Races of Rorta

[Twist]

What are the members races here? Me=White I'm not pale more olive/partially tanned either way I'm not black or red or yellow or purple. What are you?

[RoundElephant]

1/2 Nigerian 1/4 German 1/4 British

[Th0r]

I'm a Caucasian Male.

1/2 Scottish and then German, Irish and English blood makes up my ancestory.

[Day_N_Night]

50% North African (Berber) 50% European (

Many of you may not have heard of the berbers, they are the indegenous people of North Africa (not Arabs).

Here is some info on them: http://looklex.com/e.o/berbers.htm

@ RoundElephant - Is your nigerian side Muslim?

[bankraped]

Caucasian.
100% Irish as far as I know. I think my fathers side came to the country in like the 1600's in a plantation from scotland or something. My mothers side I'd say has been here since the celts, I'd imagine.

Interesting thing though, a fair few people from the West of Ireland have Spanish ancestry, which I think has contributed to the Irish language. The language has alot in common with the Westeren european languages.

[thief]

Irish with a most of my family tree been Scandinavian.

[Twist]

50% North African (Berber) 50% European (

Many of you may not have heard of the berbers, they are the indegenous people of North Africa (not Arabs).

Here is some info on them: http://looklex.com/e.o/berbers.htm

@ RoundElephant - Is your nigerian side Muslim?

I thought you said you were not black.

[darkangel]

Caucasian american
most of my family is from Ireland and Germany

[Day_N_Night]

I thought you said you were not black.

Visit the link i posted. The Berber ethnic group is not black, they are infact caucasian. The amount of Berber in me is between 25% and 50% anyway depending on who my grandmothers parents were.

[Twist]

Interesting I have never heard of them before now.

[torcher]

white.

[crazy white guy]

Canadian. More specifically polish/Ukraine and Irish+French. Its not exactly correct to say Im polish or Ukrainian. My mum's parents were both Ukrainian but the border moved just a few years before my mum was born. So Im more Ukrainian than anything. On the french side I also have a East Coast Metis Great Great grandfather and Great Great grandmother from two different families.

For those of you who dont know Canadian history, The Metis were a race of people that were started when french fur traders started banging the native peoples of Canada. The Metis said fuck that shit and became farmers instead of solely hunting/gathering but still participated in the buffalo hunt. Since they didnt buy the land, they just settled it. The Canadian government told them to fuckoff. A group of protestants came, TSHTF. The battle of seven oaks happened. The protestant got mad pwned. Then the province of Manitoba was founded as the Metis homeland. Now a bunch of Scotts tried to settle in the area. Again, mad PWND. But through a bunch of government treaties and shit, the Metis slowly lost more and more of their land until they were a minority. They split off from there. Most went North West (called the NorthWest settlement) and the rest went south and east. My ancestors were from those who went east.

[The Schizoid Hatter]

1/3 African American, 1/3 Puerto Rican, 1/3 French.
Never actually traced my ancestry. Just really relied on what my parents said and stuck with that.

[bankraped]

I'm surprised at all the Irsih people on this forum. I'm counting 5, at the moment.
Myself, hex, theif, Stone and headcase.

[Th0r]

Headcase is thankfully no longer part of active discussion. And you're forgetting S25, RIP.

1/3 African American, 1/3 Puerto Rican, 1/3 French.

Interesting, unfortunate about the French ancestory.

[The Schizoid Hatter]

I'm fine with my French ancestry, thanks. :P Quite the Francophile.

[Th0r]

I'm fine with my French ancestry, thanks. :P Quite the Francophile.

A light hearted remark, I promise.

Quite a lot of the French are pretty cool. Specially the French pyro's I've had the pleasure of encountering.

[RoundElephant]

50% North African (Berber) 50% European (

Many of you may not have heard of the berbers, they are the indegenous people of North Africa (not Arabs).

Here is some info on them: http://looklex.com/e.o/berbers.htm

@ RoundElephant - Is your nigerian side Muslim?

My Nigerian grandfather is a Muslim polygamist. His son (my father) converted to Christianity at a young age.

My father then went on to convert his mother (the first of my grandfather's three wives) to Christianity.

So yes, my father was brought up as a Muslim but no he is not a Muslim.

[savage_beauty]

I am White. I have dual nationality of Australia and England but none of my parents or grandparents came from Australia I need to investigate my family tree more. I'm sure someone along the line came from somewhere making me 1/4 or 1/2 of something :P

[Day_N_Night]

I am White. I have dual nationality of Australia and England but none of my parents or grandparents came from Australia I need to investigate my family tree more. I'm sure someone along the line came from somewhere making me 1/4 or 1/2 of something :P

Probably some Welsh in that family tree somewhere.

[Stone]

I'm surprised at all the Irsih people on this forum. I'm counting 5, at the moment.
Myself, hex, theif, Stone and headcase.

Yep, I'm 100% Irish.

Who is hex?

headcase doesn't come round here no more. I met him once actually on a night out. He's friends with an old friend of mine.

And you're forgetting S25, RIP.

WTF!?! S25 is dead??!! When/how the fuck did that happen???

[Th0r]

WTF!?! S25 is dead??!! When/how the fuck did that happen???

He's chosen not to have anything to do with the forums. He closed down A0tu, too.

[DoctaD]

100% Irish, both sides.

[Paranoid Ecstasy]

50% Irish and 50% euro mutt. (mostly Polish)

[Twist]

50% Irish and 50% euro mutt. (mostly Polish)

Do you live in Europe?

[Th0r]

Do you live in Europe?

No, he lives in the US.

Florida isn't it?

Also, lurk more or ask him via PM.

[7eleven mafia]

ive got Polish, Italian, French Canadian, Norwegian, Ive got a mix, but i'm Caucasian

im proud to be white

[REL0AD]

Aryan.

[NINEBREAKER]

half philipino half american cracker

[RoundElephant]

half philipino half american cracker

Was your dad in the Navy?

[NINEBREAKER]

Was your dad in the Navy?

yep

[DoctaD]

Aryan.

Chav

[Th0r]

Wanker.

There we have it, fixed.

[death11284]

Irish/Scottish/German
Drinking dream team...

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

50% Aussie,25% Koori and 25% Mouri .

Lol, i should explain.

One parent who is Aussie was adopted and thier sibling was another child that had be adopted out of Mouri family. One parent white and another Koori. Both my parents are Aussie.

I just say it and people spin out over here because they dont know the story and cant see any in me. When im with my cousins is when we get the best reactions.

[odin_dax]

In the words of my former psych professor, there is no "white." Much like there is no "European" in any sense beyond that of being from a country in Europe.

Anywho, I'm American with mostly German origins. I'm also Irish, Italian and Czech. There are rumors of one Scottish ancestor on my mom's side, and one French ancestor on my dad's side. I'm pretty pale, green eyes.... blah.

[lcnostra]

WASP with Brit/Irish/Scottish roots.

[DoctaD]

WASP and Irish/Scottish don't exactly go hand in hand...

