how far would you go to get laid?

[torcher]

what is the farthest you've driven/walked/flown/etc to have sex?

ive driven about 150 miles to get laid.
this isnt a competition, i was just curious.

[odin_dax]

I've traveled in the hopes of getting laid, but I didn't do so just, or expecting, to get laid.

[torcher]

so you went on a vacation or holiday. how far away?

[odin_dax]

I've been all over. Cairo, Vancouver, wherever. I travel because I love it and I want to see the world. Getting laid is a nice thought, but it's not why I travel.

[DoctaD]

About 4000 miles... not just for sex, but I got plenty for going.

[Th0r]

About 4000 miles... not just for sex, but I got plenty for going.

We have a winner.

Like Odin, I've travelled with the hope of sex, never to receive any however.

[crazy white guy]

about 60 km on the bus (3 hour bus ride...) with the promise of sexytime.

[odin_dax]

Like Odin, I've travelled with the hope of sex, never to receive any however.

I didn't say I didn't receive any :nana:

[Th0r]

I didn't say I didn't receive any :nana:

Hence why there was a however on the end. ;)

[thief]

Like DD not just for sex but got loads for going including married, a flight distance of 5144 miles or 8278 km.

[Eulux]

112 miles...cut and shoot - surfside

one of my favorite names for a town, btw...cut and shoot.

[_JT_]

I wouldn't bother these days! It happens when it happens... I never go hunting for it.

[Paranoid Ecstasy]

I wouldn't go farther than my sisters room.
No but honestly I wouldn't go far at all.
As stated above me, it happens when it happens.

[Jinx]

Depends who it was...

I'd go all round my area if I felt the need on that particular day.

Other than that, probably just get the chick to come here.

[torcher]

lazy bunch of fucks

[Th0r]

I wouldn't go farther than my sisters room.


Wincest. :beerchug:

I'm joking, by the way.

[odin_dax]

lazy bunch of fucks

Why they never get laid....

[torcher]

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7286/kelsoburn.gif

[iceniner]

I wouldn't drive half a mile to get laid. At this point, bitches can come to me. Or not. I really don't give a shit either way.

[torcher]

thats how you wind up gettin gay

[Raverous]

Getting laid honestly isn't that important to me anymore. There was a month or two where I was a typical asshole young guy and my life revolved around getting laid, but once it happened a few times it just wasn't a big deal to me anymore. If it happens again, fine if not that's fine too. I'm not going to go out of my way for it.

[iceniner]

Torcher, believe it or not, after a while pussy isn't that big of a deal anymore. I've lived with a bunch of women, dated more than I can remember, and after a while you you get sick of the insane bitchiness. I also spent many years on and off in various capacities in the adult industry.

Long gone are the days where I expend much effort chasing women. They can either come around, or not, and I really don't give much of a damn either way. Every fucking one of them expects to be treated like she's something special, and the truth is, by now, most of them are just whores to me.

[torcher]

exactly, im not talking about relationships. just getting your rocks off

[iceniner]

I guess any pimp cred I might have accumulated goes out the window when I say that I just don't give a shit anymore. I've rejected dates with hot women because I was doing things like sitting at home programming an Asteroids clone. The reaction when you tell them what you're doing instead of hanging out with them is priceless.

Pro tip: an attitude like that makes them want you times ten. It's not something you can fake though.

[Raverous]

I thought I was the only one who felt like that ice, my friends are basically pussy zombies and I have a who gives a fuck attitude about sex and relationships in general.

A lot of women are such narcissists they'll accuse you of being gay because you'd rather spend your money on yourself than them with no promise of reward and shitty attitude aplenty. It's bullshit really.

[REL0AD]

Walked 11 miles once, took a shit load of speed to give me the boost & drive to walk there. Anyways, got there & couldn't get it up due to the wizz dick. :(

[Acid44]

A lot of women are such narcissists they'll accuse you of being gay because you'd rather spend your money on yourself than them with no promise of reward and shitty attitude aplenty. It's bullshit really.

^that shit deserves to be in the fucking bible

i wont travel for sex, unless i know it's gonna be realllly fucking worth it, and if it's just sex it can't be that worth it... the only time ill travel fro a chick is if she's really fuckin special to me and i see some prospect of a relationship on the horizon

[iceniner]

A lot of women are such narcissists they'll accuse you of being gay because you'd rather spend your money on yourself than them with no promise of reward and shitty attitude aplenty. It's bullshit really.

Exactly. And they all expect to be treated like they're something special, when in fact there are 500 million attractive women out there in the world. For many of them it becomes a game to see how long they can string the guy along. His bending over backwards to show that he thinks they're special becomes a validation hit to them that's worth more to them than sex. If she has sex with him he'll stop acting like she's something special, so she doesn't.

Meanwhile she's screwing the pool guy.

