Getting with a girl.

[nuds]

Hey,
Since this is my first post I'll do a quick introduction. I'm nuds, I don't feel like revealing actual names is necessary. But I have been in this... scene for maybe a couple of months now.

Back to the real shit:
There is a girl that I have admired for a long time in my spanish class. Due to my last failed relationship I am a little scared of going back into dating. What is the best way to jump on this and get this girl? Just axe her out on a date one day? Or what?

Thanks in advance.

[torcher]

i would say since she's in your class, try to impress her a little by doing well.
shoot her a glance every now and then and finally ask her out to lunch one day.

[odin_dax]

Don't axe her out!!!!! That will kill her!!!!!

torcher has good advice. All you need is a plan and confidence. High school girls are just as unsure as you are.

[Tricho]

I'd say go all collector on her.:lol:

Though personally I don't know make moves. Talk to her even if for bs reasons and be like oh what was the hw or whatever just to get her to talk and then go from there.

[nuds]

Shes on the other side of the class. But I'll get her number then axe her on a date to the movies?

[Th0r]

Shes on the other side of the class. But I'll get her number then axe her on a date to the movies?

Ask her out for lunch.

Not the movies or drive in cinema. (Sexual connotations.)

[nuds]

Ask her out for lunch.

Not the movies or drive in cinema. (Sexual connotations.)

Dinner?

[crazy white guy]

Dinner?

Dinner is formal and that should be avoided on the first date. You might find that she isn't who you thought, That has happened to me before. The object of my affection was there out of my reach from grade 7 until grade 10 where she drifted into my group of friends. The only thing she really had going for her was her appearance. Couldn't hold an intelligent conversation with her if you tried.

[odin_dax]

Stop trying to AXE the poor girl.

[nuds]

Dinner is formal and that should be avoided on the first date. You might find that she isn't who you thought, That has happened to me before. The object of my affection was there out of my reach from grade 7 until grade 10 where she drifted into my group of friends. The only thing she really had going for her was her appearance. Couldn't hold an intelligent conversation with her if you tried.

Thats what happened to me with my last girlfriend and I'm worried it will happen with this one.
I talked to one of her friends and she said I could do better and she isn't one of the most interesting girls out there. So I'm on my search again.

I'll come back to this thread when I found the right one and I feel like I should AXE HER on a date.

[crazy white guy]

Thats what happened to me with my last girlfriend and I'm worried it will happen with this one.
I talked to one of her friends and she said I could do better and she isn't one of the most interesting girls out there. So I'm on my search again.

I'll come back to this thread when I found the right one and I feel like I should AXE HER on a date.

count yourself as lucky. The last few girlfriends turned out to be either lying whores or only broke up with me because their friends suckered them into it. The latter pair know have had their respective social circles say the opposite. One actually dubbed me as "the good one." this of course was in the presence of the new boyfriend. It was a big ego boost.

Anyways, Now Im in a place where all of the girls I want to be with either are unapproachable or dont have that chemistry, even though I could see a future of sorts with them. So I feel for the OP.

[odin_dax]

You keep saying "axe" so I assume you're black. You'll do well in life to speak like a normal, educated human whether you're black, white, red or blue.

If a girl dumps you because of her friends, be happy to get rid of her. Such a person won't stand by you and has superficial values. Besides, there's no such thing as doing better in high school. You're a bunch of kids... I'll stop there.

I'm so glad I'm not in high school anymore.

[nuds]

count yourself as lucky. The last few girlfriends turned out to be either lying whores or only broke up with me because their friends suckered them into it. The latter pair know have had their respective social circles say the opposite. One actually dubbed me as "the good one." this of course was in the presence of the new boyfriend. It was a big ego boost.

Anyways, Now Im in a place where all of the girls I want to be with either are unapproachable or dont have that chemistry, even though I could see a future of sorts with them. So I feel for the OP.

My last girlfriend didn't give me that click I would normally feel with other girlfriends. She did teach me a few lessons about keeping the right girl which I thank her for.

And crazy white guy, I'm sorry for you. When a girl breaks up with you because of her friends opting out, it seems to me like it would feel like a sucker punch to the gonads.

[RoundElephant]

Thats what happened to me with my last girlfriend and I'm worried it will happen with this one.
I talked to one of her friends and she said I could do better and she isn't one of the most interesting girls out there. So I'm on my search again.