[lcnostra]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant

[DoctaD]

I know what it means...

[lcnostra]

The term originated in reference to White Americans of English, Welsh, and Scottish descent, who were Protestant in religious affiliation.

The original use of WASP denoted either an ethnic group, or the culture, customs, and heritage of early English and Irish settlers in what is today the United States

Although I wouldn't use the term 'WASP' to refer to my Scottish and Irish roots on my father's side, my mother's side of the family is straight up BORING.

[bankraped]

Ireland is awesome. A drunk man came up to me on the beach today and said ,among other things, that women are evil. Also, he was getting seaweed to put on his cabbage patch.

[Æhµ]

100% Swedish (but born and raised in the states), my father's extended family still has a large enclave in the alps, when the SHTF that's where I'll be holing up.

[ComfortablyNumb]

about 2/3 mixed white (German, English, Irish, French, Scottish, Dutch) and 1/3 Native American (25% Cherokee, some Apache in there somewhere).

[.VX]

Human. 3/4 of my family are Irish, the rest are British I think.

[Vallen]

German

[RootAccess]

50% Portuguese, 25% Irish, 25% French and some Native American although noone knows how much...can't be that much if I haven't seen any money from the casinos lol. Needless to say I'm a pretty tan individual, people think I'm Mexican -_-

[Blob]

1/8 Maltese

The rest- British / Irish

[Abrazaderas]

Rassain.

[getera]

100% Norwegian, very white.

[memphisbrit]

110% British with a Redneck streak

[True Sounds]

How uncouth..I'm "100% Pure Love" .(like the song).

[Tarnak]

German from the waist up
Polish from the wast down

[odin_dax]

German from the waist up
Polish from the wast down

What's that, pronounced eye ridges and a small penis?

[ComfortablyNumb]

What's that, pronounced eye ridges and a small penis?

Don't be silly, it mean he has a fully erect right arm and a penis that doesn't know how to screw in a lightbulb.

[Saturday]

We have a Black President now, so I'm not even a race anymore. Race doesn't exist. My parents are from the past and my children are from the future.

I'm hung like a barnacle though (in terms of body:penis ratio). Look it up, if you don't already know.

[iceniner]

Race doesn't exist.

This is why there is no sickle cell anemia. It's why there are no epicanthic folds. Not to mention the profound IQ disparity between blacks and the rest.

One of the most ridiculous lies told by the left. In fact it's the foundational lie of all their other lies. In fact, we may very well have been on the verge of speciation.

[RoundElephant]

This is why there is no sickle cell anemia. It's why there are no epicanthic folds. Not to mention the profound IQ disparity between blacks and the rest.

One of the most ridiculous lies told by the left. In fact it's the foundational lie of all their other lies. In fact, we may very well have been on the verge of speciation.

The left doesn't try to cover up the fact that races exist, you are terribly ignorant. Hence programs like affirmative action, which were developed by the liberals and targeted a particular race in order to try to level out the socio-economic lopsidedness of society.

[iceniner]

The left doesn't try to cover up the fact that races exist, you are terribly ignorant.

Race doesn't exist.

Maybe handouts can level out the socio-economic lopsidedness of genetics? Good luck with all that.

It sure worked great in SA and Zimbabwe!

[RoundElephant]

Maybe handouts can level out the socio-economic lopsidedness of genetics? Good luck with all that.

It sure worked great in SA and Zimbabwe!

You don't have to have a high IQ to keep a job, there are obviously other factors. You can't expect someone to go to college when they have no capital to even pay for it. And your precious study pointing at blacks having lower IQs than whites is being constantly refuted and torn apart by other establishments. don't put all your eggs in one basket, because that's the ONLY ammo you have against blacks and you about to lose it.

[iceniner]

You don't have to have a high IQ to keep a job, there are obviously other factors. You can't expect someone to go to college when they have no capital to even pay for it. And your precious study pointing at blacks having lower IQs than whites is being constantly refuted and torn apart by other establishments.

It's Evil Whitey keeping the black man down, worldwide!

that's the ONLY ammo you have against blacks and you about to lose it.

Here's where you explain the worldwide disparity in IQ test results between blacks and whites in terms that blame Wicked Whitey.

[RoundElephant]

It's Evil Whitey keeping the black man down, worldwide!



Here's where you explain the worldwide disparity in IQ test results between blacks and whites in terms that blame Wicked Whitey.

You have terrible debating skills. You throw offensive and ignorant statements all over this site, then when someone presents facts disputing what you claim you sulk in a state of immaturity and off topic jokes.

[iceniner]

You have terrible debating skills. You throw offensive and ignorant statements all over this site, then when someone presents facts disputing what you claim you sulk in a state of immaturity and off topic jokes.

Who's really doing this?

Explain the worldwide IQ disparity.

Also, what makes you think we're going to be having a debate?

[RoundElephant]

Who's really doing this?

Explain the worldwide IQ disparity.

Also, what makes you think we're going to be having a debate?

Its approximately 15 IQ points. Evidence strongly points towards it being caused by factors that aren't genetic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#Rearing_conditions

if you don't trust wiki go to the sources that this study references.

[iceniner]

Evidence strongly points towards it being caused by factors that aren't genetic

Really.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/AverageIQ-Map-World.png

[RoundElephant]

Really.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/AverageIQ-Map-World.png

Yes really. Africa is one hundred percent third world countries and has the highest percentage of terminally ill people. Would you give two shits about an IQ test if you were poor and HIV ridden?

Australia seems to be doing the wort there, its over 95% white.

And if IQ means everything why is China still a third world country?

[iceniner]

Australia seems to be doing the wort there, its over 95% white.

Unfortunately, the map is colored by IQ of indigenous populations. The AIDS rate in the Maori population is very low. And in China it's among the highest in the world.

It would be interesting to know to what racial group the Maoris belong.

Unfortunately you are walking towards territory that destroys your thesis...

why is China still a third world country?

Perhaps almost a hundred years of communist policies have something to do with it. Regardless, Western society encountered them comparatively late in the game and they were able to pull themselves up very quickly despite conditions of famine [during which up to 80 million people died...]

Which is more likely: AIDS causes low IQ or low IQ causes AIDS?

I can tell: soon I'm going to end up feeling like Mr. Meanypants. It's like beating up children.

Also, for whatever it's worth, I'm questioning whether it was worth it to quote a huge image that we just saw in the previous post. But that's just me.

[odin_dax]

China is not a third world country, guys...

[iceniner]

Most of China is still extremely poor. They do have a number of very large cities but in most rural areas they haven't developed to any large degree. But what they've been able to do in the last century, considering everything, is pretty amazing.

[Th0r]

China is halfway between an MEDC and an LEDC, which is the source of the redundancy of the two terms. The same is true of India, which has the most rapid growth of a middle class anywhere in the World.

Historically Asians have always valued education. It's no wonder that they discovered and pioneered many things. A lot of what Western Whites take credit for, the Chinese initially pioneered. Because so much of there history is literally ashes courtesy of mass burning of historical scrolls, the true level of their development and pioneering can never be known for certain.