Whores, if you can find a good one, are far better value dollar for dollar than most women. They're good looking, the bullshit is right on the table and there's a contract of sorts. With dates, you pay for dinners, gas, theatre tickets or whatever, most likely several times before she decides (or not) that you're worth screwing.

Then you have the fact that you're not going to shack up with all of them and it becomes even MORE expensive.

And to top it off, let's say the worst possible scenario happens and you get her pregnant and get married. Good going, idiot, welcome to wage slavery. She now has you over a barrel. She can take your house and half your money, and then get alimony payments FOR NO APPARENT REASON. She can live an extravagant lifestyle while you subsidize the sprog for 20 years. Here in the US, in one area there's an insane law that they just passed that says that you have to pay for your child's COLLEGE if you get divorced.

Do you want to live with some bitch all your life, as she gets bitchier and bitchier and fatter and fatter?

Keep in mind that any bullshit you see when you're first dating is when she doesn't have any real power over you!

[lcnostra]

It's interesting the direction this thread headed in, though I can't say I disagree with most of the things being said.

Pro tip: an attitude like that makes them want you times ten. It's not something you can fake though.

This is true, but I do believe it can be faked. A skilled manipulator can fake anything.


A lot of women are such narcissists they'll accuse you of being gay because you'd rather spend your money on yourself than them with no promise of reward and shitty attitude aplenty. It's bullshit really.

For the most part, this hits the nail on the head. One exception, however, is a relationship. Many guys will spend money on their girlfriends out of their own volition because:

a. They like seeing somebody they care about happy.
b. There are, in fact, rewards.

[Tarnak]

I wouldn't drive half a mile to get laid. At this point, bitches can come to me. Or not. I really don't give a shit either way.

Exactly.

If your bitch lives too far, get a new bitch... its the numbers game... get a high number of numbers.

But 6000 miles, if you must know.

Whores, if you can find a good one, are far better value dollar for dollar than most women. They're good looking, the bullshit is right on the table and there's a contract of sorts. With dates, you pay for dinners, gas, theatre tickets or whatever, most likely several times before she decides (or not) that you're worth screwing.

Maybe in thailand... its really not hard to get a girl to pick YOU up for a date and if you want to make a sob story up and probably ruin your chances you could probably get your meal paid for too. I don't buy girls anything, not even drinks. Maybe after i've fucked them as a reward, but that shit is a waste of money.

It's an unnecesary loss to achieve the objective... throwing cash at bitches is like throwing germans at machine guns in ww1.

[Abrazaderas]

If it's a competition, it's like golf.

[lcnostra]

Almost 400 miles, but because I was in a serious relationship. I wouldn't travel that far just for sex.

[digermane]

I would travel 3000 miles to see my girlfriend, but just for sex? I couldn't be arsed to get off the couch.

[NINEBREAKER]

my fiance travels 25 miles every few weeks to have sex with me. I get ride from her to stay with her.

[Th0r]

25 Miles is nothing. And I'm in the UK.

[Tarnak]

I just ran out of gas tonight trying to get laid. I had to wait for AAA. I didn't get laid. :(

[Abrazaderas]

I just ran out of gas tonight trying to get laid. I had to wait for AAA. I didn't get laid. :(

you should have raped the truck driver.

[Tarnak]

you should have raped the truck driver.

I wanted to but i forgot the lube. :(

[torcher]

thats why its rape, its not supposed to be nice

[pinky gerbilsquirt]

You guys are all so pessimistic, there must be alot of real fucking bitches and gold digging whores around you lot lol

[_JT_]

You guys are all so pessimistic, there must be alot of real fucking bitches and gold digging whores around you lot lol

Damn right! I get to hear enough drama and complaints from my friends about their women troubles and it's enough to put me off making any sort of effort. Maybe after a certain age, the pursuit of pussy just becomes less of a priority. If I went back in time and told my 17 year old self that one day I'd just cease to care about sex and even turn it down for being more trouble than it's worth, my younger self would have probably responded "what? fuck off..." before storming off for his 74th wank of the day!

There always seems to be something more important to do with my time these days. And no, I'm not a morbidly obese WoW-playing social recluse who's just making excuses, but then, that's exactly what I would say if I was one... so take it how you will. ^_~

EDIT: Just thought it was fucking ACE that I get a "Rorta PornStar" post ranking while replying to a thread about sex... That's made my day.

[pinky gerbilsquirt]

I have to say I probably would have been one of those bitches when I was a teenager, I was the biggest fucking prick tease yet I've only ever had sex with the one guy. But in saying that there were plenty of sluts in my year to keep the boys happy :)

[torcher]

but you could have been one of them! don't be a prude, share your poon!!

