Creationist's

[phoenix]

Where are the dinosaurs?

[kbk]

Haha yeah I have wondered the same thing myself. Ask a priest, they get all confused and don't know what to say, it's great.

[duiker]

I don't know how you mean. Most of them are dead as far as we know. No-one knows how they died.. why would that confuse a creationist?

[Stone]

Some creationists generally believe that the world was created roughly 12,000 years ago. They beleive that god tried to create the world to seem to be much older, and created stuff like fossils, etc, to try to trick us. It's a test of faith.

[duiker]

Uhuh. Ok, I don't believe that they were put there as a test of faith. My belief is that they ended up there when the earth tore itself apart during the great flood. I guess y'all believe that they got put there over millions of years or something?

[kbk]

Yeah thats what I believe. My dad says that it was God's first attempt at creating life but he decided to get rid of it. I don't really buy that but theres one more theory for you guys.

[Stone]

Well, then how would you explain carbon dating the fossils to over 65 million years and beyond?

Yeah thats what I believe. My dad says that it was God's first attempt at creating life but he decided to get rid of it. I don't really buy that but theres one more theory for you guys.

If God does exist, then he exists outside of time (obviously he has to, he would've created time!) and if he exists out of time he sees everything from the start of time to the end of time at once. He wouldn't just kill all the dinosaurs to 'get rid of them', he would just go back to the start and wipe them clean and start again.

[Adrian_Faythe]

Personally, I don't believe in a single word of this creationist bullshit. For one thing, the source of proof that's present here is the bible. A book written by man, adapted by man, translated by a greedy Catholic church, and altered by King James. You call that proof of a higher existence?

God was created by man as a way of giving his own life and death meaning. It's depressing for some people, knowing they have to make it through life with only their own will guiding them, so they look to "god" as a higher power. Think along the lines of an emotional crutch.

But the truth is, god was created by man. Man is fallible. Ergo, god is fallible. And according to the Christian faith, god cannot be wrong. So what have we here, a whirlwind of self-collapsing hypocrisy and conflicting viewpoints?

[RELOAD]

I agree with the above.

The bible, anyone who can read and write could put a story like it's kind together.

Each to his own beliefs.

[duiker]

I've said this before- good historians use the Bible as a reliable historical source- there is a lot of archaological evidence today that supports the stories in the Bible. If you were to study the texts, you would find them to support and complement each other.
It would take more than the most educated of men to compose and compile a book of this magnitude. And the amount of prophecy..

I think it wouldn't be very intelligent to just dismiss the book as a religious fanatic's genius or tales that have lost their meaning and plot over time.

I believe in its absolute truth. If any of you have honestly had a good look at the book, what are your opinions?

[madscientist]

I've read through most of the Bible... to be completely honest, I think it was inspired by shrooms, and it may have had a message more intended to be like Buddhism, but has been obscured over time to be this Great Man in the Sky bullshit.

[Stone]

You say it as if the christians are the only creationists... Don't forget the Jews and Muslims worship the same God, but just have different beliefs, and these differences start with the New Testament. And, duiker is right to some degree, there is some archaological evidence that supports some of the stories in the Bible. I'll try to find some again later (I've read about them before), don't have time now 'cos I'm in class.

[Houndish]

The stories in the bible are true in terms of physical landmarks and politcal icons of the time. However the supernatural events that occur throughout this book discredit the authors intentions... which we are left to interpret on our own due to the fact that no one is alive anymore. Interpretations vary and are often molded to fit a particular modern day scenario.

All in all, I don't mind religious types, so long as they keep their damn faith to themselves. I have a hard enough time discerning reality from fantasy just watching the daily news or a Dubya speech, I don't need to worry about why god stopped performing miracles... so to all you believers, keep your faith where it belongs, in your head.

[Adrian_Faythe]

I second this insightful statement.

[RELOAD]

If you were to study the texts, you would find them to support and complement each other.