China has a problem. People in the cities enjoy luxury. High quality of education for their only child and the benefits of an authoritarian state. People in rural areas enjoy poverty and picking rice. (Although I'm informed by New Scientist that the staple food is shifting.) The very irony of practical Communism is that people are far from equal.

They're busy embracing Capitalism, which is sort of weird. I'm going to China and Hong Kong in October, so I'll let you guys know what the crack is there.

Race very much exists. To say so is massively ignorant, as much as it is a 'nu' way of thinking.

[iceniner]

Race very much exists. To say [otherwise] is massively ignorant, as much as it is a 'nu' way of thinking.

Why would anyone claim this? The whole plank used to be "tolerate differences." Now it has become a lie that there ARE no differences in the first place.

But it's a double-edged sword, and neither side supports the liberal agenda. Either they aren't equal, or they are equal and we can stop with the handouts. People should decide which is which.

As for the IQ issue, we've been through study after study and excuse after excuse. Biased tests. Nutrition. Now the new thing is parasite infection in childhood which is supposed to make you stupid, according to the hypothesis, never mind why it doesn't seem to be true among white residents of Africa, or natives of South America where parasites are also endemic. As each hypothesis proves false, a new lie is introduced.

Meanwhile, a very plausible, simple and straightforward theory stands. The theory that intelligence, like so many other aspects of existence from skin color to available testosterone to eye angle, has a genetic component.

Why fight it?

[odin_dax]

As for the IQ issue, we've been through study after study and excuse after excuse. Biased tests. Nutrition. Now the new thing is parasite infection in childhood which is supposed to make you stupid, according to the hypothesis, never mind why it doesn't seem to be true among white residents of Africa, or natives of South America where parasites are also endemic. As each hypothesis proves false, a new lie is introduced.

Meanwhile, a very plausible, simple and straightforward theory stands. The theory that intelligence, like so many other aspects of existence from skin color to available testosterone to eye angle, has a genetic component.

After your statements on IQ, I looked it up. Yeah, there appears to be an overall average lower than that of who the test labels whites. I think a simple explanation is that throughout the centuries, whites and Asians have been more innovative. They used their brains to invent and improve. Just my best guess.

I think people have a problem with your claim that whites are superior to blacks. First of all, who knows how the test was conducted. Many IQ tests in America ask about US history. The test have to be identical in order to be accurate. I'm not saying that's an issue here, but it'd be nice to know which questions were asked (and in which language).
Secondly, there are many different types of intelligence the standard IQ tests don't measure (e.g. interpersonal, intrapersonal, music).
Thirdly, even though the average IQ is lower compared to whites, that doesn't mean all whites are smarter, or that all blacks are dumb. There are many intelligent "black" people.
Fourthly, even if blacks have an average IQ lower than "whites", that doesn't make all black people criminals either. There are plenty of white criminals, and plenty of white people asking for handouts.

It would be nice if you were more objective in your posts, and less demeaning when someone disagrees with you.



They're busy embracing Capitalism, which is sort of weird. I'm going to China and Hong Kong in October, so I'll let you guys know what the crack is there.

Race very much exists. To say so is massively ignorant, as much as it is a 'nu' way of thinking.

Did anyone say race doesn't exist?

Yes, let us know about China. I'm looking to go sometime next year.

[Th0r]

Did anyone say race doesn't exist?

Yes, let us know about China. I'm looking to go sometime next year.

See Saturday's post. Previous page.

And sure thing.

[Kaydon]

I'm surprised at all the Irsih people on this forum. I'm counting 5, at the moment.
Myself, hex, theif, Stone and headcase.

And me.

[iceniner]

Fringe boards have always had a high population of Irish dating back to the 1980s.

Why?? I could speculate.

The idea that race doesn't exist is repeated all the time. I think several different people have said it here.

[Th0r]

I always thought the appeal of the right wing survivalist culture was a driving factor. S25 and the Irish folk that used to chill on A0tu were all into that kind of shit.

[RoundElephant]

But it's a double-edged sword, and neither side supports the liberal agenda. Either they aren't equal, or they are equal and we can stop with the handouts. People should decide which is which.

You obviously don't understand what the liberals are saying. Nobody argues that Blacks and whites are socially and economically equal, they argue that they deserve to be. They argue that because of their families having absolutely no money less than 150 years ago and not even being allowed to get a half decent education a little more than 50 years ago it is ridiculous to even think they can advance in society to a position even comparable to that of the whites. So those "handouts" are meant to make up for the past-shortcomings of the American government, and to allow the blacks to rise to a level where they one day won't need the aid from the government.

[iceniner]

Nobody argues that Blacks and whites are socially and economically equal, they argue that they deserve to be.

You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that they are. I'm arguing that they aren't intellectually equal.

So those "handouts" are meant to make up for the past-shortcomings of the American government

So for past shortcomings of the American government I am robbed at gunpoint, to pay help money to people who are supposedly just as capable of existing on their own as whites.

[Kaydon]

So for past shortcomings of the American government I am robbed at gunpoint, to pay help money to people who are supposedly just as capable of existing on their own as whites.

Adding to that, White Americans are not in anyway responsible for anything of the past, and shouldn't be held accountable for the actions of a small minority of elitists.

[iceniner]

Adding to that, White Americans are not in anyway responsible for anything of the past

Well, white americans of the past certainly were responsible for a number of atrocities.

But are we going to force the black relatives of slavers to pay reparations? What about the modern relatives of the Spaniards who decimated South America?

Forcing modern whites to pay reparations for things that happened before they were born is criminal.

[RoundElephant]

Adding to that, White Americans are not in anyway responsible for anything of the past, and shouldn't be held accountable for the actions of a small minority of elitists.

Then why should the blacks be held responsible for being born into poor families that the American government made poor by allowing the importation of slaves and the segregation of the education system?

And iceniner, whites get welfare too. You act as if the government is giving all the blacks 40 acres and a mule and expecting only the whites to pay taxes. This is not the case. Really, affirmative action is the main program targeted purely at minorities and the U.S. government can in no way mandate that this be used in private companies.

Whites are the #1 recipient of welfare, not blacks. So, in other words, most of the money the government "robbed" from you went to you precious master race.

[iceniner]

Then why should the blacks be held responsible for being born into poor families that the American government made poor by allowing the importation of slaves and the segregation of the education system?

Are they equal or not? Which is it?

Whites are the #1 recipient of welfare, not blacks

Whites also pay the vast majority of taxes in this country. Your point was what?

Was it an attempt to lie with statistics? If so, you didn't do a very good job.

5.27% white* (5.27% of the white population is on welfare)
27.78% black* (27.78% of the black population is on welfare)

FWIW, it's not so much that I'm not in favor of welfare. It's paying for blacks that I'm not in favor of. I want my tax money to go to advance my own race the way that members of other races advance them.

[Kaydon]

Obviously I meant the present, not the past.