[Abrazaderas]

yeah! there's this 40 something lady at work that wants to fuck me, and as long as she asks nice, she'll get to have sex with a 20 year old. i don't specifically want to, but i think it'd be rather mean to turn her down. women should be the same. loosen the fuck up already! forget all that bible school stuff, it's just sex and it's almost always fun. people should have a lot more of it, and that's going to take women's help too.

[Th0r]

You're a dude. Women's opinions and thoughts on sex differ massively from that of men.

[Abrazaderas]

You're a dude. Women's opinions and thoughts on sex differ massively from that of men.

obviously, but that's nothing that reeducation couldn't handle. heh.

I don't really personally care about sex, anyways. and i'm 20. and i didn't care when i was 15, 16, 17, 18, or 19 either. i'm not that bad looking or fat, either, and i'm charismatic enough to get laid if i wanted to. it's just... it saddens me. i know i'll be just as lonely. i know i'll just be lonely anyways, though. sex is just a drug. so is love. but insofar as beliefs are tools to an end... if i ever find the right girl, i'm saying fuck it! and forcing myself to forget that love is just a drug. and i will live the lie till the day my heart stops beating.

you wanna know a real cute fact? i never had any friends as a kid, only books. so when everyone else in sixth grade was trying to look up skirts, i was reading romeo and juliett (and secretly crying at the end) and cyrano de bergerac, and don quixote. those were my peers; these works of romantic genius. they taught me my social skills. so i never wanted sex! no, i would tell kids, i wanted true love, and sex would just be as natural as breath, being one in body with whom you are already one in soul with! i actually believed that! i really, truly did. i wanted a girl whom i could love singly and forever, i wanted to be this mysterious future maidens knight in shining armor. i literally fantasized about dying in mortal combat to protect my true love. and so on and so forth. i was dead serious. i was not performing the function that is commonly referred to as keeping it real for the first 19 years of my life as regards to human mating behavior.

and then i was hit with love for a women. not interested. she only liked guys that got drunk, and threatened to beat her up if she didn't get pregnant on their second date. i would've fucking died for her - me, a writer, her, a linguist. we could talk forever. but i did not understand the cold, cruel, mechanical nature of human interaction. i had not yet seen the Dreadful machinery of chemicals and glands and behavior patterns that stimulate desire, arousal, attachment. i was innocent.

after a year or so of her gone and a lot of decent ass poems and a good novella dedicated to her, i stopped fucking crying. i don't ever let anyone see me cry. i'm a tough guy, right? right! i'll kick your ass, punk!... (and i make good. i'm fearless, or maybe i just don't care what happens. but then i go and read ray bradbury and cry.)

so stupid ol me falls in love again. this time, i could have had her! i really could have. she was ripe for the picking. but then i did a little research and came to the conclusion that i was a nobly deluded fucktard.

so i told her that i would just be her friend. when i could have had her. because every other guy, and i do mean every random ass motherfucker that walked into the store, tried picking her up. she was beautiful and charming. but i had seen what could not be unseen, and i chose to be her friend when she needed one more then another suitor at that difficult time in her life. i chose to cherish that final blossom of a beautiful lie as a pure and radiant memory instead of a sure to be trashed portait of my crushed innocence. i let it die in peace, rather then killing it out of greed or lust or desperate, crushing loneliness.

and now here i am. lonely. i wish had someone to hold and tell all my problems too.EDIT: instead i tell my problems to floating cyber spirits on the world wide fucking web. i am a fucking piece of shit. i dunno. even if i never get one life was still sorta cool and i don't regret it. you can always compensate with sarcasm. i don't know why i wrote this at this time.

in other words, BAWWW / TOO LONG DIDN'T FUCKING READ.

[pinky gerbilsquirt]

but you could have been one of them! don't be a prude, share your poon!!

lol i kept my virginity to myself till i was 17, and to this day ive never had sex with anyone else. We just had our 6 year anniversary, we have 2 beautiful children with a third on the way and we're getting married in september. So holding out was a good decision for me.


Abrazaderus you don't have to go to a bible school to hold out, i went to a public school and i don't go to church nor am i religious, its just a personal choice.

[Abrazaderas]

Abrazaderus you don't have to go to a bible school to hold out, i went to a public school and i don't go to church nor am i religious, its just a personal choice.

even atheists, hell, fuckin satanists, are heavily, heavily influenced by christian morals in the western world today. especially as far as sexual pathology goes. there's nothing wrong either with fucking twenty year olds when you're 11, if thats what you want, or dying virgin, if that's what you want. but if examined your beliefs, and the underlying axioms which formed those beliefs, and the moral environment you grew up in, it's probably a bit more christian then you think.

The pagan world found very few virgins older then their preteens. in the lower animals, you fuck as much as possible as soon as possible, generally.

