obama joker image

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http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu294/NINEGAUGE/socialism.jpg

there seems to be a large amount of these posters going around in my area so i decided to look into it. aparently an unknow figure in south california started hanging this up. a few weeks later a famous conspiray theorist/documentary maker with his own talk show by the name of alex jones is now doing skits making fun of these posters.

now he is offering 1000$ to the best video of these images going up.he is even selling T-shirts with the image on them.

on these images are a variety of words being facism socialism and infowars.com. i think there is one more but i dont remember.

but its not just obama posters. there are posters of bush and pelosi floating around as the joker as well. but its mostly obama.

several people have called these racist but after looking deeper into the history of the sort of people who have been posting these around. what we have are the conservatives that feel as though their rights have been violated. its not a left or right wing thing ether because bush violated the rights of the people too acording to these articles that these people have sent me.

these posters being spread and massive amounts of people talking about revolutions as well as these tea party events where most of the politicans get booed off the stage.

i was right when i said 2009 was going to be one hell of a year and so far it has been

[blastedforums]

I am not even going to bother...
The people putting them up and labeling him a socialist are clearly uneducated, conservative and sensationalist.
Bush did far worse thing to remove peoples rights than Obama has done. Because Obama has done nothing to remove anyone's rights. Remember the Patriot Act? The DMCA?
This people need to get a clue and get a life.

[odin_dax]

I am not even going to bother...
The people putting them up and labeling him a socialist are clearly uneducated, conservative and sensationalist.
Bush did far worse thing to remove peoples rights than Obama has done. Because Obama has done nothing to remove anyone's rights. Remember the Patriot Act? The DMCA?
This people need to get a clue and get a life.

The DMCA is justified and right. The popularity of stealing movies, music and whatever else off the internet doesn't make it legal or just. Besides, President Clinton signed it, not Bush. :banghead:

Obama also renewed the Patriot Act, which hardly removes our privacy. :rippedhan


The image was great, NINE. :cool3:

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The DMCA is justified and right. The popularity of stealing movies, music and whatever else off the internet doesn't make it legal or just. Besides, President Clinton signed it, not Bush. :banghead:

Obama also renewed the Patriot Act, which hardly removes our privacy. :rippedhan


The image was great, NINE. :cool3:

thankyou. i have a t shirt with that image on it and you can get your own from www.infowars.com

[blastedforums]

The DMCA is justified and right. The popularity of stealing movies, music and whatever else off the internet doesn't make it legal or just. Besides, President Clinton signed it, not Bush. :banghead:

Obama also renewed the Patriot Act, which hardly removes our privacy. :rippedhan


The image was great, NINE. :cool3:
Your right it was one of Clinton's last bills.
The DMCA removes many user rights, like legal back up and copying. Severely limits free use clauses. Among many other unfriendly user rights.

Obama signed a much watered down version compared to the original Patriot act. He had many things removed and time stamped for removal. Things that Bush never did or even contemplated doing. Hell the damned thing should have never been signed to begin with.

[crazy white guy]

Since when does the word "socialism" have a negative connotation?

[blastedforums]

Since when does the word "socialism" have a negative connotation?

Because there are too many idiots that read "Socialist" as meaning "Communist".
The two are nothing alike and are nowhere near the same meaning.
There are many forms of Socialism, and there are many forms of Communism. Just like there are many forms of Democracy and just about any other form of conventional government.

People are too scared to read and learn about these things so they jump on these bandwagons without realizing anything about it.

[Th0r]

More to the point why are African-Americans going on about this being racist?

(When it's actually stupid and utterly inane.)

I read in the Guardian, I believe it was, that African-American's have been inviting the bloke who started putting these up to explain why he's done this (And probably rightly so.) but also moaning about this being racist. Fucking PC crap.

[thief]

http://www.conspiracycards.com/Toys/Obahama_Joker_BobbleHead.jpg

[odin_dax]

Since when does the word "socialism" have a negative connotation?

When did it have a positive? It all depends on the people.