What about black slave owners, or White slaves in America and abroad?

Then why should the blacks be held responsible for being born into poor families that the American government made poor by allowing the importation of slaves and the segregation of the education system?

And iceniner, whites get welfare too. You act as if the government is giving all the blacks 40 acres and a mule and expecting only the whites to pay taxes. This is not the case. Really, affirmative action is the main program targeted purely at minorities and the U.S. government can in no way mandate that this be used in private companies.

Whites are the #1 recipient of welfare, not blacks. So, in other words, most of the money the government "robbed" from you went to you precious master race.


I promise you, blacks were poor before they became slaves. They were never intended to hold the status they do today; hence segregation. The facts point that blacks had a better education and livelihood before desegregation, since then the American school system has suffered tremendously in terms of dropout rate increases and it's been dumbed down so non-whites can succeed.

Sure, the most (in numbers) recipients of welfare are Whites, because Whites are the majority. It's the percentage of the population. I don't know the welfare statistics right off hand, but for crime: Blacks are roughly 14% of the US pop. and account for %54 of violent crime - that's disproportionate. It's the same for welfare.

Furthermore, welfare is only one facet of government help. The majority of recipients for housing vouchers and rent assistance, etc. are black; as are food stamps (although I had them when I was younger because my father lost his job for a period of 2 months). They serve a useful purpose, somewhat - but blacks abuse them as far as they can get away with.

As evidenced with my own 2 eyes, that welfare money goes to buy garbage for their car, and the majority of them sling dope (and I know the players in my town)

[odin_dax]

Then why should the blacks be held responsible for being born into poor families that the American government made poor by allowing the importation of slaves and the segregation of the education system?

I agree with ice on this point, though we differ on many details and reasoning. My position has nothing to do with race.

Being poor is not an excuse to commit any crimes. It doesn't matter if one is white, black, green, yellow or blue. There are plenty of black households that aren't poor. Everyone in this country that works hard enough can make it, even in the face of racism. No one is responsible for one's actions except the person committing the acts.

As I said in another thread, my ancestors didn't come to this country until after the Civil War. No one in my family owned slaves. I don't own slaves, never have. The idea of reparations is ridiculous because everyone who was ever a slave is long dead. You may experience racism, but the truth is, so do I. I'm not angry, I just shrug. I don't blame anyone for my position in life except myself. I'm not saying you do either, just saying.

There's no excuse for the ignorance that is running rampant on this board as of late, but it's equally unjust to be of the opposite extreme in that we must self-hate and be angry. The black leaders in America are an absolute disgrace, and I wish the black community had real leaders that actually tell them to work hard, be responsible and be happy. Al Sharpton is awful. Bill Crosby rocks.

[odin_dax]

FWIW, it's not so much that I'm not in favor of welfare. It's paying for blacks that I'm not in favor of. I want my tax money to go to advance my own race the way that members of other races advance them.

I'm not in favor of welfare. What's mine is mine. Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for life. It's a good motto. The problem with the US Government and welfare is that they're creating dependence, rather than independence.

[Kaydon]

Bill Crosby rocks.

Morgan Freeman is better. He doesn't believe in Black History Month.

The problem with the US Government and welfare is that they're creating dependence, rather than independence.

Truth.

[iceniner]

The problem with the US Government and welfare is that they're creating dependence, rather than independence.

And this is precisely the intent, just as it is with food aid in Africa.

I agree with ice on this point, though we differ on many details and reasoning. My position has nothing to do with race

The "conservative" position, especially the Tea Party position, is a coded version of race politics and has everything to do with race. Every single one of their policies does.

[odin_dax]

And this is precisely the intent, just as it is with food aid in Africa.

Maybe, but I don't oppose social programs because of racism, unlike you.

[iceniner]

Maybe, but I don't oppose social programs because of racism, unlike you.

No, not you. That would require that you be honest.

To you it's just "ghetto people."

It's funny to me when people expect us to react to accusations of racism like vampires react to garlic. To me, it's a point of pride.

[Kaydon]

Don't worry. He's been taught since birth to say it.

[odin_dax]

No, not you. That would require that you be honest.

To you it's just "ghetto people."

It's funny to me when people expect us to react to accusations of racism like vampires react to garlic. To me, it's a point of pride.

Oh, so now you're talking to me again. Awesome. The term "ghetto people" was addressed and clarified in the other thread, and as I said, it was devoid of race. Cheap move, ice.

I oppose social programs, that whites very much use too. Maybe if you acknowledged that "whites" actually use social services, then you might actually understand that point.

[odin_dax]

Don't worry. He's been taught since birth to say it.

Actually, I wasn't. I wasn't taught to be racist either, but it very much existed in my family tree. Stop assuming you know anything about me.

[iceniner]

Oh, so now you're talking to me again. Awesome. The term "ghetto people" was addressed and clarified in the other thread, and as I said, it was devoid of race. Cheap move, ice.

I'm just curious whether this is going to be one of those things like the discussion where you didn't know about the pagan roots of your jew religion.

[odin_dax]

I'm just curious whether this is going to be one of those things like the discussion where you didn't know about the pagan roots of your jew religion.

I knew about pagan roots in Judiasm and Christianity. I argued against your claim that Mithraism was the main source of inspiration for those religions. I proved you wrong and cited many sources to do so as well.

But, hey, if you want to dig up the past issues, go ahead.

[clockworks]

This is why there is no sickle cell anemia. It's why there are no epicanthic folds. Not to mention the profound IQ disparity between blacks and the rest.

One of the most ridiculous lies told by the left. In fact it's the foundational lie of all their other lies. In fact, we may very well have been on the verge of speciation.

Its not an IQ disparity as much as it is a socio-economic disparity. The lack of economic opportunities for blacks at one point in America's history is a large factor for the current state of affairs. The fact is that middle income blacks are on par with other races in terms of test scores and income. Hell some of my smartest friends are black.

That being said, while affirmative action was necessary in America's past, I'd propose that it is no longer necessary. Equalization of economic opportunity has occurred to a large degree and now affirmative action is a hindrance in that it makes black people dependent on handouts.

I know I won't change your mind with any of this. Just food for thought.

[iceniner]

Its not an IQ disparity as much as it is a socio-economic disparity.

Explain why it's true worldwide, no matter where they are. Explain why IQ in China is higher than the average IQ in America even though extreme poverty is still common there.

Unfortunately this idea doesn't hold any water.

[RoundElephant]

Its not an IQ disparity as much as it is a socio-economic disparity. The lack of economic opportunities for blacks at one point in America's history is a large factor for the current state of affairs. The fact is that middle income blacks are on par with other races in terms of test scores and income. Hell some of my smartest friends are black.


This argument does hold water and don't let the fascists tell you otherwise. Even if the IQ data is true (there are a ton of flaws in the theory), it doesn't account for the widespread black poverty. The are plenty of very intelligent poor people and mentally deficient rich ones.

[iceniner]

This argument does hold water and don't let the fascists tell you otherwise... it doesn't account for the widespread black poverty.