[pinky gerbilsquirt]

My choice had nothing to do with Christian beliefs lol I just never felt comfortable enough with anyone to go there. Did you ever stop to think that body issues may stop alot of girls from having sex? As for there's nothing wrong with 11yr olds fucking, you've got to be kidding!!! There's everything wrong with that! Children shouldn't have sex, they're not emotionally or physically ready, and yes I'm aware of early bloomers but they're still not ready no matter how much they think they are. Kids don't think about the consequences of their actions, and there can be some serious consequences with having sex. And I doubt an 11yr old wouldn't think about birth control or protection.

[Raverous]

You guys are all so pessimistic, there must be alot of real fucking bitches and gold digging whores around you lot lol

This. I'll never be happy in a relationship because I was betrayed early on, my teenage years were consumed by thoughts of this betrayal. I will never be able to trust anyone so even the good girls wouldn't seem genuine to me. Sad but true. :sad:

[iceniner]

I will never be able to trust anyone so even the good girls wouldn't seem genuine to me.

You're very lucky to have learned this lesson so early.

[Raverous]

Gone.

[iceniner]

My, that sounds like a healthy response :)

Misery loves company I guess.

Pro tip: Keep a whole bunch on the stringer. When one of them starts misbehaving, quit talking to her and go find two others to replace her. Eventually the one will come crawling. Don't get fixated, there are a million slimy cunt trails under every rock.

[stlcru314]

Sadly an even better question is how far am I willing to go so I don't have to screw my girl

[Th0r]

If you don't like your bitch then cheat on her.

From December to May I was in a pseudo-relationship with a whore. Not that I care. I'm up for whatever I can get. The point is, is that a primal instinct of the female is to look for a fuckbuddy who can act as a provider. If you're in a relationship girls will see you as a provider and you're therefore more likely to get bitches. I really learnt about that in that five month period.

[lcnostra]

There sure is a lot of misogyny in here. Do most of you guys really believe there is no such thing as a woman and not a "whore" or a "bitch"?

I also find it hard to believe many of you have such an indifferent attitudes about sex. I'd never shower a girl in gifts just for sex, but I'd get my ass off the couch if the offer was on the table and she was hot enough. I'm past my horny teenage days, but I still occupy my mind with sex as much as most other guys do.

I have to wonder how much of these negative attitudes toward women can be attributed to failures at attaining them. For a quick fix, sex can be fun with no strings attached. But as far as relationships....why would you want to be in one with somebody you can't respect?

[iceniner]

but I'd get my ass off the couch if the offer was on the table and she was hot enough.

Talk to me in 10 years. They can come over to MY couch.

I have to wonder how much of these negative attitudes toward women can be attributed to failures at attaining them.
That's actually funny. Get back to me in 10 years and tell me whether their slimy cloacas are still so special.

When you turn a woman down because you're sitting at home programming you will have reached enlightenment.

why would you want to be in one with somebody you can't respect?

This.

Addendum: Paradoxically, this attitude is far, FAR more effective at getting women and keeping them around than the puppydog bullshit is. I could talk about this to no end, and the reasons for it, but it would just take too long, there are numerous facets...

[Th0r]

There sure is a lot of misogyny in here. Do most of you guys really believe there is no such thing as a woman and not a "whore" or a "bitch"?

I've probably met ten or so women in my life who don't qualify for the title 'attention whore', to some degree. They're the one's I respect and want a real relationship with. I don't see them as a cheap fuck, unlike I do with whores. Women want attention. It's pathological. When you don't give them it they go and spread their legs elsewhere.

I also find it hard to believe many of you have such an indifferent attitudes about sex. I'd never shower a girl in gifts just for sex, but I'd get my ass off the couch if the offer was on the table and she was hot enough.

I'd get my ass of the couch and shower her with gifts. If there's something you want and you want it bad enough you get it. No? When the going gets tough. Dump.

[iceniner]

The vast majority of women are driven by instinct. That is to say, illogical emotion that is not sensible, is not subject to negotiation, is in fact completely irrational.

They are not even conscious of this fact. Why is it this way? Because they are driven by biological and reproductive imperatives. There are certain things that they look for in men that they are not conscious of and are not in control over.

This is the reason why they prefer rogues, "tough guys" and assholes. Think about it.

Do you want to be the nice guy trying to get with one chick while she uses you as backup support through a string of destructive relationships where used car salesmen are getting into her pussy? Again, her use of you as a crying towel is a biological imperative. Ideally, for her, she would carry the DNA of a desirable, survivable Tough Guy who dumped her and went on to the next, and you would be the one forced to support her while she carries the child to term and perhaps in perpetuity. The nice, loving nurturer who is good with the Tough Guy's kid.

You don't want to be that nice guy.

You want to be the guy with 10 girls on the stringer and 100 in your little black book.

* Engage in a selection process. Eliminate the ones who won't behave. Then you will be surrounded with ones who are susceptible to what you have to offer and to the strategy. If they choose to behave, make them come crawling back.

