digfeiting questions

[DISDICK]

someone i once met told me - pre 1996 bills are somewhat hard to come across these days, so he was thinking instead of changing 5 dollar bills into 20 dollar bills, someone could change pre 2003 1 dollar bills into pre 2003 10 dollar bills

the reason people did pre 1996 5's to 20's. was because of the watermark, but no one checks 10's anyways

and another question, wouldn't an inkjet printer work until the bill got wet?

[Th0r]

Ever wonder why the NE Board has a Q&A section?

It wouldn't at all be for you to post questions and get answers, as opposed to clogging up the main board.

[teo333]

um.. this is my area of specialty although I don't forge money. ppl don't necessarily look at the bill but feel it w their fingertips. what ppl feel in a bill is the offset print ink & when they can't feel the ink, ppl can instinctively tell something is wrong with that bill.

so, no. u can't print a bill that remotely feels like genuine bill w desktop printers. U need to run several runs to get the metalic, color, and finally black ink on a bill. it's a very elaborate process and u need to invest at least $100,000 in equipments to have the capacity to forge bills. $100,000 if u know what u need to get & know where u need to go to get them.

even if u got what u need in terms of equipment, offset printing requires talent. someone who worked with offset printing press for 20 yrs or so would be able to do the job but if u never had experience with offset printing, forget about it kid.

if u really really want to learn how to do the job, go to Norh Korea and get hired in their Supernote factory. LOL

[Th0r]

Don't address people as kid with that level of grammar. Adulthood on the Internet is displayed through maturity. Maturity is in turn represented by good grammar and etiquette.

XXX

I would of thought it obvious that regardless of the standard of printer; Inkjet or not, paper or more specifically the type of paper pays a large part in the success of your operation.

Oh, and people the same age as the experience you hypothesise is required to produce fake currency working with a significantly smaller budget than the one you hypothesised have pulled off successful counterfeit currency production operations.

[iceman69]

There was a ab dick 360 press on ebore for 700.00
That would get ya started. Inkjet wont work so Im told a super highend laser will. People crumple the notes after to produce a faux feel of the paper. Sometimes as far as foreign objects In a dryer with finished paper. Lasers produce yellow dots like a fingerprint identifying your machine so be careful how you purchase it. Also a very very high dpi is required. Nt to mention can you match ink color with your machine? People do it everyday and some get caught and some dont. Midnight drug money under the oak tree

[G-Lock]

Well I can tell something about this, as I know a guy who's father was deeply involved in a huge counterfeiting operation of Euros. They got caught, alone he made about 3-4mil (that's official property and cash, I'm sure he stashed some for the future)in a few years though punishment was a slap on the hand lol, well they'll spend some time in the hole, but it's not hardcore..
Soo.. that dude told me some of the details of the operation I won't go into, as they are worth money by themself lol, but it's far from what you'd call "A highly sophisticated experts working at the forgeries" (though LE was sure that's some type of huge organisation of criminals with connections in federal layers). None of them had a real idea of how to operate these presses, so one dude taught them (offset printing), in fact they were just some simple guys, not even criminals, but had a good imagination and were creative.
Basically what's a lot more important is PAPER, not the ink or type of printing, or even a color, as many people just can't differentiate them that well. If you find a way to acquire paper/reproduce the feel of it - u r set. Even an inkjet would do on a smaller scale. Main visible security features is the no.2 issue if you want to reproduce somewhat "perfect'ish" notes to fool general public/cashiers/etc... These guys found ways around of many of current security features by just the simple supplies everybody can acquire.

What i wanted to say - there's no need to invest hundnreds of thousands of dollars if you know what you r doing, but it's a tough game, as getting caught isn't that hard (and they were practising conspiration to a good level).

Btw, I've red some report on recent bust in Spain where guys were pumping really good qual Euros of 100/200/500 nominal with all the holos (!) and other sh1t. Millions of cash which would easily fool even experienced people. And holos are the key in currency like that, basically that's the feature that's hardest to replicate at the moment.