I'll come back to this thread when I found the right one and I feel like I should AXE HER on a date.

That might mean her friend likes you and is discouraging you from dating someone else.

[nuds]

Now I am extremely confused. I've been talking to this girl for about two weeks (completely different one) and last night she unloaded on me about some friendship complications. I helped her out as best as I could, saying that she doesn't deserve that from her friends, gave her many compliments. Being the "nice guy" from that excerpt I forgot the name of. Should I take this as a good sign?

BTW she is a year older than me.

[torcher]

Now I am extremely confused. I've been talking to this girl for about two weeks (completely different one) and last night she unloaded on me about some friendship complications. I helped her out as best as I could, saying that she doesn't deserve that from her friends, gave her many compliments. Being the "nice guy" from that excerpt I forgot the name of. Should I take this as a good sign?

BTW she is a year older than me.

this means you moved into the "friend zone". you might as well leave her alone. you have little to no chance.

[nuds]

this means you moved into the "friend zone". you might as well leave her alone. you have little to no chance.

But only after a couple of weeks? I've told her I'm attracted to her and such.

[torcher]

doesnt matter. if you've been trying for a couple of weeks and its not advancing to gf/bf, its not gonna happen.

[lcnostra]

doesnt matter. if you've been trying for a couple of weeks and its not advancing to gf/bf, its not gonna happen.

^^This. Once you're in, it's incredibly difficult to get out. Try your luck with other girls. Despite what many guys think, you don't need to be an asshole to get girls. You can actually be a really nice guy without being a pussy if you strike a balance between casual suggestions of interest while still being dominant. If she tests you, you've gotta pass. You need to be both confident and funny; being cocky is not necessary. If you can't be confident, be apathetic. On the outside, they're both the same.

Many people say "just be yourself", but for most guys "being yourself" is being deathly afraid of some girl who's hotter than you and letting it show. It's important that you let your true personality traits shine through, but you need to talk to her like she's a normal human being. If it helps, practice on ugly girls...or pretend she's a lot less attractive than she is. If you're fazed or thrown off by her presence, she will pick up on it quicker than you can imagine. Girls are smart like that.

Movies are great if you don't feel like talking, but other than that they're lacking in substance. I'd go with the suggestion of lunch. It's casual without being too forward, and it's not boring like a movie.

[nuds]

Yea, I'm going with lcnostra on this one. But I haven't been... trying to to get with this one. She is sticking with me. She is inviting me to go to the football game with her and her friends, etc. Would this mean anything?

[torcher]

i would say for you to accept the invitation, but since she's bringing some friends, grab a few of yours and make a group thing out of it. make sure to stick with her most of the night though. not so much as to make her feel smothered, but enough to make her know she has your attention

[lcnostra]

Good advice, torcher. Show some interest but don't be too desperate.

[nuds]

What has worked in the past is that I would pay attention to every detail, good or bad and compliment each. If she is wearing a necklace, "Oh! I love your necklace!" and things like that. I usually go to football with my friend and we hit up other people on the way, maybe smoke or something while we are at it. But I think that is a good plan. And make sure I am not desperate! Got it.

Thanks.

[lcnostra]

Subtle compliments from time to time are okay, but don't overdo it. You will appear desperate if you compliment her on everything. Pay attention to her friends too, to the point that you are almost hitting on them. If she is interested, she will show it by making her actions more prominent. Jealousy can be a powerful tool, but it's also something you have to watch out for.

[Paranoid Ecstasy]

Also have in mind that she may just not find you attractive so any attempts you make could be pointless. Just a thought.

[NINEBREAKER]

quick question. what grade are you in?

if your in high school i would say make like a whore and fuck random women. dont forget to wrap up.

personaly i dont date anymore. to much drama with my last love.

[nuds]

10th. Relationships are the best until the breakup. I do have a fuck buddy, but that is besides the point.

lcnostra, complimenting her friends also means that they will approve of me and encourage her? Good thinking.

[Bahr]

Drink. When im buzzin, I can hit on chicks way way way above my league. And get them. But get shot down just as often, thing is I dont care when I get turned down.

Side note. May not work for you. Works for me great.

[nuds]

Drink. When im buzzin, I can hit on chicks way way way above my league. And get them. But get shot down just as often, thing is I dont care when I get turned down.

Side note. May not work for you. Works for me great.