* Be dominating. This is what many, perhaps most, women actually want. Most of the good looking ones seem to actually want this, even as they shout otherwise in their little girl voices.

The ones who don't like it, get rid of them. Don't waste your time on them. It's possible they may be testing you and may come crawling back when they see that you really are Daddy. But you should already be working on others. Your lack of giving a fuck can't be just a facade. It has to be genuine.

* Be aloof. Ignore them. Be randomly cruel. Cancel dates. Stand them up if they misbehave. This is particularly effective on the hot women, who will not understand why you aren't like all the little puppy dogs.

Again, it's very important to have more than one on the stringer. NONE of them are special-- there are 3 billion of them, hardly a rare commodity.

In fact, the stringer is KEY to this strategy. If you have less than 10 HOT women who you AT THE VERY LEAST talk to regularly, you need to be constantly grinding until you get more. Never be satisfied. The stringer has a profound psychological effect, both on you and on the lucky women in your harem. ALL of the people I talk to regularly are very attractive females.

Also, this strategy is in large part a numbers game. You need to find women who are susceptible to it. Not all are. Don't waste your time on them, they are usually boring anyway.

You want some sort of magic relationship? Get over yourself. That's what you THINK you want. In fact, it's what THEY WANT YOU TO WANT, as part of their feminization and control process, the one they engage in instinctively. Get over the romantic myth, it's a lie. At LEAST half of marriages end in divorce, and when that occurs, it's financially ruinous to the husband, who has to provide alimony and child support (to continue to provide the woman with the lifestyle you provided for her while you were married) in perpetuity.

While she fucks her 22-year-old tennis instructor.

In short, they ain't all that, and it's much better to be the pimp. It's easier on you BY FAR, it's more fun by far, and it's what most women want anyway.

There are certainly other ways to conduct yourself. But I do suspect that this strategy is by far the best, partly because it plays into biological imperatives instead of falling victim to them...

[Abrazaderas]

good post iceniner.

that post is a meaty truthnugget.

[iceniner]

As I said there are lots of ways of behaving.

I think the old way, though, was for the times before divorce and before "liberated" females who no longer need men.

Women either want to hop in the sack with you or they don't. Wasting time on the ones who don't is a recipe for disaster. Therefore, select them out early and spend time on the ones who do, and on new ones who are as yet undefined.

[pinky gerbilsquirt]

The vast majority of women are driven by instinct. That is to say, illogical emotion that is not sensible, is not subject to negotiation, is in fact completely irrational.

They are not even conscious of this fact. Why is it this way? Because they are driven by biological and reproductive imperatives. There are certain things that they look for in men that they are not conscious of and are not in control over.

This is the reason why they prefer rogues, "tough guys" and assholes. Think about it.


I watched this show that explained this. Yes it is instinct, the reason women prefer the tough guys or rogues is because there are certain pheromones in these guys 'scent' that attracts women. It's got something to do with how 'mates' were chosen back in the stone age. The men with these pheromones were supposed to be better at hunting and protecting. The nice guys, nerds or pretty boys apparently don't have as strong a 'scent'. Sounds kind of gross I reakon.



All you guys who have such bad attitudes have either never been in a proper relationship or have been burned. If all the women or girls around you are as shallow as you say then you need to go different places to meet chicks.

[iceniner]

All you guys who have such bad attitudes have either never been in a proper relationship or have been burned.
Argument from personal incredulity.

Also, this is really a question of personal taste. What's your definition of "proper relationship?"

you need to go different places to meet chicks.

I love the places I go to meet chicks. Are they worth bothering with? 99% of the time, no.

But then I must be one of those guys who have a strong scent :) I thought it was just my deodorant.

Also, it's foolish to assume a lack of experience on the part of others. Where was I around the time your mother got pregnant? Ever think about that?

[pinky gerbilsquirt]

My idea of a proper relationship is when you connect with a person on more than a physical level but also on an intellectual and spiritual level too.

If your having fun where you go I never said to stop going, buy if you're going out to meet chicks and as you said they aren't worth bothering with most of the time then maybe you need to get out to different places. Oh and yeah a good deoderant helps too (for me anyway) lol.

As for assuming lack of experience I did give an alternative, I said may have been burned.
And where you were when my mum got pregnant? Another country. How old do you think I am anyways? Just curious

[iceniner]

My idea of a proper relationship is when you connect with a person on more than a physical level but also on an intellectual and spiritual level too.

I think that this is one of many honeyed lies that we're told. If I want "intellectual" I'll read math books. I've been through all this and I've come to the conclusion that I like my women hot, young and stupid. Why? Because it's less drama bullshit.

But that's just me, your mileage may vary.

maybe you need to get out to different places.
I've dated numerous women and numerous types of women. I've dated women who had been whores. I've dated an immunologist. By and large I find them to be far more of a nuisance than they're worth. You apparently feel differently but whatever. But I do like to get laid so this is why I do what I do.