[blastedforums]

When did it have a positive? It all depends on the people.

Positive socialism...
Most of Europe? That is one hell of an example I think.

The people do not matter, it is the ways and means that the government is run.
Democratic Socialism is (in my opinion) one of the best forms of government period. My first choice is Democratic Libertarianism. But Democratic Socialism is a close second. And if conservatives would actually look at Democratic Libertarianism I think that they would like it very much.
Minimalist Government, Respects rights of individuals, puts responsibility on individuals.

Yes you have Communist Socialism, but that does not equal the term "socialism".

[odin_dax]

I can't say that it is at all positive. I've lived in Denmark for years. It works for them because Danes are brought up into the system, but...

1. They have a progressive tax system. Basically, people equal out. It seems like hypocrisy because the queen is paid 20 million kroner a year.

2. Healthcare is good, but it doesn't include dental work.

3. Everything is super expensive.

4. Good and bad, you can't sue people or institutions. If the hospital fucks up, that's the end.

5. Workers comp takes at least one year to start. By that time, you're healthy and working again!

That's just Denmark.

I have friends in England, Sweden, Finland, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, France, Belgium, and many more. I'm quite positive socialism isn't all roses in Europe as you would like us believe. Capitalism isn't perfect either, but it's best in theory. The problem with capitalism began when the federal government instituted national programs. Have you ever seen the statistics on America in the late 1800's, before government got involved? The numbers are staggeringly positive.

As a conservative, I can agree with many ideals of Libertarianism, but they are very extreme in freedom. I can't say I agree with their position on immigration, but there might be some merit in legalizing prostitution. I'd rather have drugs not legal.

[blastedforums]

I can't say that it is at all positive. I've lived in Denmark for years. It works for them because Danes are brought up into the system, but...

1. They have a progressive tax system. Basically, people equal out. It seems like hypocrisy because the queen is paid 20 million kroner a year.

2. Healthcare is good, but it doesn't include dental work.

3. Everything is super expensive.

4. Good and bad, you can't sue people or institutions. If the hospital fucks up, that's the end.

5. Workers comp takes at least one year to start. By that time, you're healthy and working again!

That's just Denmark.

I have friends in England, Sweden, Finland, Spain, Italy, Austria, Germany, France, Belgium, and many more. I'm quite positive socialism isn't all roses in Europe as you would like us believe. Capitalism isn't perfect either, but it's best in theory. The problem with capitalism began when the federal government instituted national programs. Have you ever seen the statistics on America in the late 1800's, before government got involved? The numbers are staggeringly positive.

As a conservative, I can agree with many ideals of Libertarianism, but they are very extreme in freedom. I can't say I agree with their position on immigration, but there might be some merit in legalizing prostitution. I'd rather have drugs not legal.

I am a veteran.
I can go the the VA if I need to.
I would however rather die than go there. The care they give is horrid. It is only topped by active service medical care. I was told many times by a Navy Medical Captain that I had a brain tumor. The only evidence they had? I had a fluctuating hearing range. I worked on the flight line around jet engines. The high pitches get your ear drums ringing and you can hear any and everything once you are away from them for several hours until they calm down.
Even after he came to this conclusion several times, he never once asked me what I did or was that morning, and never ever sent me for a MRI/CT/X-Ray.

The US spends more per captia than many socialized medical care countries.
Yet near or over some 30% of Americans are not covered. That is fact.

The cost of medical care that is currently spent is more than enough to actually provide medical care for all Americans. Again that is fact.

So given these two understandings... why in the flying face of Jesus is every American not covered?

I know all about the stranglehold and profiteering of medical insurance companies. Let's move past that and special interests.
What is the reason why all Americans are not covered?

You have these medical care giver operations that normally travel the world to give care to those that are in need. Why have they been touring the US for the past year and still cannot help everyone that needs it?

These political asses need to be held accountable for the people that they are elected to represent. What I truly cannot understand is why the uninsured are not raising about hell when they actually have a real chance at getting help. Meanwhile all these people that DO have coverage are raising hell against covering the fellow citizen.
This country is getting more and more completely fucking ass backwards as the days go by.
This is not the country that I took the pledge to defend.