I'll try it one day.
But I think tonight went good. I got on good grounds with her friends. Not sure if we did good or not, I felt good about it so...

[Acid44]

i take it you're looking for a long steady thing?

i say for school relationships it's always best to start by walking them home, after having established that you aren't gonna rape her of course...


since you said you think you did ok i'll skip the cheap crap though... if you actually are in with her friends, which can be a hard mind rape to figure out sometimes, ask her out personally, by personally i mean just you and her, with no friends... make it something simple and romantic like a walk along a beach or through some park paths, or a picnic, you know, subtle, but memorable, you don't want a first encounter that she won't remember for a good chunk of time, if it isn't god enough for her to remember it during her next bf and wish he was that sweet then it ain't worth it at all...

other that that i like to play the whole sweet guy thing while im around them, which for the most part isn't an act but can be a fucking pain to maintain if you're short tempered like me...

just try to keep her thinking that she comes first and maintaining you're own social life so you don't go insane from the stress of trying to keep her as i have so many times...

oh, also, DO NOT tell her all the wicked stories early in the relationship when you're talking.... you will sure as FUCK need something to talk about later... me and my fiancee are on the bricks right now because we're bored as fuck of each other... avoid that at all costs! once you have nothing to talk about you WILL start losing attraction to one another, believe it or not... shit get's boring fast...

[odin_dax]

Drink. When im buzzin, I can hit on chicks way way way above my league. And get them. But get shot down just as often, thing is I dont care when I get turned down.

Side note. May not work for you. Works for me great.

Word. Nothing like liquid courage.

[Bahr]

The booze advice. Thats only to help get with em. You dont have to stay drunk the whole relationship. Unless you want to.

[lcnostra]

lcnostra, complimenting her friends also means that they will approve of me and encourage her? Good thinking.

I suppose that could be an indirect effect, but I was thinking more in terms of making the target girl slightly jealous. That way, she'll be more forward about pursuing you.


Drink. When im buzzin, I can hit on chicks way way way above my league. And get them. But get shot down just as often, thing is I dont care when I get turned down.

Side note. May not work for you. Works for me great.

Also some excellent advice, depending on what you're like when you've been drinking. As long as you don't get sloppy and obnoxious, I can't recommend this method enough. Turns me into a fucking superstar.

[nuds]

I'll try it.

since you said you think you did ok i'll skip the cheap crap though... if you actually are in with her friends, which can be a hard mind rape to figure out sometimes, ask her out personally, by personally i mean just you and her, with no friends... make it something simple and romantic like a walk along a beach or through some park paths, or a picnic, you know, subtle, but memorable, you don't want a first encounter that she won't remember for a good chunk of time, if it isn't god enough for her to remember it during her next bf and wish he was that sweet then it ain't worth it at all...

Planning on that.

But last night, I bought her a rose. She didn't seem to excited about it at the time, but on FaceBook chat last night, she said (after we were talking about how much fun we had):

"i keep looking at that rose :)"
"you should feel special"
I replied:
"haha awwe :)"
"how sweet"
She responded:
"very very special"
"well its getting late i should go to bed"
I said:
"noo! don't leave me!"
Her:
"byee <3"
Me:
"<3!"
Her:
"haha!"

She has never said <3 to me before, though I always say it. Not sure if that means anything.

[odin_dax]

I'll try it.



Planning on that.

But last night, I bought her a rose. She didn't seem to excited about it at the time, but on FaceBook chat last night, she said (after we were talking about how much fun we had):

"i keep looking at that rose :)"
"you should feel special"
I replied:
"haha awwe :)"
"how sweet"
She responded:
"very very special"
"well its getting late [2:30am] i should go to bed"
I said:
"noo! don't leave me!"
Her:
"byee <3"
Me:
"<3!"
Her:
"haha!"

She has never said <3 to me before, though I always say it. Not sure if that means anything.

You're in great danger of entering the friend zone. Don't mimic her, don't talk like a girl. Be cool, a little cocky, but not an asshole. Come off as a guy that is cool to be around, friendly, attracts people to him, but also doesn't care if something doesn't happen. Understand?

[Jinx]

Don't mimic her

Learnt not to do this the hard way...

It's a Cruel world out there Nuds. But all in all if i doesn't work out, move on. Easier said than done, I know. But as the saying goes "There are pleanty of Fish in the Sea" I thought i was in love with this Chick untill she said The classic line "I don't wanna ruin our Friendship" that killed me...Almost anyway. But now i got a Pretty Damn fine Chick (No Bragging Intended) and I'm over the other one.