In what way does it not? You still have to explain why it's true across the board. The IQ data has been corrected for disparity in nutrition-- what more do you want? More dispensations perhaps?

The are plenty of very intelligent poor people and mentally deficient rich ones. Effectively anecdotal evidence that again doesn't hold any water-- there are plenty of very intelligent cocker spaniels but no cocker spaniel Nobel Prize winners.

You can shuck and jive all day but it doesn't change the facts.

[tram]

After reading this thread no-one can say all criminals are black.

Im white, nordic. =)

[чума]

1/2 German 1/2 Romanian you can call me Nosferatu if you want.

[Mikkel]

I'm Danish.. 100% pure Viking..

[Saturday]

After reading this thread no-one can say all criminals are black.

Im white, nordic. =)


I don't know if anyone says that all criminals are black. I think it is undoubtable that most criminals are black and hispanic, but I am not racist, I am looking at it from the standpoint of it's not a foul unless the ref blows the whistle. In other words, someone is not a criminal until they are prosecuted in court and sent to prison.

This may be due to lack of options or racism in the court systsms, but I think it is fair to say that many/most criminals are black, because they are convicted the most.

I would say that only a small percentage of crime is perpetrated by blacks, but unfortunately, the statistics do not reflect this.

[iceniner]

Parable of the scorpion and the frog.

[RoundElephant]

The punishment for crack possession has at times been exponentially more severe than that of cocaine possession of the same amount.

We all know that rich whites aren't smoking the crack pipe in the dorm rooms, we also know that poor blacks aren't snorting cocaine everyday to pull all-nighters and cram for their exams. If that isn't injustice and a blatant victimization of the poor population in America (no mater what color they are), I don't know what is.

[Saturday]

Not all white people are in dorm rooms and not all black people aren't in school, just to play devil's advocate here.

[iceniner]

The punishment for crack possession has at times been exponentially more severe than that of cocaine possession of the same amount

All drug laws in the US are race related, or were originally. I do think that with crack they could make a case that it's far more harmful but the stupid thing is that the "smart people" carry powder and then base it up in a bottlecap over a lighter. The law in this regard is just stupid and counterproductive because, of course, the law itself creates the black market.

There needs to be a profound revision of drug policy in the US. It's been a very slow process but I think it's coming.

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All drug laws in the US are race related, or were originally. I do think that with crack they could make a case that it's far more harmful but the stupid thing is that the "smart people" carry powder and then base it up in a bottlecap over a lighter. The law in this regard is just stupid and counterproductive because, of course, the law itself creates the black market.

There needs to be a profound revision of drug policy in the US. It's been a very slow process but I think it's coming.

No it's not coming, prop 19 failed in California: http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/11/03/us-usa-elections-marijuana-idUSTRE6A21H920101103

If they can't managed to legalize something that's a MAJOR part of their states economy, how can they expect to fix any of the drug laws. All the potheads voted on that too, which is why the vote was so close. Old people still remember all the bullshit propaganda they were spoon fed about race, drugs, and crime though, and since old people run all the country, they will always enforce the same, and continue the cycle of hate.

I'm English on both sides of my family, only 1/16 Irish, but I still managed to end up with red-brown hair and freckles.

[iceniner]

No it's not coming

As you typed that, there were hundreds of marijuana stores doing business openly in California, where even chronic headaches will get you a card to get more pot than anyone could ever reasonably smoke.

There have been vast changes in drug policy in even the last five years with more and more states getting medical marijuana programs even in places you wouldn't expect. Decriminalization and deprioritization are also spreading. I think even Maryland has a total legalization initiative on the table right now.

I don't know where you're from or anything like that but I'm talking about the United States. Don't know if you remember when people were being thrown in jail for possession of a single joint.

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As you typed that, there were hundreds of marijuana stores doing business openly in California, where even chronic headaches will get you a card to get more pot than anyone could ever reasonably smoke.

There have been vast changes in drug policy in even the last five years with more and more states getting medical marijuana programs even in places you wouldn't expect. Decriminalization and deprioritization are also spreading. I think even Maryland has a total legalization initiative on the table right now.

I don't know where you're from or anything like that but I'm talking about the United States. Don't know if you remember when people were being thrown in jail for possession of a single joint.

Prop 19 was mostly about legality of growing it, there several towns in California that who's economy would dry up completely if they managed to bust all the illegal growers. Arcata for instance, as well as a good chunk of the towns in the emerald triangle. Getting one of those fancy little cards, means that you're on the government list of potheads, who knows how LE may choose to use that information in the future. Alcohol prohibition basically came out of nowhere, just imagine if LE had a list of all the drunkards then.

That was mostly because of prohibitionists, those hyper-religious zealots that believe that the only drug should be the "white man's god." Seniors are all supporters of that concept, seniors also vote in record numbers. So I can tell you for a fact that Maryland won't be able to pass legalization either.

As long as "healthy", "god fearing" people run your country, there will never be a place for the legalization of any "drug."

Canada has the same problem (where I'm from), the initiative made in to parliament, but died there because the average age of parliament is over 45. I believe age is the problem, not race. Given exactly the same life experience, any single "black" person can accomplish the same thing as any single "white" person, and if it weren't for ignorant people constantly trying to point out the difference between them, that could be true.

(I think I'm only allowed to post 2 times per day. :banghead: so if you respond again Iceniner you'll have to wait till tomorrow til I can get back to you.)

[iceniner]

Things don't happen overnight. I think the drug prohibition thing is sort of like a muscle spasm. Very slowly in the late 80s and early 90s it started to relax, then relaxed faster and faster.

now there are stores selling the stuff.

>As long as "healthy", "god fearing" people run your country,

Right, in other words its days are numbered.

>Canada has the same problem

Arguably, but in Vancouver dealers sit on the street rolling joints with pie plates of buds and police walking by right in front of them and not even looking down.

Times have changed. They will continue to change.

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Been to Utah lately? Those Mormons aren't going away. The "deep south" is no better, despite the founding fathers of your country absolutely HATING religion and Christianity, your government accepts it completely, "In god we trust" and stuff like that. Ignorant, fear driven parents produce ignorant, fear driven children, that's just a fact.

A Muslim will never be elected president of your country, nor will an Atheist, a Jew is a possibility, but a VERY slim one. America is Christian all the way now... They even believe in a "white" Jesus who was never a Jew, it's a HUGE pile of :bs2:.

Pie plates of weed out in the open in front of cops eh? Try that and watch them take it for they're own "personal" use... Cops that let dealers slide do so because there's so many, that it's easier to "flip them" as rats than anything else. Organized crime is what they want to get rid of, not someone who just grows to smoke if for themselves.

Also, in Vancover, meth and crack are such huge problems that weed doesn't seem worth worrying about. Police have their hands full as it is. The same is true in most places in the US, the creation of newer, cheaper, more dangerous drugs, has lead to a laxing on the less harmful ones.

Times change, but the darkness of human ignorance is eternal.