[lcnostra]

Obama signed a much watered down version compared to the original Patriot act. He had many things removed and time stamped for removal. Things that Bush never did or even contemplated doing. Hell the damned thing should have never been signed to begin with.

This is true. Most people who criticize Obama on the basis of him renewing the Patriot Act have no idea about the ridiculous provisions he was essentially forced to sign. He had to make a difficult decision, and it was a true catch-22. I think it would be good for some of the bandwagon Obama-haters to read up and consider what they would have done in his shoes.

[odin_dax]

I am a veteran.
I can go the the VA if I need to.
I would however rather die than go there. The care they give is horrid. It is only topped by active service medical care. I was told many times by a Navy Medical Captain that I had a brain tumor. The only evidence they had? I had a fluctuating hearing range. I worked on the flight line around jet engines. The high pitches get your ear drums ringing and you can hear any and everything once you are away from them for several hours until they calm down.
Even after he came to this conclusion several times, he never once asked me what I did or was that morning, and never ever sent me for a MRI/CT/X-Ray.

The US spends more per captia than many socialized medical care countries.
Yet near or over some 30% of Americans are not covered. That is fact.

The cost of medical care that is currently spent is more than enough to actually provide medical care for all Americans. Again that is fact.

So given these two understandings... why in the flying face of Jesus is every American not covered?

I know all about the stranglehold and profiteering of medical insurance companies. Let's move past that and special interests.
What is the reason why all Americans are not covered?

You have these medical care giver operations that normally travel the world to give care to those that are in need. Why have they been touring the US for the past year and still cannot help everyone that needs it?

These political asses need to be held accountable for the people that they are elected to represent. What I truly cannot understand is why the uninsured are not raising about hell when they actually have a real chance at getting help. Meanwhile all these people that DO have coverage are raising hell against covering the fellow citizen.
This country is getting more and more completely fucking ass backwards as the days go by.
This is not the country that I took the pledge to defend.

If the care you received at the VA is so bad, why do you want the government to get into the public sector? Your post does more to exemplify why we shouldn't have national healthcare, not support it.

[blastedforums]

If the care you received at the VA is so bad, why do you want the government to get into the public sector? Your post does more to exemplify why we shouldn't have national healthcare, not support it.

I have never gone to the VA for care.
I have only heard how people I know were treated there. I was specifically talking about the local VA. I guess I should have clarified that, my bad there.

Also the local VA has been constantly reported for troubles because of individual doctors, not the system. There are some that I would go to, but definitely not the local one.
But again they are all not the same.

The worst treatment I ever got was active military care.

And just so you know, the VA is not government run, it is militarily run. Yes I know that the Military is a branch of the government. But actual "Government health care" as in the care that any government civilian or contractor employee gets, there is little if any better.
If you want to see how they run health care look at those examples.

[lcnostra]

Anyway, as to the topic at hand....

Can you believe that the guy behind this design is actually a lefty?

[odin_dax]

Can you believe that the guy behind this design is actually a lefty?

Well, they are more intelligent. :wavey:

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Anyway, as to the topic at hand....

Can you believe that the guy behind this design is actually a lefty?

left handed people tend to be one of 2 things insane or genious(or however you spell it)

hitler-lefthanded
known for being fucking evil

einstein-left handed
known for being smart

ninebreaker-lefthanded
known for robbign a store in a ninja suit and laughing like a madman while he blazes throught town on his shitpeice motorcycle

[blastedforums]

Right now I think there are more Lefties pissed off at him than Righties.

[lcnostra]

left handed people tend to be one of 2 things insane or genious(or however you spell it)

hitler-lefthanded
known for being fucking evil

einstein-left handed
known for being smart

ninebreaker-lefthanded
known for robbign a store in a ninja suit and laughing like a madman while he blazes throught town on his shitpeice motorcycle

Dude, I was talking about the political spectrum....

