But what of the republic?

[Mr.A]

We all know as I am sure that the political and economic world has been making a big turn for something "new" or different. What that difference is is hard to decide. The fate of us has for a long time been in the hands of our governing body, whichever type it may be, the masses have always seemingly bent over backwards support their government. Myself, have usually tried to avoid government issues, limiting my education to the media, mainstream and unofficial(internet). Reason being is that it usually just ends up depressing me.

Now it's known that the great superpower the USA was founded as a republic and not the now widely believed democracy. Where democracy is a more acceptable form of government to most it is of course lacking in some of the "balanced" department. My opinion is that the republic has gradually been shadowed by democracy in the US, very much so since WWII. Also that the democracy that we seem to be living in now is soon to be turned into a more Oligarchical type society. How would we go about getting back to a beautiful body that has laws governing the government and allows the people to prosper with the cushy feeling of freedom?

Thoughts an opinions please.

[odin_dax]

It sounds like you're making a point, but if someone carefully reads this he'll discover you actually said nothing at all. I've seen this happen here before, the OP never asserts an opinion and just responds to others, usually pointing out flaws. Uh, uh, not this time.

If you want people to engage in conversation, you'll first have to state why you think the US is the way it is now, and you'll also have to state your own opinion to your own question.

[Mr.A]

I disagree, trying to approach any situation as open as possible I wish to obtain knowledge from new sources. I'm not sure as to why the US is the way it is right now that's part of what I'm trying to determine by bringing this up. I sure as hell don't have an opinion about my question, not yet at least I'm still reading.

[.VX]

How could people reply to this?

[thief]

Well, he did give his point of view a little and then asked the question, "How would we go about getting back to a beautiful body that has laws governing the government and allows the people to prosper with the cushy feeling of freedom?"
I don't see the problem Odin...

[odin_dax]

Not to get bogged down in details... The whole question is loaded on detail that wasn't talked about. There's no reasoning for him to state the question like that, and without that knowledge one can't properly answer the question. Furthermore, in his second post, he said he didn't have an opinion. Again, given that case, how can one reply? That's all I'm saying.

[Tricho]

The united states is a Madisonian Democracy and a republic aka a Democratic republic. The original founders of the united states were opposed to democracy as a whole cause they viewed democracy as a form of government where the majority can dominate the minority. So they formed the government in the style of both forms of government borrowing from the Greek models in ancient times and from the roman republic before Julius Caesar started the destruction of the republic; also on a side note United States law is based on old British common laws and styles of policing. Which is the direct result of the government we have today. The Supreme court aka the Judicial Branch and the Congress aka the Legislative branch and the executive branch which is the president and his cabinet members. The cabinet members aren't officially apart of the government and no where in the united states constitution does it say they are apart of the government. Its just a practice that was started by people like Andrew Jackson in those times and it became a staple that the presidents began to follow. You've stated that the government is more similar to an oligarchy.

When in fact your wrong; the government of the USA was not founded in the fashion that you stated and the governments power is not in a small few "elite". It may be viewed that way because of big business and Obama being so popular and charismatic. Our freedoms may seem like they are disappearing when they really aren't. Many people like to compare Obama to Stalin when this comparison is completely ridiculous. Stalin was a totalitarian socialist and when in all reality Barack Obama is a moderate who comes under fire from both sides for their misunderstanding of his policies the left calling him a Nazi and the right calling him Stalin. Though Obama isn't the entire government hes just a figure head so to speak who helps direct the nation with his policies in a sense. The government is made up of hundreds of thousands of people and it takes big government to be a superpower which the United States is. A big government with superpower capabilities. The USA is a country with freedoms cause if it wasn't it would be dominated by a single political system IE like in the Former Soviet union or Nazi Germany and these ill informed accusations are ridiculous and quite stupid.

[Eulux]

Now it's known that the great superpower the USA was founded as a republic and not the now widely believed democracy. Where democracy is a more acceptable form of government to most it is of course lacking in some of the "balanced" department. My opinion is that the republic has gradually been shadowed by democracy in the US, very much so since WWII. Also that the democracy that we seem to be living in now is soon to be turned into a more Oligarchical type society. How would we go about getting back to a beautiful body that has laws governing the government and allows the people to prosper with the cushy feeling of freedom?

Thoughts an opinions please.

ignoring all the other posts...this paragraph to me is the only thing worth replying to...first, to anyone that's bothered to open an american history book, it's always been known that we were founded as a republic...but was founded with the intent of democracy...a different sort, yes, but nonetheless...it's just that at that time, democracy was considered chaotic...so we have a representative democracy.

as for democracy overshadowing the republican side...well...as long as the electoral college is established, the republic side is safe, so no worries.


The one thing that gets me about this is your only question:

How would we go about getting back to a beautiful body that has laws governing the government and allows the people to prosper with the cushy feeling of freedom?

At the time of our ratification of the constitution, women and blacks were not allowed to vote...and blacks were not even considered a whole person by the eyes of the government...so I'm not sure we were ever a beautiful government...but what do we have to do to become one? if anyone can answer this one, please do so...though I have no doubt my solution would be different than yours, and so on...but what is your opinion? what do you think we need to do? you don't necessarily need a great deal of information to form an opinion...all of my political opinions stem from what I believed as a preteen...what that says about me I'd rather not think about.

and I wish tricho was not banned, he seems like fun...

[iceniner]

What is going to happen in the USA remains to be seen and I'm really not big on predictions. Unforeseen events almost always render predictions wrong.

But things aren't looking good.

The payload of the 911 attacks (overreaction in the form of police state totalitarianism, gunboat diplomacy, resulting economic collapse) is still taking effect. It could even be said that the effects are just beginning: a long commitment in Afghanistan will harm the economy severely, unless what's said about control over energy corridors comes to fruition.