(Yay, 3 posts today :biggthump)

[iceniner]

that weed doesn't seem worth worrying about. Police have their hands full as it is. The same is true in most places in the US, the creation of newer, cheaper, more dangerous drugs, has lead to a laxing on the less harmful ones.


It's been a very slow process but I think it's coming.

[Saturday]

There would be an atheist president in the US before a Jewish one.

[Voodoo]

But there's already more public support for Israel in the US than atheists... and you already have the Jews well established and respected in banking, and as political figures.
Atheism is a charge carrying almost more baggage with it than being foreign born, regardless of your current citizenship status.

People have demonstrated that they don't trust atheists, and that they find them "immoral". Naturally, most of this opposition consists of fundie fucks.

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But there's already more public support for Israel in the US than atheists... and you already have the Jews well established and respected in banking, and as political figures.
Atheism is a charge carrying almost more baggage with it than being foreign born, regardless of your current citizenship status.

People have demonstrated that they don't trust atheists, and that they find them "immoral". Naturally, most of this opposition consists of fundie fucks.

Exactly, so many politicians are elected for "good Christian values" that it's become the main selling point. There are Jews in the senate, but they won't ever reach "the highest office" because they aren't a Christian, there's too much fear that the US would become Israels lapdog (not like that isn't true already). If you're an atheist, it becomes good policy to claim you're a devout Christian, whether you are or not, if a politician ever publicly reticules the the states religion, they WILL be thrown out of office... They attempted to throw Clinton out of office for not adhering to Christian monogamy rules, had he admitted more than getting a bj, he'd have been gone. Clinton was the closest to an atheist that he White House will ever get, publicly, he was a Baptist.

So even is a atheist makes it to office, peer pressure will force Christian values on them.

Land of the free, home of the sheep...

(Oh, and lol: :hijacked:. Anyone want to move this topic to a new thread? I think that I still can't create them. :banghead:)

[iceniner]

There are Jews in the senate, but they won't ever reach "the highest office" because they aren't a Christian

Jews are overwhelmingly overrepresented in the US government, according to percentage of the population. Why would they want to have the presidency when they can run everything from the banking system to the military without it? They typically operate as lobbyists and high-powered party apparatchiks (all of the prominent Neocons except Fukuyama, in other words the entire Bush cabinet) and work their way into positions from which they can completely dominate all United States foreign policy.

You want to talk about peer pressure, try saying something negative about Israel and then make it as a politician.

Certainly true about atheists, however. Once again, however, this is changing and the movement of demographics is simply inexorable...

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Jews are overwhelmingly overrepresented in the US government, according to percentage of the population. Why would they want to have the presidency when they can run everything from the banking system to the military without it? They typically operate as lobbyists and high-powered party apparatchiks (all of the prominent Neocons except Fukuyama, in other words the entire Bush cabinet) and work their way into positions from which they can completely dominate all United States foreign policy.

You want to talk about peer pressure, try saying something negative about Israel and then make it as a politician.

Certainly true about atheists, however. Once again, however, this is changing and the movement of demographics is simply inexorable...

Wow, someone really fears the Jews, eh? Why all the hate man?

[Voodoo]

Certainly true about atheists, however. Once again, however, this is changing and the movement of demographics is simply inexorable...

Rhetoric and the occasional errors&straw man aside: we need more shit like Religulous (Bill Maher) to hit mainstream.

I hold no grudge against the Jews a group or individuals, but our nations pander too much to Israel. Are the Palestinians apt to go batshit crazy ever so often? Yes, but the Israelis have a taste for stormtrooper tactics and repression when things get out of hand over their careless handling of the Palestinians. It's a time honoured conservative tradition to stick with Israel through thick, thin, and dubious times.

I have disdain for both parties. We did force banking upon them, largely. Hey, money runs in families, and we just kicked those families off into riches long ago, as far as I'm concerned. Notice that a lot of famously rich Jews got their money from trusts and old estates, lots of time since the puritanical days of Christianity to consolidate wealthy houses. As we know, old money tends to be distrusted intensely, reasonably so or not. And such wealth carries much influence. And not for nothing, either, the French experience likely confirmed and set public opinion in stone regarding the.

As for politics? It's preferred to have one's "leaders" picked out for their resilience to manipulation, which makes special interest groups a poor choice for government. Especially when billions of dollars are involved, and corporate board-members comprise the house. When you have many Israeli/American dual citizens in power, it's inevitable that policy will veer from that which benefits Americans the most.

The same could be said of Saudi Arabians, a group with a clear vested interest in oil. And hardly a guarantee of loyalty to the US public, were they to take offices. All of this can be said of any entrenched group of any ethnicity within society, that may hold exclusive interest in benefiting any other parties. Dick Cheney was the former CEO of Halliburton, for fuck's sake. Even then, this means nothing to the average Jew. Because only a fraction of them hold such status, while being accused of such constantly by the fearful. Whatever happened to the stereotype of the low-income Jewish family cramped in a Bronx apartment? Overall, the idea of a sweeping Jewish elite with vast stockpiles of money, is a confabulation. But they hold disproportionate influence.

You know what demographic group holds more power than Jews? Old, impotent white men with high blood pressure, and an inflated sense of worth.

Now I'll end this essay that I pulled out of my ass, and remind you once more why I want to steer clear of any opinion threads. This babbling effluence spills out from where it belongs.

[iceniner]

Wow, someone really fears the Jews, eh? Why all the hate man?

Be very specific and precise and tell me exactly what was hateful or fearful about what I said.

Or, alternatively, recant your lie and admit that nothing in my post was in the least hateful or fearful. But you did give me an opportunity to say more on the subject, which I appreciate.

Jewish interests dominate the United States government on both sides of the aisle. Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry are also entirely controlled by jews. One of the three major television networks no longer shows news at all but spreads out-and-out lies in favor of israeli interests.

I actually don't really hate jews as a group-- they are certainly intelligent.

But I am also a realist about their degree of control. Their representation in government and the media is far out of any proportion to their tiny percentage of the population in the United States, which is roughly 2%.

Yet under the Bush administration, the vast majority of people in control positions were jewish. The architects of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were jews. Names like Feith, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle. Ari Fleischer. John Bolton. Lieberman. And the list doesn't stop there. It goes on and on.

Chertoff, the architect of the Patriot Act and DHS, is a jew.

Just to hammer the point home: these are the SPECIFIC PEOPLE behind the evisceration of the constitution that occurred in the last decade and continues unabated under Obama.

Rougly 1/3 to 1/2 of Obama's cabinet are jews.

As for the media, there are simply too many of them to reasonably mention. But CBS, Fox, MSNBC, Warner Brothers, AOL, New York Times, NBC, ABC, MTV, VIACOM, New York Times.

Pretty much ALL. (http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jews-in-the-media-hollywood/)

If you believe that I'm being unrealistic, consider that control of all social and government organizations in the west is their STATED goal. So not only am I looking at the list of names of people who run Hollywood and the US government, I'm considering what the jews themselves have said on the subject.