Anyway, the article I read about the artist said this was merely a photoshop project spawned out of boredom. The college kid who made it did not intend any political statement. He uploaded it to his Flickr page, then someone slapped on a remarkably retarded caption and started hanging up printouts. While the original artist said he was not exactly impressed with Obama (preferred Kucinich :nervous), the infamous "joker" image was just for fun.

[blastedforums]

Dude, I was talking about the political spectrum....


But I think that clarifies so much.

Makes me wonder if he is also a 'birther'?

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Hitler was part of the lefthanded elite? Lefthanded High-Five!

[7eleven mafia]

the health care industry, this is one of the biggest sectors in the world, these companies have made money off of creating medicines, drugs, tools, and things used in hospitals, medical clinics, peoples homes, and everywhere. medical technology could have never come as far as it has come if it was government run, these things are driven by a capitalist economy and because there is a profit involved thus pushing things faster which people may need to survive, such as technology and medicines to get rid of cancer or getting rid of diseases just to name a few

[Micro]

You get more money if people are sick.
And insurance companies are notorious for ruining your and your spouses life if you catch leukemia or similar disease.
They also like waiting for the patients to die so that no money is spent on the treatment.

[blastedforums]

Well, they are more intelligent. :wavey:
Hitler was part of the lefthanded elite? Lefthanded High-Five!
left handed people tend to be one of 2 things insane or genious(or however you spell it)

hitler-lefthanded
known for being fucking evil

einstein-left handed
known for being smart

ninebreaker-lefthanded
known for robbign a store in a ninja suit and laughing like a madman while he blazes throught town on his shitpeice motorcycle


You three do realize that lcnostra and myself are talking about political sides not actually left and right handed people...
Lefty = Liberal
Righty= Conservative

I just came back to see that you three posted that and just had to point that out cause you three are totally and completely lost in the conversation since all three of you referred to the same thing and failed to correct yourselves. Though it does explain so much, well to me anyway.

I will log back out and find other pastures... too many people here are not very forward looking as I see it. They have their view of how the world should be and that is all that matters, especially not reality or progression of the nation.

[odin_dax]

You three do realize that lcnostra and myself are talking about political sides not actually left and right handed people...
Lefty = Liberal
Righty= Conservative

I just came back to see that you three posted that and just had to point that out cause you three are totally and completely lost in the conversation since all three of you referred to the same thing and failed to correct yourselves. Though it does explain so much, well to me anyway.

I will log back out and find other pastures... too many people here are not very forward looking as I see it. They have their view of how the world should be and that is all that matters, especially not reality or progression of the nation.

You do realize that the conversation wasn't a constructed argument requiring an intelligent response, right? Just light fun, as is this whole thread.

Though, I do find it funny that you claim I'm lost when you never responded to my experience with socialism, and also complain about the VA, which is what your dream future would be like. Go to Canada.

If your problem is that we don't think like you do, then I won't be sorry to see you go. I thought we could have conversations, but if you're that judgmental and bull-headed, fine. Don't talk to me about forward thinking...

[blastedforums]

You do realize that the conversation wasn't a constructed argument requiring an intelligent response, right? Just light fun, as is this whole thread.

Though, I do find it funny that you claim I'm lost when you never responded to my experience with socialism, and also complain about the VA, which is what your dream future would be like. Go to Canada.

If your problem is that we don't think like you do, then I won't be sorry to see you go. I thought we could have conversations, but if you're that judgmental and bull-headed, fine. Don't talk to me about forward thinking...

Trust me I wish I did live in a country that properly provided for it's people.

I also have friends in England, Australia and a few other places that are under socialized health care.
You know what, they laugh at this country in its handling of medical care for the masses. Why? because there is none.
The US is spending more on Healthcare than any other country(even double as to what some others spend), yet it is also rated one of the worst. Yeah that is great care and worth applauding there.
You want to debate about high costs of living, right here in the states is plenty expensive. Try living even on 30K a year. It will be plenty difficult. Now imagine less.