[7eleven mafia]

um.. this is my area of specialty although I don't forge money. ppl don't necessarily look at the bill but feel it w their fingertips. what ppl feel in a bill is the offset print ink & when they can't feel the ink, ppl can instinctively tell something is wrong with that bill.

so, no. u can't print a bill that remotely feels like genuine bill w desktop printers. U need to run several runs to get the metalic, color, and finally black ink on a bill. it's a very elaborate process and u need to invest at least $100,000 in equipments to have the capacity to forge bills. $100,000 if u know what u need to get & know where u need to go to get them.

even if u got what u need in terms of equipment, offset printing requires talent. someone who worked with offset printing press for 20 yrs or so would be able to do the job but if u never had experience with offset printing, forget about it kid.

if u really really want to learn how to do the job, go to Norh Korea and get hired in their Supernote factory. LOL

correct me if im wrong, US bills get their feel not from the ink but from the paper, which is comprised of Nylon, and other fibers which give the bill its unique feeling which cannot be bought any where else besides the Crane paper company which has a sole and only contract to produce the paper used in the process of making US bills

no need to be a ass with your last comment, were all trying to learn things, and thats why were on this forum to discuss things which may or may not be illegal

[teo333]

i am sorry. it was a joke, not a put down on anyone.

as far as the paper, it's actually contton/linen. i forget the exact ratio but u can't get the paper anywhere except a very close match in Germany. intaglio print (raised ink) is one of the best security features on US currency & when this is lacking, people handling the bill instintively know (throght their fingertips) that the bill isn't genuine.

fyi, this isn't the best site to learn any real deal. Rorta function as a front to distract SS & FBI. the real site is well hidden. well, too many ppl were getting to that site so a phony message was sent out recently that the site has been closed (it has been moved) to lose some ppl. so u may have harder time finding it now.

if u want to learn things like intaglio, shifting color ink and other latest techniques of counterfeiting, u really need to go there or somewhere else, not here. u can also look for the counterfeit kit that's coming out soon. i was told that it will go on sale like next month.

sorry i can't mention other sites since i dont' want to get banned here. i want to grow up & become a cop one day so i come here to monitor the types of cons that are being committed.

[G-Lock]

Well, guys I mentioned got around intaglio (raised ink feeling, not the micro details) by quite a primitive way, it's actually far from important as much as the actual paper notes are printed on.

Teo, are you talking about a site that starts with "r"?

[teo333]

sorry. can't disclose any info concerning "the site". it's for ppl who are in the business full-time anyway.

[Vallen]

Just give the address the feds are watching it anyway by now.

[teo333]

it's a floater site. only people on the e-mail list gets notified of address changes. address is really weird & long character that changes whenever. i am not high enough on the rank to invite anyone in.

ppl, stop asking for sensitive info here. like Vallen said, Feds are watching Rorta all the time. geez.

[Th0r]

If you aren't willing to give links then why the fuck are you talking about it...?

Teo333, you're really starting to piss me off now. Review your forum etiquette and review your behaviour. No one cares for the Mr. Wizard. It's that simple.

[Paranoid Ecstasy]

sorry i can't mention other sites since i dont' want to get banned here. i want to grow up & become a cop one day so i come here to monitor the types of cons that are being committed.


You said you were already a cop.


years ago, i had actually prosecuted two boys who did exactly what the hoest theif is describing above. scared the jesus out of them & pled them out with probation. i guess all kids think the same. LOL

ThOr, I WAS, no longer. I was a "Jeffco Nazi" for few month. our #1 export/cash crop was (still is) marijuana and we had standing order not to prosecute pot farmers. course, we bust your ass if u r caught w paraphernalia like pipes cuz "niggers" & white trash use them to smoke crack.

got out cuz #1. i am no pot head & hated smoking (fellow DAs were making me, almost forcing me to smoke that nasty stuff whenever there was a gathering or party) & #2, i am no racist. besides, i was there to learn the inner workings of law enforcement in the first place anyhow.

my specialty was paper tripping (during my college years) & wire fraud (during law school) so long before i was a prosecutor, i was a bona fide outlaw.

couple of my law school buddies still work there as DA & they sell pot (really good quality, i tell u, one puff & i am gone for days) as a side business since their annual salary is something like $45k (started out making $34k) & they can't even pay off student loans w their salary.

now, what part of my life story is inconsistent to you? r u just too naive to think that law enforcements themselves are upright citizens who never break the law? some of the Outfits (same is true for the Five Families) are law enforcement officers & i don even know how many FBI agents are on someone else's payroll.




Nice one.

Can we use that ban hammer already?

[thief]

teo333 your spelling and grammar are making me feel ill. They really will let anybody into the force now wont they, Jesus Christ. That’s of course if you are/where at all.
The amount of lies your saying is crazy.