Anyway...I hope you get Her Man.

:friday:

[lcnostra]

You're in great danger of entering the friend zone. Don't mimic her, don't talk like a girl. Be cool, a little cocky, but not an asshole. Come off as a guy that is cool to be around, friendly, attracts people to him, but also doesn't care if something doesn't happen. Understand?

100% agreed. Also, never use a "<3" unless you're in a serious relationship...ever.

In addition the "noo don't leave me" comment reeked of desperation. Play it cool.

Good luck!

[NINEBREAKER]

I'll try it.



Planning on that.

But last night, I bought her a rose. She didn't seem to excited about it at the time, but on FaceBook chat last night, she said (after we were talking about how much fun we had):

"i keep looking at that rose :)"
"you should feel special"
I replied:
"haha awwe :)"
"how sweet"
She responded:
"very very special"
"well its getting late [2:30am] i should go to bed"
I said:
"noo! don't leave me!"
Her:
"byee <3"
Me:
"<3!"
Her:
"haha!"

She has never said <3 to me before, though I always say it. Not sure if that means anything.

the rose thing is usually a turn off for girls around here. so you might be getting with the girl in a romantic way. not the common lets pretend we love each other and just fuck alot what i see here

[nuds]

I said "don't leave me" before, as you can see I was kidding. And those weren't exact quotes. I'll put out the full chat.

Alexandria
i keep looking at that rose.
HAHA
oh gee
willicurs..

11:49pmEverett
awwe
11:49pmAlexandria
bahaha
you should feel special dood

11:50pmEverett
i do
11:50pmAlexandria
hahaha. you shoulddd. hah.
11:51pmAlexandria
frick dude, i'm fallin asleep. i'll talk to you tomorrow, yes?
11:52pmEverett
awwweee
;_;
ok byee
11:52pmAlexandria

hah
i'll text you when i wake up. i promise.
haha
11:53pmEverett
ok i'll do the same

11:53pmAlexandria
haha alrightyy. nightnight. i had a nice time tonight. and thanks. haha. i also needed some time out annddd youre fun to hang with. and it got my mind off of things. hah
11:54pmEverett
i try. good night
11:54pmAlexandria
haha night.
hah <3
11:54pmEverett
haha !
11:55pmAlexandria
bahha

Hard to read, right?

[odin_dax]

It's a learning curve.

[nuds]

Mine?

[odin_dax]

Everyone's.

[lcnostra]

I said "don't leave me" before, as you can see I was kidding.

No, I couldn't see. That's not an assumption worth risking with her, either....especially when communicating online.

[nuds]

Well she saw it. We are going to the movies today, but she is inviting her friend. :/

[crazy white guy]

Well she saw it. We are going to the movies today, but she is inviting her friend. :/

double dates can remove awkwardness. Use a wing man to take her friend. That way you can have alone time with the girl and backup in case you fuck up or make it awkward.

[nuds]

It all worked great! We didn't see a movie bu we talked for a looooong time. I think it went awesome. But she is the judge at this point. She called me cute and I returned the favor. Thanks mates.

Still really nervous though.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2vj25pv.png



I asked her on a date. Works for me.

[DoctaD]

I'm cracking up at "she never said <3 to me before"

10th grade is what, 14?

[nuds]

15-16.

[Twist]

15-16.

What city are you from? You say you go to a football game yet if you are in the US you would say softmore (spelling) and not grade 10. I have gone to high school in the US and Canada.

[nuds]

I say sophomore.

[Twist]

I say sophomore.

Where are you from?

[nuds]

California.

[REL0AD]

I said "don't leave me" before, as you can see I was kidding. And those weren't exact quotes. I'll put out the full chat.

Alexandria
i keep looking at that rose.
HAHA
oh gee
willicurs..

11:49pmEverett
awwe
11:49pmAlexandria
bahaha
you should feel special dood

11:50pmEverett
i do
11:50pmAlexandria
hahaha. you shoulddd. hah.
11:51pmAlexandria
frick dude, i'm fallin asleep. i'll talk to you tomorrow, yes?
11:52pmEverett
awwweee
;_;
ok byee
11:52pmAlexandria

hah
i'll text you when i wake up. i promise.
haha
11:53pmEverett
ok i'll do the same

11:53pmAlexandria
haha alrightyy. nightnight. i had a nice time tonight. and thanks. haha. i also needed some time out annddd youre fun to hang with. and it got my mind off of things. hah
11:54pmEverett
i try. good night
11:54pmAlexandria
haha night.
hah <3
11:54pmEverett
haha !
11:55pmAlexandria
bahha

Hard to read, right?