The system is so far beyond broken, yet when someone wants to step in and attempt to make it better people rail against it.
You also did not comment about my comment about government employee health care, how it is one of the best plans in existence and absolutely none of them complain at all about it. You conveniently went past that.

Government FUNDED is not the same as government RUN. The VA, and military care is government RUN, I have already spoken about that and will not go over it again.
What is being proposed is government FUNDED. There will be no bureaucrats allotting care. That is a total and fictitious image created by surprise, the Republicans. The same people who have been fighting health care reform for the past 60 years. As a matter of fact, most every negative and untruthful thing that has been said has been said by Republicans. They are completely ignoring the truths and picking and choosing what they want to say, and none of it is good.

I never claimed that Socialized medicine was all roses. But you know what, with that people at least have coverage. I would rather have a little of something than a whole lot of nothing. The ER is not medical care, it is not insurance that is tax based and paid by the people to service every person that does not have insurance. Or even if they do have insurance, their insurance is not giving them proper coverage. Have you even bothered to look up just how much these ER visits cost the US each year? Roughly $2500-3000 per person per visit. With that cost, they could have real insurance.

You wondered why I did not go over your "experience" with socialized medicine, were you covered? Did you get care if you needed it?
If the answer is yes then you have nothing to complain about. Unlike millions in THIS country you got proper care when you needed it.
There is nothing to discuss about it. As I said, I too have friends in countries that have socialized medicine. They may sometimes complain about it, but none of them would give it up either. They at least get the care that they need. Again unlike in THIS country.

You act like you to want to debate this, but are not offering anything to debate about.
What are you worried about the insurance companies going out of business? they have a choice when this happens, get reality based premiums or fail. I will guess that they will get reality based premiums personally. They would rather get something for profit than nothing.

As I have said before, this country does not follow the 'Capitalist' business model. This country makes the shit up as they go. You get automobile insurance companies fighting to get your business, but not health insurance companies... I wonder why that is...

You say that I said that you are lost... your point in thinking that the proposals are government RUN (your reference to health care being like the VA) is the exact point to that statement. The proposals are government FUNDED. There is a very clear difference.
THAT is why I said that you are lost in this. You clearly are.

[odin_dax]

Trust me I wish I did live in a country that properly provided for it's people.

I also have friends in England, Australia and a few other places that are under socialized health care.
You know what, they laugh at this country in its handling of medical care for the masses. Why? because there is none.
The US is spending more on Healthcare than any other country(even double as to what some others spend), yet it is also rated one of the worst. Yeah that is great care and worth applauding there.
You want to debate about high costs of living, right here in the states is plenty expensive. Try living even on 30K a year. It will be plenty difficult. Now imagine less.

I honestly don't care what other nationalities think. They don't live in the US, and their system would never adapt to our structure. What makes you think the same model in Britain would work here? They laugh because they can't imagine someone not providing for them, but I laugh because they need someone to provide. Look at all the crap in Canada. You want that? Hell no! Our system can work fine, but we don't have the proper regulations. If we reverse those, and provide an open market, we will have a very great system.

The system is so far beyond broken, yet when someone wants to step in and attempt to make it better people rail against it.

A band-aid can't fix a severed limb.

I have to run, so I'll respond to the rest later.

[lcnostra]

You do realize that the conversation wasn't a constructed argument requiring an intelligent response, right? Just light fun, as is this whole thread.

Though, I do find it funny that you claim I'm lost when you never responded to my experience with socialism, and also complain about the VA, which is what your dream future would be like. Go to Canada.

If your problem is that we don't think like you do, then I won't be sorry to see you go. I thought we could have conversations, but if you're that judgmental and bull-headed, fine. Don't talk to me about forward thinking...

Odin --

While I don't think that you misunderstood the reference to left vs. right, I find it a bit odd that you'd castigate blastedforums' perceived lack of lighthearted humor and then attack him for deviating from the oh-so-serious topic in the same post. Double standards much?

[odin_dax]

You also did not comment about my comment about government employee health care, how it is one of the best plans in existence and absolutely none of them complain at all about it. You conveniently went past that.