"couple of my law school buddies still work there as DA & they sell pot (really good quality, i tell u, one puff & i am gone for days)" DAYS.. not just an hour or two but DAYS. hahahahahah... from pot. Come on man.
"forcing me to smoke that nasty stuff whenever there was a gathering" You have been watching too much "Training Day"
Just stop... please.

[odin_dax]

Just give the address the feds are watching it anyway by now.

You assume the FEDs don't know. I find that highly improbable.

Security is a lot better since SC, but if the FEDs corner a criminal and press him, then we know what happens after that, and the first one gets off easy. Nothing is safe online.

[Vallen]

it's a floater site. only people on the e-mail list gets notified of address changes. address is really weird & long character that changes whenever. i am not high enough on the rank to invite anyone in.

ppl, stop asking for sensitive info here. like Vallen said, Feds are watching Rorta all the time. geez.

No I did not say that,
I said they are watching your site already.

It doesn't matter if they change the domain its usually public info.
If not its not that hard to find out the new address.

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[DISDICK]

um.. this is my area of specialty although I don't forge money. ppl don't necessarily look at the bill but feel it w their fingertips. what ppl feel in a bill is the offset print ink .....

u need to invest at least $100,000 in equipments to have the capacity to forge bills. $100,000 if u know what u need to get & know where u need to go to get them.

even if u got what u need in terms of equipment, offset printing requires talent. someone who worked with offset printing press for 20 yrs or so would be able to do the job but if u never had experience with offset printing, forget about it kid.

if u really really want to learn how to do the job, go to Norh Korea and get hired in their Supernote factory. LOL

right. not once have i paid attention to how the ink feels on a dollar and i'm a very articulate person. but hey that's just me

correct me if im wrong, US bills get their feel not from the ink but from the paper, which is comprised of Nylon, and other fibers which give the bill its unique feeling which cannot be bought any where else besides the Crane paper company which has a sole and only contract to produce the paper used in the process of making US bills

no need to be a ass with your last comment, were all trying to learn things, and thats why were on this forum to discuss things which may or may not be illegal

+1

i am sorry. it was a joke, not a put down on anyone.

as far as the paper, it's actually contton/linen. i forget the exact ratio but u can't get the paper anywhere except a very close match in Germany. ........


fyi, this isn't the best site to learn any real deal. Rorta function as a front to distract SS & FBI. the real site is well hidden. well, too many ppl were getting to that site so a phony message was sent out recently that the site has been closed (it has been moved) to lose some ppl. so u may have harder time finding it now.

if u want to learn things like intaglio, shifting color ink and other latest techniques of counterfeiting, u really need to go there or somewhere else, not here. u can also look for the counterfeit kit that's coming out soon. i was told that it will go on sale like next month.

sorry i can't mention other sites since i dont' want to get banned here. i want to grow up & become a cop one day so i come here to monitor the types of cons that are being committed.

when you say things like this, all it takes is one person less than an hour to find out what sites you've visited recently. shit i could do it if i wanted

and you say the only place to get that feel from is germany? how about my original idea of using US bills, but washing the original prints off?

Well, guys I mentioned got around intaglio (raised ink feeling, not the micro details) by quite a primitive way, it's actually far from important as much as the actual paper notes are printed on.

Teo, are you talking about a site that starts with "r"?

5 steps north, 3 steps left and you'll find the magic treasure, you guys have a cute little guessing game going on here

teo333 your spelling and grammar are making me feel ill. They really will let anybody into the force now wont they, Jesus Christ. That?s of course if you are/where at all.
The amount of lies your saying is crazy.

"couple of my law school buddies still work there as DA & they sell pot (really good quality, i tell u, one puff & i am gone for days)" DAYS.. not just an hour or two but DAYS. hahahahahah... from pot. Come on man.
"forcing me to smoke that nasty stuff whenever there was a gathering" You have been watching too much "Training Day"
Just stop... please.

do you ridicule borderline retarded people when they walk into the grocery store or library? do you ask them to leave? i don't think so, so why is it such a cool thing to do on this forum?

if someone posts blatant lies, i don't understand why everybody blows it up, it's super obvious none of teo's ideas have truth or even make sense, why not just move on

[odin_dax]

We did, DIS. We banned him.

[thief]

do you ridicule borderline retarded people when they walk into the grocery store or library? do you ask them to leave?

No, they are thrown out.