Tit.

[Abrazaderas]

[QUOTE=Bahr;47872]Drink. QUOTE]

Yes. alcohol works. Ecstasy is better. i've made girls way out of my league go silly in the head, start initiating physical contact and ask for my number, by taking E and then just going and talking.

It creates intense feelings of empathy, and - in me, at least - it almost goes to the point where body language will begin to simply speak. i think that this skill is what telepathy is, or begins as at least, because i'll be on E, and answer peoples questions before they ask them, watch a person and then start talking about what i could figure they were thinking of by watching them very closely, etc etc. it creeps people out.

if getting a girl to like you is a bit like a puzzle, then without interpersonal empathy you're doing it blind. E will stimulate empathy. Empathy was originally going to be MDMA's nickname, actually, but 'empathy' is more boring then 'ecstasy'. plus, you'll be filled with love, and as you hit on her, it'll grow, and real, passionate love will be noticeable and charming, unless you make it obvious.

Also, it has the effect of making you completely love yourself, as well, and eliminate fear, social hesitation, endows confidence on the user, and generally good feelings. Ask some of the masters of pickup artistry, and they'll tell you that feeling really, really good about yourself is the holy grail of pickup, because that state unlocks all the necessary behaviors for being attractive naturally.

only problem is you can't just be on E all the time around girls, though god know people try. i knew a guy go straight archetype junkie cause of e...


also, i doubt would work for everyone, but LSD also enables me to effortlessly get girls to hang on me.

cocaine might help if your problem is approach anxiety, anxiety of talking to a cute girl you like.

[odin_dax]

First of all, no such thing as leagues.

Secondly, I know a less than average guy who gets girls because he gives them drugs for free, namely cocaine.

[Th0r]

Secondly, I know a less than average guy who gets girls because he gives them drugs for free, namely cocaine.

Yeah, I tend to associate those types with the word 'Pimp', because essentially they're the same thing.

Oh, and what are the conditions of these girls like? Does one eye feel colder than the other when they breathe through their nostrils? Are they ridden with Hepatitis, Syphilis or the Clap?

First of all, no such thing as leagues.

I agree, but then you have social leagues that provide more of a barrier than physical/how attractive you look leagues. In most cases peoples minds can be violated and manipulated, rendering leagues based on attractiveness irrelevant.

Yes. alcohol works. Ecstasy is better. i've made girls way out of my league go silly in the head, start initiating physical contact and ask for my number, by taking E and then just going and talking.

Why do people get pissed before looking for girls?

Because it gives them confidence; it allows them to forget the flaws they dwell on constantly and focus on their 'ideal self'.

Ecstasy... I don't know. Weed and Alcohol are fine for me. If you get a girl and you're off your tits on MDMA she's not going to be impressed with your dick in terms of size.

also, i doubt would work for everyone, but LSD also enables me to effortlessly get girls to hang on me.

I find that somewhat hard to believe. Does the fact you're tripping balls, seeing flying rabbits and talking Gerbils make them wet or something?

[Abrazaderas]

no, LSD fills me with such overwhelming amounts of love and rapture that i simply start to glow. For some reason LSD fills me with pure joy the likes of which pure, crystalline MDMA can't replicate.

When i drop acid i start talking like a combination of shakespeare, william blake, and V so smoothly and eloquently it's bizarre, and i don't even really act like i'm tripping, i act as though i believe i'm god. that's how acid makes me feel. i'm glad it has a tolerance, because otherwise, there is no doubt in my mind that i would surrender to addiction, and spend 100% of my time high on LSD. i can do impersonations of any voice or personality perfectly on it, including female voices. and it lets me see in some strange way how i can really do anything, and when i go to a party on acid i don't even drink or smoke pot, i just sit and talk, and like i said, girls flock.