Personally I think it's sappy, lovey-dovey bullshit. You have all that and I'll screw cute young women. I got tired of the drama and the blah-de-blah. Marriage is my idea of hell. But then you and I are obviously looking for different things.

[catnips]

I've reincarnated 10,000 times to find The One; the joy is in the journey...

[pinky gerbilsquirt]

Personally I think it's sappy, lovey-dovey bullshit. You have all that and I'll screw cute young women. I got tired of the drama and the blah-de-blah. Marriage is my idea of hell. But then you and I are obviously looking for different things.

well the sappy, lovey-dovey bullshit has worked for me. I've been in a stable relationship for 6 years, have 2 beautiful girls, another bub on the way and I'm getting married in September.

I just have one more thing to say then you can go back to screwing your hot, young dumb girls lol. Not all women are drama and nagging, not once has my partner ever done anything special for me for valentines day (or anything for that matter), he's never done anything remotely romantic for me ever and just recently we had our 6 year anniversary and he completely forgot and went and got pissed at a friends house instead. I never have held any of this against him or nagged him about it, I may have teased him a bit for forgetting our anniversary when he had a hang over the next day but I still looked after him when he needed it and even kept the kids quiet until he was ready to get up.
He is my best friend that I can talk to about anything and he's seen me at my very worse (and vice versa) and he still stuck around and I think that is better than a bunch of flowers or chocolate or even jewelery.

[lcnostra]

That's actually funny. Get back to me in 10 years and tell me whether their slimy cloacas are still so special.

When you turn a woman down because you're sitting at home programming you will have reached enlightenment.

We’re just different people. Like I said, I'm beyond the days of getting hard-on's in English class and thinking porn is the greatest thing ever. Still, I enjoy sex. While I can take care of myself just fine, sex is a far more satisfying release. It grounds me. Not to confuse correlation with causation, but I have friends who don't receive sex as much as they'd like. Their mannerisms hint at this, almost as if the frustration can be visibly observed. I can't speak for everyone, but I feel so much more calm and carefree when I'm getting laid on a regular basis. It also doesn't hurt that I'm in a committed relationship with somebody I care about. What could be better than having sex with someone you actually like?

My idea of a proper relationship is when you connect with a person on more than a physical level but also on an intellectual and spiritual level too.

Amen. This is why I have a positive view of sex and most of the reason I enjoy it.

Women want attention. It's pathological. When you don't give them it they go and spread their legs elsewhere.

Not necessarily. I think there is some truth in what iceniner said, though I don't think women can be stereotyped as if they all fall into some single pool of specimens who all behave the same way.


Do you want to be the nice guy trying to get with one chick while she uses you as backup support through a string of destructive relationships where used car salesmen are getting into her pussy? Again, her use of you as a crying towel is a biological imperative. Ideally, for her, she would carry the DNA of a desirable, survivable Tough Guy who dumped her and went on to the next, and you would be the one forced to support her while she carries the child to term and perhaps in perpetuity. The nice, loving nurturer who is good with the Tough Guy's kid.


Again, there is some truth in this, but be careful not to make blanket statements about women. The thing that bugs me about this widely-purported view is that it seems to be chronically repeated among the biggest pussies and wankers who can't muster the courage to make women interested in them. Before I continue, let me remark that I don't think this is you. You sound like a guy who knows how to get what he wants. You engage the methods that attract what you're interested in. We're just not interested in the same things, but that's not hurting anyone. I am not addressing you specifically, but ranting about something that really irks me.

The thing that bothers me about this all-encompassing "alpha-assholes get all the chicks" mantra is that it's mostly believed and spoken by the "nice guys" as some means to justify their own failures. I can't tell you how many times I've heard some shy, inhibited twerp say "I could get that girl if I dressed and acted like a douche. Why aren't girls interested in the nice guys?" It's a poor excuse that completely overlooks the gaping chasm between being a "nice guy" and being an alpha-male. It is beyond me why so many people seem to believe that there are just two extremes on the spectrum -- you can either be a nice guy who goes home to his hand or some douchey stud who bangs all the chicks. Why so much myopia and linearity in thinking? Girls do like nice guys; the problem is that most nice guys are also bleeding vaginas. Well, I'm tired of hearing these guys complain about being nice and thinking they could score if they reinvented themselves into some asshole. It's not strictly about that, and thinking so will only blind you and hinder your success.

Girls like confidence, plain and simple. You don't have to be a raging dickhead to impart confidence; that's just a crutch most guys use. You can be a nice guy and get girls. The trick is to remove your tampon and show some self-respect. If you can't be confident, be apathetic. That works almost as well. I have no pity for the guys who use the asshole clause as some excuse for their whiney behavior. Go up, introduce yourself, and smile. It's the best pickup line you'll ever learn. You don't have to be an asshole, but stand up straight and maintain some confident posture. And for christ's sake, don't get in the habit of asking girls "what's wrong?" on a regular basis. That puppydog behavior is irritating and even gets annoying in serious relationships.