Out of a truth one can make a truthful story but also create a lie to coincide with that truth.

[Adrian_Faythe]

And was it not Salvador Dali who stated "The truth about memories is the same for gems: It is always the false ones that look the most real, shine the brightest"?

Dunno. It's just too subjective for my tastes. I'll stick to my belief system.

[duiker]

Out of a truth one can make a truthful story but also create a lie to coincide with that truth.

Not just in a story-telling context, I mean. The underlying themes all connect in different ways, and even though the books were written by different people separated by thousands of years, the writers write as if they were the same author through the ages. They don't write as individual humans- there is no conflict between writers whatsoever. I hope you understand and I hope I've understood you.

[Armalite]

I've said this before- good historians use the Bible as a reliable historical source- there is a lot of archaological evidence today that supports the stories in the Bible. If you were to study the texts, you would find them to support and complement each other.
It would take more than the most educated of men to compose and compile a book of this magnitude. And the amount of prophecy..

I think it wouldn't be very intelligent to just dismiss the book as a religious fanatic's genius or tales that have lost their meaning and plot over time.

I believe in its absolute truth. If any of you have honestly had a good look at the book, what are your opinions?



Actually, alot of the historical content is skewed and innacurate. Moses(author of the Pentateuch) can't even name the right pharoah to be his adversary. In many cases, recountings of events make no sense, or have huge discrepencies in time, names, and places. Not to mention bizarre demonstrably false claims made. Such as the firmament. Clearly, since our space program is a success, there is no sheet of solid matieral above the atmosphere holding all the rainwater up and supporting the stars.

[headcase]

Once again, I have to fight the urge to quote chapters of "The God Delusion". But I'm not doing that much typing, so if you feel so strongly about an omnipotent, vengeful, petty, jealous, unjust, vindictive, bloodthirsty, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidial, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomachistic,capriciously malevolent control-freak bully, then read the book for yourself.

For those if you who don't believe in the said diety, "In the Mind of God" by Paul Davies can be a bit of a conscious raiser too.

[AnemicFairy]

I've said this before- good historians use the Bible as a reliable historical source- there is a lot of archaological evidence today that supports the stories in the Bible.

Yes, indeed, it is broadly historically correct. It would have been absolutely astonishing if it weren't. But alas, evidence for the the book being more or less historicaly correct is not the same thing as evidence for all the miracles.


If you were to study the texts, you would find them to support and complement each other.

The Bible is as likely to internally contradict itself as it is to support itself.


It would take more than the most educated of men to compose and compile a book of this magnitude. And the amount of prophecy..

The prophecies fall broadly into two categories: there are prophecies which are so vague they can mean almost anything, and then there are ones that are highly specific, but upon closer examination turn out to have been written after the fact. Put another way: there are no prophecies in the Bible.


I believe in its absolute truth. If any of you have honestly had a good look at the book, what are your opinions?

It can't possibly be the absolute truth for the simple reason that it internally contradicts itself (e.g. contains two different genealogies for Jesus). Also, it contains plenty of simple errors of fact.

The only people who think the Bible is literal truth are people who have not actually really read it, and who have no clue about its history or development.

[headcase]

Out of a truth one can make a truthful story but also create a lie to coincide with that truth.

"Often, to win us to our harm, the instruments of darkness tell us truths - win us with honest trifles, to betray us in deepest consuquence".
- Banquo, from Macbeth.

Although, there is this guy. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2528412371399195162&q=creationist)

[ComfortablyNumb]

Thats the kind of person that gives reasonable creationist's a bad name.

[AnemicFairy]

Thats the kind of person that gives reasonable creationist's a bad name.

Ain't no such thing as a reasonable creationist.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Sure there are, the ones that realize that there is absolutely nothing about evolutionary theory that says there is no god or that there cannot be a god are reasonable. I dont agree with them that god created the universe, but so long as they accept that they have no evidence or proof either, then they are reasonable. Im referring to creationists who believe god created the universe, but not that he created it in its present form roughly 6000 years ago.