It's really simple and cut and dried and I'm always surprised that people argue about it. But then, their degree of control is so pervasive that any mention of the truth is verboten. Say anything about jewish control from a position of power and your career is over.

Everything I've said here is just a simple fact and is undeniable to any reasonable person.

It's also worth mentioning that in Israel, the place where jews have been given full control, they have established a racist, fascist apartheid state with 100% military conscription.

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Jews are overwhelmingly overrepresented in the US government, according to percentage of the population. Why would they want to have the presidency when they can run everything from the banking system to the military without it? They typically operate as lobbyists and high-powered party apparatchiks (all of the prominent Neocons except Fukuyama, in other words the entire Bush cabinet) and work their way into positions from which they can completely dominate all United States foreign policy.

When combined with your racist comments earlier in the thread, I took this paragraph as a rant. In that context, it can be viewed as hateful. 80% of language is non-verbal, over text that 80% is an assumption of the reader, it wasn't a lie...

Here's a question for you, to you, are Jews a race? Or just a religion? There's lots talk by people who think that Jews are oppressing them, but it is funny, because Jews have lost in every conflict they've ever been in historically. The Jewish spread by family only, they don't push the religion on people.

Christians and Muslims on the other hand will mercilessly beat their beliefs into "heathens" for their own amusement. Yes, Israel is a militant, elected dictatorship, but so is the US, that's where Israel got it's tactics from. If you put the US in the middle east, they'd do EXACTLY the same thing, they'd have even done so several HUNDRED years ago, long before the so called "Jewish power grip". Let's not forget that he US civil war was about a similar power struggle.

It's really simple and cut and dried and I'm always surprised that people argue about it. But then, their degree of control is so pervasive that any mention of the truth is verboten. Say anything about jewish control from a position of power and your career is over.

An entertainers career would be just as over if he said he heard the voice of Jesus, or talked about Muhammad. Hell, these days you can be banned for life if you're white and say the word "nigger". It's not JUST the Jewish that run everything. Jews own things because some Jewish families have the money to buy those things, it's a pretty simple concept created by economic beliefs of your country. From a position of power, if you say negative tings about ANY specific group or religion, it will be bad for your career, not just the Jews.

[iceniner]

it can be viewed as hateful. 80% of language is non-verbal, over text that 80% is an assumption of the reader, it wasn't a lie...

In other words I didn't really say anything hateful or fearful, yet you claimed so anyway. So your opener in this conversation, a conversation that has been going for something like two years, all told, contained two lies. Inauspicious. Was your position so weak that you needed to attack strawman versions of my statements rather than the statements themselves?

Christians and Muslims on the other hand will mercilessly beat their beliefs into "heathens" for their own amusement.

This is a non-sequitur.

Here's a question for you, to you, are Jews a race? Or just a religion? There's lots talk by people who think that Jews are oppressing them, but it is funny, because Jews have lost in every conflict they've ever been in historically. The Jewish spread by family only, they don't push the religion on people.

Non-sequitur.

Yes, Israel is a militant, elected dictatorship, but so is the US, that's where Israel got it's tactics from.

The term "tactics" is specific. Israel got its tactics from the Nazis. Also, non-sequitur-- where they got their ghetto-clearing methods is irrelevant. Though ironic and not supportive of your position.

Hilarious that you didn't even try to refute anything I said.

I reiterate: All major US media are controlled by Jews. The US government is controlled by Jews and US foreign policy dominated by the interests of Israel.

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In other words I didn't really say anything hateful or fearful, yet you claimed so anyway. So your opener in this conversation, a conversation that has been going for something like two years, all told, contained two lies. Inauspicious. Was your position so weak that you needed to attack strawman versions of my statements rather than the statements themselves?

No, I'm saying the statements as a whole in this thread sound like you have some major axe to grind with everyone on the planet that isn't exactly like you. Statements like "white people are smarter than everyone else" ARE hateful statements regardless how you read them, when you moved onto Jews, it quite sounded like a continuation of the same hateful racist banter. That is why I was asking if they are a race in your opinion.

Also know that statements directed at me that include things like "recant your lie" are very aggressive, and do nothing to make me believe that you're tone is not hateful. Calling me a liar is only meant it illicit an emotional response from me, not challenge me in debate, it would be good of you to learn the difference.

This is a non-sequitur.

I can turn on my television, and see ads for the LDS, and other Christan evangelists. I can go around the world and see missionaries that push Christianity on EVERYBODY. All the Jews have ever done is keep to their own community, and horde money. If everyone in the US was like that, there'd be a lot less problems. Jews as a whole don't cause many problems at all, it's ignorant perceptions of them and their power that cause problems.

The term "tactics" is specific. Israel got its tactics from the Nazis. Also, non-sequitur-- where they got their ghetto-clearing methods is irrelevant. Though ironic and not supportive of your position.

Name one purely Nazi tactic they use? It's a military state, but the amount they have in common with Nazi Germany is VERY limited, if anything. Moving people out of an an area isn't "ghetto-clearing", at no point did they make people wear ID marks, deny access to tv/radio or load people on to trains to transport them. YOUR argument is non-sequitur sir.

Hilarious that you didn't even try to refute anything I said.

Not really, you pick and choose which points you respond to anyway, seem like I should be permitted to do the same when arguing with you. This thread has gotten off the topic of race unless you think the Jews are a race, which I also note is a question you refuse to answer.

I reiterate: All major US media are controlled by Jews. The US government is controlled by Jews and US foreign policy dominated by the interests of Israel.

I didn't refute your opinion because it is just that, your opinion. Yes, there are many Jewish property owners, and politicians. That doesn't mean that he Zionist explanation you put forward is real or correct, may are lapsed Jews and don't necessarily care about Israel at all. If things were truly as bad as you seem to claim, kosher restaurants would be a LOT more common in the US, so would large scale Ghettos (by the only term, not the WWII one).

And then we have to get into the definition of a "pure" hasidic Jew. By definition, they are the most Jewish of any Jew. By your logic, they should be the most power hungry of the bunch, but they aren't.

Edit: for spelling, I typed this fast, just after I woke up. @.@

[iceniner]

That was hilarious. Do more just like that.

Name one purely Nazi tactic they use? It's a military state, but the amount they have in common with Nazi Germany is VERY limited, if anything. Moving people out of an an area isn't "ghetto-clearing", at no point did they make people wear ID marks, deny access to tv/radio or load people on to trains to transport them. YOUR argument is non-sequitur sir.

You are someone who doesn't have any information on the subject, who knows nothing of Israeli or German military history, telling someone who has copious information on the subject how it is.

Do more.

You sound like an Israeli apologist. Are you yourself jewish?

I didn't refute your opinion because it is just that, your opinion.

How old are you? I ask because you seem to have a misunderstanding regarding what an opinion is, and what a fact is. My statements regarding jewish and israeli power and influence within the United States are all simple facts and are all a matter of public record.

