINEBREAKER
22nd May 2009, 04:33 AM
www.bodyforlife.com

not a gimmick. all the info is free. however if you plan on buying some of their products i hope you have alot of money. but then again all their stuff works real well

anyways on muscle building the goal is to have a really intense workout but for a short period of time. that works real well. also have good nutrition. my recomendation is to have your body weight in grams of protein and carbs and half that in vit a and c. in other words if ou weight 120 eat 120 grams of protein

also small meals through out the day works better. as in eat 6 small meals rather than 3 big ones.

thats all.

NINEBREAKER
22nd May 2009, 04:34 AM
www.bodyforlife.com

not a gimmick. all the info is free. however if you plan on buying some of their products i hope you have alot of money. but then again all their stuff works real well

anyways on muscle building the goal is to have a really intense workout but for a short period of time. that works real well. also have good nutrition. my recomendation is to have your body weight in grams of protein and carbs and half that in vit a and c. in other words if ou weight 120 eat 120 grams of protein

also small meals through out the day works better. as in eat 6 small meals rather than 3 big ones.

thats all.

the website also has a forum

thief
22nd May 2009, 12:31 PM
Im tired of this thread... everyone else is a genius on the subject, so if you want you can follow their advice. What works for one wont necessarily work for another but there are ground rules when it comes to size. You need one days rest in between, anyone that tells you different is a fool. Im telling you from 12 years experience but then again who am I to argue.

Th0r
22nd May 2009, 08:57 PM
You need one days rest in between, anyone that tells you different is a fool. Im telling you from 12 years experience but then again who am I to argue.

That's text book Phys-Ed advice, and I'd recommend following it.