TLDR - Being a "nice guy" and a strong, confident alpha male are not mutually exclusive. You are responsible for your own shortcomings, so don't blame the guys who know how to work the system.


They are not even conscious of this fact. Why is it this way? Because they are driven by biological and reproductive imperatives. There are certain things that they look for in men that they are not conscious of and are not in control over.

Like you, I've studied this stuff pretty extensively. I've read the guides, I understand the biological aspects of it, and I know it works. I just want to chime in with one minor caveat: "women" will never be an all-encompassing term for which general guidelines can be applied. They are all different, and their behavior can never be predicted. I think you made this statement, though I really wanted to reinforce its importance.

Again, addressing nobody in particular -- Just be aware that picking up girls is like fishing. If you use iceniner's lure, per se, you will end up catching a certain type of female. The type of chicks that fall for "negs," egotism, and overwhelming dominance are usually not too intelligent and generally have self-esteem issues. That's fine if you're just looking for a romp, but just keep it in mind. Not all women are manipulated as easily, and those are the ones that you need to reel in, mount, and put on your wall. Okay, enough with the fishing analogies. :nono:

As far as just looking for girls to fuck, true advice has been spoken by iceniner. Just remember that "nice guy" has become a stigmatized term equitable with being a huge pussy. It shouldn't be. I have always been a nice guy, but I haven't always been outwardly confident. I started getting pussy years ago when I stopped being one.

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[iceniner]

I've been in a stable relationship for 6 years, have 2 beautiful girls, another bub on the way and I'm getting married in September.

Get back to me in 10 years and let me know how all that worked out for you. Best of luck but the statistics for happy marriages are against you and are in decline.

My views on this subject are a reflection of the way I am. But usually when people start with the starry-eyed blather about "meaning," it's a good sign that piles of bullshit are to follow. YMMV.

But overall, my reaction to what you wrote was "Holy fuck, you poor devil." THREE kids? Wow.

I don't think women can be stereotyped as if they all fall into some single pool of specimens who all behave the same way.

At the very least they are totally insane three days a month and usually more. In addition, they are unable to see their own irrationality.

As I said, Your Mileage May Vary. I tried the other way for years and I bought into the bullshit. Not anymore. Things are much mobetta now.

Many people discount the biological imperatives which govern the behavior and control the cognition of women. These imperatives are far more powerful than you may think.

[Th0r]

I don't think women can be stereotyped as if they all fall into some single pool of specimens who all behave the same way.

Maybe not, but they sure can be grouped into multiple series of people. Ever read the 'Art Of Seduction', by Robert Greene, dude?

It's possibly the greatest book on the subject of seduction, sex and human behaviour related to relationships. Everyone can be grouped bar a genuinely minute portion of the populous.

But my statement still stands.

The vast majority of women in Western society are attention whores. A large amount of men are too, but women moreso. Men are capable of saying to themselves, STFU and get on with it.

One of my original points was, the driving force behind practically everything sexual (Hetrosexually speaking.) is primal urges and desires.

Girls like confidence, plain and simple. You don't have to be a raging dickhead to impart confidence; that's just a crutch most guys use. You can be a nice guy and get girls. The trick is to remove your tampon and show some self-respect. If you can't be confident, be apathetic. That works almost as well. I have no pity for the guys who use the asshole clause as some excuse for their whiney behavior. Go up, introduce yourself, and smile. It's the best pickup line you'll ever learn. You don't have to be an asshole, but stand up straight and maintain some confident posture. And for christ's sake, don't get in the habit of asking girls "what's wrong?" on a regular basis. That puppydog behavior is irritating and even gets annoying in serious relationships.

Great advice. Word. Word. Word.

I'm being serious, by the way. Confidence has always been a weak point and I've massively constructed a sense of confidence fuelled by sexual desires.

Confidence is key as is having ten or so girls on the books at any given time.

[iceniner]

Ever read the 'Art Of Seduction', by Robert Greene, dude?

A good book but 48 Laws is far superior, IMO. Even if it is a sort of (very, very well) annotated "The Prince."

The big turning point for me was when I started treating females exactly as I treat guy friends. In that context I prefer their company because they don't incessantly talk about football and Cannibal Corpse.

But as soon as the drama starts I'm outta there!

:la:

[catnips]

Women either want to hop in the sack with you or they don't. Wasting time on the ones who don't is a recipe for disaster.By this reasoning I'm a recipe for disaster for all male-born persyns everywhere. LOL!!

[lcnostra]

Ever read the 'Art Of Seduction', by Robert Greene, dude?