Is this going to be yet another of those exchanges where I'm educating the person who is trying to argue with me at the same time he's trying to argue with me?

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No, not Jewish. I don't think I've ever even known a Jew personally, in fact, I'm one of the people that believe that he holocaust was nowhere near as bad as it was claimed publicly. I do think that any person, group or race that claims they are being held down by another race or religion are completely full of crap. If the "evil Jews" are out to get you, and destroy your way of life, you should simple go stop them yourself, not bitch to he world about them.

You're no better than the people that say that Freemasons or the Illuminati run the world. Their arguments are always crap, and always will be, it's too much work for anyone to bother trying to secretly control the whole world. It's hard enough publicly keeping your own country from collapsing on itself.

The simple truth is: the US is running out of friends. They will do anything they can to keep the ones they have. If that means being another countries lapdog, they they accept it without complaining to the masses of their ignorant, under educated population. The only thing that America leads the world in is arrogance. That seems to fit you exactly, after all, you claim that you know things that I don't... I would never be so arrogant as to assume that. If you think you can correct me, feel free to state an actual fact instead of an opinion, if you can't, if just proves to have no real facts to back up your argument.

I wouldn't care if the Israelis take a piss or go fishing because they are very far away from me. Just because your country is trying to take over the middle east for itself to get the oil, is no reason to claim they do it all because Israel told them to.

[iceniner]

you should simple go stop them yourself, not bitch to he world about them.

OK, we can do your post piece by piece.

Be specific: When, precisely, did I bitch? Be very specific and exact and provide quotes.

And answer the question: how old are you?

I'm one of the people that believe that he holocaust was nowhere near as bad as it was claimed publicly.

Hard to say but I suspect that the numbers are fairly close to correct and if anything may in fact be understated. You mentioned your views on the holocaust numbers why?

If you think you can correct me, feel free to state an actual fact instead of an opinion

Once again, the misunderstood definitions of fact and opinion.

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:sigh1: I started quoting you at the point you started posting in this thread, but there are just so many instances of arrogant complaining that that I'd be quoting use about everything you say. I could make references to several other threads involving Odin too.

Jewish interests dominate the United States government on both sides of the aisle. Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry are also entirely controlled by jews. One of the three major television networks no longer shows news at all but spreads out-and-out lies in favor of israeli interests.

Just to hammer the point home: these are the SPECIFIC PEOPLE behind the evisceration of the constitution that occurred in the last decade and continues unabated under Obama.

Just a few, to get my point across. Tell me, what in that pile of hateful rhetoric was fact?

Is this going to be yet another of those exchanges where I'm educating the person who is trying to argue with me at the same time he's trying to argue with me?

I loled at this one btw, not only is it bitching, it's stating things the way they happen anyway. In the majority of cases, people argue because of only 2 reasons: (1) Someone is unaware of a fact, but otherwise agree. (2) All facts are known to both, but opinions differ. The only way to "win" an argument, is in the first case. Saying that is like saying that you don't want to win the argument, if that's the case, you should just stop posting and let the thread die.

As for saying my age: why the hell would I if you won't even answer the simple question I asked you? Also attempting to push a person's age into a discussion screams of low intellect, and poor ability to hold your ideas on their own merits. You already selectively answer points, and use personal attacks, seems silly to bring age into it as well, since I may well be older than you anyway.

Hard to say but I suspect that the numbers are fairly close to correct and if anything may in fact be understated. You mentioned your views on the holocaust numbers why?

Well, Israel was created as a reparation for the holocaust. An Israeli apologist would, by definition play the "Jews need sympathy" card. I don't refute the numbers, I refute the methodology. There's plenty of evidence to say that many more Jews that died in the prison camps did so because of the food supply lines being cut by the war, than direct, intended genocide. After all, that Jews have have been "rats" in the eyes of the Nazis, but they were still useful as labor. You're also the one that brought up the Nazi subject here in the first place. Seems like bs to pretend like this topic wasn't going to come up too.

Yes, Jews holding positions of power is a fact. Anything you say about what they do with that power is opinion. Is there something about that you don't understand? Show me proof that US does anything because Israel told it to and not because it was in their own interest anyway. You've provided NOTHING on that but an opinion that it happens.

[iceniner]

Your behavior here has been rude and belligerent. You entered into a discussion that was essentially over and done with some months before you arrived here. You did so guns blazing, with numerous ad hominem statements and factual errors.

We can discuss this when you're ready to be civil. If I feel so inclined. Because of your behavior here I probably won't and you can discuss it with one of the other children.

since I may well be older than you anyway.

That's hilarious. Don't I wish. What I think is that you're an anime kid.

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2 days is a LONG way off of a month, just saying.

I'm not the one who started with the personal attacks, seems petty to complain about a taste of your own medicine.

If there was truly a factual error, you'd be able to correct it a cite a source, you can't, so there probably isn't. What you're doing is conceding a victory to someone but being a poor loser.

I've seen anime yes, but I haven't been a kid in a very long time... I don't see you being very eager to post your age either.

[iceniner]

I'm hardly complaining, I just don't have the inclination to bother. You expect me to lavish time on you why, exactly?

Best of luck here.

BTW, do feel free to join my entourage of worshipers. They worship me with hate. There is some shitty water in one of my bootprints a ways back, you could lap at it if you like.

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*shrug* Because I enjoy arguing with the willfully ignorant? Is that a good enough reason for you? Honestly, I could ask you that same question if I wanted, but I don't think that someone else should tell me what my motivations are.

Thanks for the offer, but no, I got my own water to drink, cool, clear, Canadian water... Ahhhh, refreshing. I'm sure if you and I agree on something later, I won't hesitate to say so, but our opinions seen to differ when it comes to race and religion.

[iceniner]

Because I enjoy arguing with the willfully ignorant?

That's good. You should just talk to yourself which is what you're going to be doing here.

[madscientist]

The US government is controlled by Jews and US foreign policy dominated by the interests of Israel.

There's a reason for this, and it's not because Jews rule the world. :P

Israel's national interests synergize with US business interests, which benefit tremendously from the presence of a friendly, destabilizing, militant state in a strategically critical region.

[iceniner]

There's a reason for this, and it's not because Jews rule the world. :P

Under the Bush regime, the movers and shakers were all jewish. There was even talk of trying them for treason (like that would ever happen). These are the people who lied us into two wars.

It's interesting that in many places, very possibly including Canada, you can be jailed for saying what ^.^ said about the Holocaust. How and why did it become this way? Whose agenda was it?

I personally think the 6 million figure from the Holocaust is probably accurate, though it was kind of him to support my position on this subject. But when and how did it become a jewish tragedy? I'm actually not antisemitic but Jewish power in the media and the US government is far, far out of proportion to their percentage of the population.

Government power aside, the United States media is owned by Jews. And again, this is just a simple fact and I find it strange that anyone would try to argue it (especially someone who has views about the Holocaust that he could be jailed for...)

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But then this is a guy who earlier in the thread opined that drug policy wasn't changing... so yeah.