it just destroys some part of me that holds me back from operating at my full potential. it eliminates all the self loathing baggage, for one, which is big. and it's never really obvious that i'm on LSD. people will say... is that dude gay, or an actor, or... what? but it just makes me shine. i can let go on it and everything i do is simply routed from imagination to reality with no interference. i can dance really well on acid and i can't dance sober. i can type almost twice as fast on acid then i can sober. i think what gets the girls wet is how my charisma just shoots through the roof on it, my confidence does the same, and i act completely and totally free and happy. and happiness gets girls.

and it's never really obvious that i'm on LSD. i don't talk about stupid shit. the first drug i ever did was about 15 hits of acid (that i got for free! in the mail! and i didn't know it had to be cut up.), and so it's nothing for me to talk to my dad or go shopping or wash the dishes on ridiculous doses without missing a beat or letting on to people that i can see a sort of blueish fire on everybody or that all text in the word is glowing bright gold and i'm watching whatever words i think appear on blank surfaces. or that sometimes i get these when i'm not on acid... nothing bad really. it's neat. i don't see bugs on me, i see words faintly illuminated. whatever, right? that's not even annoying. it usually happens when i wake up, and lasts a few minutes.

as for my penis on MDMA, i've never measured or noticed, but it seems the only affect it has on my sexually is to make me really horny. i get random, full monty hardons at least five or six times a day for no reason, and i cum really quickly. too quickly, i have to cum and just keep going without stopping to not be a poor lover, which sort of feels bad. on MDMA, i simply ALWAYS have a hardon, i'm definitely hypersexual, and it takes me an hour of solid ramming to blow my load. which is much appreciated on the other end.

[odin_dax]

Yeah, I tend to associate those types with the word 'Pimp', because essentially they're the same thing.

Oh, and what are the conditions of these girls like? Does one eye feel colder than the other when they breathe through their nostrils? Are they ridden with Hepatitis, Syphilis or the Clap?


Well, they're certainly not 9 or 10's, or even 8's in my view. They're not ugly or nasty either, but they kind of look like they would have an STD. Give them a few years, he rolls with youngin's.

[iceniner]

The problem: people view women as something special. When you cease putting them on a pedestal you don't need to be all fucked up to talk to them. When you are confident and no longer need to be fucked up, and when you no longer give a shit one way or another, you will notice your success rate improving dramatically.

And if they are less than receptive, give them the brushoff instantly and go on to the next.

Providing drugs works too but puts you in the weak position of giving something to the chick.

[odin_dax]

And if they are less than receptive, give them the brushoff instantly and go on to the next.

Quite right.

[iceniner]

IMO this thread is wayyyy too much shyness and bullshit. Giving a shit one way or another is the kiss of death.

At this point I'm so jaded about women, partly for reasons that I will just say are work-related and leave it at that, that I just don't give a fuck about dating or anything anymore. "Getting laid" lost its charm years ago, when you're younger (at least for me it was this way) it's kind of like your favorite food that you never get but then you have as much of it as you want and then after a while it's not special anymore.

I guess I've just seen one slimy cloaca too many.

[Saturday]

Iceniner, are you involved in the adult film industry?

I totally hear you about getting laid.

This probably sounds gay to young bucks and guys who get zero pussy, but sometimes when you have sex all the time, you stop and think (sometimes during sex) and start to doubt if what your doing is productive or fun.

You find yourself in a sweaty, stinky tangle with some so-and-so and the two of you are groaning like two goats with cerebral palsy from the slimy friction you are generating, and all of that for 4-5 seconds of a natural "high," which can easily be simulated with one's hand.

[iceniner]

I can't imagine what married life must be like.

And that fact only feeds into the whole "why bother."

[lcnostra]

This probably sounds gay to young bucks and guys who get zero pussy, but sometimes when you have sex all the time, you stop and think (sometimes during sex) and start to doubt if what your doing is productive or fun.

You find yourself in a sweaty, stinky tangle with some so-and-so and the two of you are groaning like two goats with cerebral palsy from the slimy friction you are generating, and all of that for 4-5 seconds of a natural "high," which can easily be simulated with one's hand.

As long as it's making you happy, it's productive and fun. This is especially true if it's not just a "sticky tangle with some so-and-so." I can understand how people think meaningless sex is overrated, but an orgasm from sex and an orgasm from self-stimulation are quite different.

[Tarnak]

Sex is pretty much what we're designed to do. It's only recently that peoples lives developed other purposes.

I shall try to pass on my awesome DNA to the next generation eventually.