Yep, along with "The Game" and every ebook imaginable by 'David Deangelo'.

Some of that stuff is crap and some of the conversation is outdated. You have to just sort through and find the good parts; they're in there. A good majority is 100% dead on, if that's the type of information you're after.

Personally, I don't believe in manipulating girls using the "cocky and funny" methods or by subconsciously devaluing them so they will place you on a pedestal. I believe in improving self-image, excellent hygiene, and having good social skills. The first of these processes works; I'm just not too interested in the type it attracts.

As iceniner subtly hinted, you don't necessarily need a book that strictly focuses on interactions with women. Human interactions can be complex, but they can also be relatively universal in nature. It wouldn't surprise me if applying some of the strategies in "How to Win Friends and Influence People" would work on getting women. It's all about being a likable, charismatic, and powerful person. If you have a job, can stand up straight, and at least seem interesting, half your battle is over. I haven't gotten a chance to read 48 Laws, but I'll upload if there is interest.

[iceniner]

Dale Carnegie is indeed great. One of the best selling books ever, along with "Think and Grow Rich" if I remember right.

Best advice in a nutshell: meet a lot of women and don't focus on any of them. By averages, some of them will like you even if you're Jabba the Hutt. The rest won't like you no matter what you do. Hell with them.

A lot of the chicks who like you are chicks who like a lot of guys. They're called sluts. Screw 'em and don't expect anything else from them.

I had a roommate years ago who I thought of as "Mr. Bootie Call." He never had a girlfriend that I knew of, but he had dozens upon dozens of women who he had had short flings with. It was kind of amazing how many calls he got.

The way he met them was by working as a barback at a certain brass rail franchise sports bar. He's 38 and still fucking hot 20 year olds.

Oh, and did I mention his wife is a stripper? Another thing-- the dude is of average height, fit but otherwise completely unremarkable.

What's the trick? Well, part of it is that he just doesn't give a shit about them. How can he? How could he when he had god knows how many on the stringer? That makes him "safe" for a certain kind of girl to basically use as a gigolo.

[Tarnak]

I've done some reading too... the Deangelo escalation ladder put me on another level... it's such a good foundation to have.

Personally though, i can't deliver things made by other people ("routines") very well and have them still feel natural... i feel like i'm lying which throws me off. But I think every guy should do some reading so they can get rid of their own self-defeating beliefs that the media and society teaches.

Girls like confidence, plain and simple. You don't have to be a raging dickhead to impart confidence; that's just a crutch most guys use. You can be a nice guy and get girls. The trick is to remove your tampon and show some self-respect. If you can't be confident, be apathetic. That works almost as well. I have no pity for the guys who use the asshole clause as some excuse for their whiney behavior. Go up, introduce yourself, and smile. It's the best pickup line you'll ever learn. You don't have to be an asshole, but stand up straight and maintain some confident posture. And for christ's sake, don't get in the habit of asking girls "what's wrong?" on a regular basis. That puppydog behavior is irritating and even gets annoying in serious relationships.

No offense, but this isn't great advice. Every dudes been getting that advice for years but it doesn't tell you HOW to achieve confidence OR put on fake confidence. Apathy is unattractive... girls like emotion I have found. When I'm on the prowl I'm playful, humorous, i have some fake funny drama, and shift in to a more intense/serious mode when zeroing in. Apathy conjures images of the "eh, whatever" guy... the trick is to have some level of actual apathy towards the outcome of the interaction but not let it show.

Apathy is boring. You need to be interesting to be attractive.

Confidence is achieved by success... which allegedly requires confidence. Being "the asshole" can build your confidence, because you'll have the balls to face rejection... which is why so many guys never try in the first place.

Confidence can be faked by constantly practicing good body language, not beating yourself over shit, and putting yourself in to a positive mental state as best you can before you go chasing the tail.

In fact, the stringer is KEY to this strategy. If you have less than 10 HOT women who you AT THE VERY LEAST talk to regularly, you need to be constantly grinding until you get more. Never be satisfied. The stringer has a profound psychological effect, both on you and on the lucky women in your harem. ALL of the people I talk to regularly are very attractive females.

Iceniner this is great advice. It really just comes down to getting a high number of numbers so that you can pick and choose the best ones.

So many high quality/no girl skill guys get trapped with the first girl that's nice to them... its depressing.

[iceniner]

IMO, you don't have to "be confident." Just get 87 female friends. It's easier now than ever what with gayspace and fagbook and all that. Confidence kind of comes with not giving a shit. Not giving a shit comes with numbers.

Wasting a lot of time on one woman is a terrible mistake.

Personally I got to the point where I don't even bother anymore. My opinion of most females is so low that I'm just not interested, to the point where if a chick is throwing herself at me I might or I might not bother to go out. Most likely not.

I have a feeling that my next thing is going to be married women. Best of both worlds if you ask me.