Which comment?


You wondered why I did not go over your "experience" with socialized medicine, were you covered? Did you get care if you needed it?
If the answer is yes then you have nothing to complain about. Unlike millions in THIS country you got proper care when you needed it.
There is nothing to discuss about it. As I said, I too have friends in countries that have socialized medicine. They may sometimes complain about it, but none of them would give it up either. They at least get the care that they need. Again unlike in THIS country.

In other words, you wouldn't mind waiting in long lines and cues and pay exorbitant taxes for "free" care?

You act like you to want to debate this, but are not offering anything to debate about.

Oh, really? And you have? Pot, you're black!

What are you worried about the insurance companies going out of business? they have a choice when this happens, get reality based premiums or fail. I will guess that they will get reality based premiums personally. They would rather get something for profit than nothing.

Did I ever mention insurance companies? No. Don't conjure up statements or innuendo to support yourself.

your point in thinking that the proposals are government RUN (your reference to health care being like the VA) is the exact point to that statement. The proposals are government FUNDED. There is a very clear difference.
THAT is why I said that you are lost in this. You clearly are.

When did I say that? All I said was why should the government get into the private sector. Your earlier post states that government health care for civilians is little different from military, so why did you state that it is so much better in your last post?

You're resting your argument on the semantics of previous statements. Stop flip-flopping!

[odin_dax]

Odin --

While I don't think that you misunderstood the reference to left vs. right, I find it a bit odd that you'd castigate blastedforums' perceived lack of lighthearted humor and then attack him for deviating from the oh-so-serious topic in the same post. Double standards much?

No. How is it a double-standard to first correct him in his interpretation, and then respond to his statements?

[thief]

Jon Voight telling it how it is about Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyJQqDjNSIk

[playerkill]

The only thing that is really wrong with this picture is the "socialism" part...
Joker is and always was an anarchist the polar opposite of a socialist.

They should have made a Obama Lex Luthor poster with "socialism"

Well the geek in me just had to say that.

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The only thing that is really wrong with this picture is the "socialism" part...
Joker is and always was an anarchist the polar opposite of a socialist.

They should have made a Obama Lex Luthor poster with "socialism"

Well the geek in me just had to say that.

its ok. but the pourpose behind the picture was to say he was a dark evil person and such.like the joker.

[lcnostra]

No it wasn't. There was no purpose at all, apart from a college kid's boredom.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/08/obama-joker-artist.html

[Tricho]

Obama isn't going to do shit he said. He just went up on stage and played to crowd. Like Yeah Hope and Change and we are gonna fight the lobbyists and were gonna be way different than other president when in fact hes just like every other one he just came in black this time; not an old white guy.

[Tarnak]

I'm not gonna go in and refute all the ridiculous statements in this thread.

The cost of our healthcare system comes from illegal aliens and other non-payer and lawsuits.

US healthcare is the best in the world and anybody can get it. Anybody can walk in to an ER and they HAVE to treat you... even if you're not an American citizen. Those that don't pay? The doctors and the hospital eat the cost, which means YOU, the insured, ultimately pay more.

Our reform should be a national ID with a computer chip for employment purposes so employers have to excuse to not know an illegal was illegal. As it stands, anyone can throw out a BS ssn when they go for employment and the employer won't know until the W2s come back. Get rid of the jobs, get rid of the illegals. Get rid of the illegals, get rid of hundreds of billions in healthcare costs to paying americans.

Secondly, reform tort. Require people to go through a committee on malpractice that has the power to grant say, up to $50,000. This allows people to resolve their malpractice injuries quickly but with a lot less cost to the hospital and, ultimately, we the insured. If the committee denied them, or they didn't accept the money, they could still sue for millions if they REALLY thought they had a case.


The only problem with healthcare in this country is the cost, and none of the proposed reforms address that cost. IT WILL STILL COST JUST AS MUCH! You'll just be paying it in taxes instead of bills. Actually, it will cost more, because as has been proven time and time again, the government is simply less efficient than the private sector.