[AnemicFairy]

Sure there are, the ones that realize that there is absolutely nothing about evolutionary theory that says there is no god or that there cannot be a god are reasonable. I dont agree with them that god created the universe, but so long as they accept that they have no evidence or proof either, then they are reasonable. Im referring to creationists who believe god created the universe, but not that he created it in its present form roughly 6000 years ago.

Such reasonable folks aren't creationists. The term is usually used to refer not to people who accept evolution but privately believe it was directed by God, but to people who emphatically reject it. Christians who accept evolution as God's method of creation, usually refer to themselves as theistic evolutionists.

So we actually agree on this point then; we have just been using the terms a bit differently.

[Esophagus]

If God does exist, then he exists outside of time (obviously he has to, he would've created time!) and if he exists out of time he sees everything from the start of time to the end of time at once. He wouldn't just kill all the dinosaurs to 'get rid of them', he would just go back to the start and wipe them clean and start again. God could exist within time. Its a lengthy and stupid theory, but it seems as likly as just about any theory about god.

There was a higher power, who created time and the universe surrounding himself. From whatever spot in the stars he sat, he got a little bored, and created another being for companionship. He creates this being with all of his powers, along with the ability to withstand time, something he had completely missed, when creating time around himself. God A dies after enduring however many years he pulled off, leaving God B to his lonseome. God B, from his place in the stars begins creating life on Earth, each with its own limited lifespan, leaving him the ability to wipe out mistakes, and not overpopulate the planet(s) he chose to inhabit.

How does God see whats happening on Earth if he exists within time? How does god create planets, people, objects, etc? There has to be some magic and mystery involved here, who knows how he does it.

This is a completely bullshit story, thats is quite possibly false. But it kind of puts things into perspective how much bullshit exists in religion. If I wrote a lengthy novel on the feuds and good times that existed between God A and God B, and what came after God A died, and taught this to anyone willing to believe it, accepting money to "help the church grow" we would have a new Christianity. If people can believe dinosaurs didn't exist, than people can believe just about anything.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Oh my goodness that place sounds absolutely delightful. Good ol' Kentucky.

[odin_dax]

Oh my goodness that place sounds absolutely delightful. Good ol' Kentucky.

All scientists I've ever heard said dinosaurs kept mammals to no bigger a size than a modern day raccoon. It's just pure ignorance, and I can understand why non-Christians get upset. These are the kind of people that try to reconcile all science with 100% literal interpretation and base the rest on historical writings that have no validity, like the earth being 5,000 years old.

That said, Kentucky is a beautiful state.

[javins]

i have read the bible and other books on religion and i believe that god exists and that he did wipieout the dinosaurs in the flood

[Th0r]

i have read the bible and other books on religion and i believe that god exists and that he did wipieout the dinosaurs in the flood

Dinosaurs: Became extinct 65 million years ago in a catastrophic disaster that wiped out a large quantity of living things.

The Story Of Noah and the flood [In the Old Testament]: Written 12th-2nd century BC.

So 65 million years ago when there were no humans about, humans and animals jump on a boat while sinning humans and dinosaurs are killed by a flood. Hmmm.

[javins]

it was not 65 million years ago. the earth is not that old and scientist have proven it is not that old

[Th0r]

it was not 65 million years ago. the earth is not that old and scientist have proven it is not that old

Give me the name of the scientist(s) that said that...

The history of Earth covers approximately 4.6 billion years (4,567,000,000 years)

I quote Wikipedia, probably the most reliable source of information on the world wide web.

[headcase]

Give me the name of the scientist(s) that said that...

Note that pretend degrees from religious universities don't count (Simpsons's "Truthology" springs to mind)...

[odin_dax]

I don't think wikipedia is the most reliable source, but it's a good starting point.