Scratch and Win Scam

[Thor]

Ok, this isn't neccesarily a scratch and win only scam, but it is based on those cards you buy. This could possibly go under chemicals and such but I am not 100% sure. When you play scratch and win, there is that grey crap that you scratch off (I personally do not have the slightest clue as to what this is). How hard would it be to produce this "grey matter" in the form that they use it? I am sure that if one could make it, the process of re-applying it to the ticket or any other thing that uses it could be figured out pretty easily in turn.

So the question is, What is that grey stuff? and how do you get it/make it?

There are a few other things that SWIM would personally use this on, but SWIM thinks they might only work for SWIM's personal location. However it would still be good to know for sure! Anyone?

[Stone]

Very interesting... I never thought about it but I can think of many practical implacations for this. Kudos.

[DIzzIE]

This is indeed an intriguing idea :)

A good place to start off for research would be the US Patent Office Patent Search: http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html

There is quite a lot of information there, a little something to whet your appetite:


By selecting an opaque substrate, data supported on the substrate cannot be easily viewed or obtained, for example, by holding the article up to a strong light and viewing the supported data through the substrate. Alternatively, the substrate may be partly transparent, selectively transparent, or entirely transparent. For embodiments having a substrate with some transparency, an opaque laminate, such as a metal foil, can be permanently bonded to a substrate surface. In one embodiment, the substrate may be a solvent-based CRYSTAL FASCLEAR TC film facestock, which is commercially available from Avery Dennison Corporation (Pasadena, Calif.). In one embodiment, the substrate may be a biaxially oriented BOPP film, which is commercially available from, for example, UCB Films, Inc. (Smyrna, Ga.) or Avery Dennison Corporation (Pasadena, Calif.).

It would be great if you could read through a few patents or whatnot and present us with your findings :)

[THErAPIST]

i used to stick the mcdonalds scratch and win things up to a construction tripod light and read them. i got a few free burgers out of it and such. using the hyper white bright lights for a car might have the same effect, or using a HID light also

[RELOAD]

I convey regret for going off topic with no input to the thread but what the fuck is SWIM?

[Thor]

SWIM is simply a paranoid persons way of defending ones self on the interent when posting not all together legal ideas. Someone Who Isn't Me... Just a habit I've picked up from posting on other forums for awhile.

[AionSan]

Gasoline @ the back of the ticket, reverse lighting. Usually works for scratch & win cheap tickets.

[jonnyBbad]

that grey crap. i have heard is latex. i would imagine
that it is sprayed on in some kind of liquid form by a
machine. but if you could get hold of it im sure you
could put it on some other way. though you would
need exact colour match.

[ComfortablyNumb]

What benefit would putting the grey stuff back onto a ticket have? i mean, if you've already scratched off the stuff, and lost, then youve lost, but if you win, then you go and take the ticket back to the liquor store or wherever where they scan it into a machine to make sure its an actual winner. And its not like theyll let you exchange the ticket for a new one, so... what is the point of putting that stuff back on?

[jonnyBbad]

i have seen some where you have to say scratch of only three squares and if you match three you win. so all tickets will have three matching shapes but it is up to you to find them. obviously if you scratch off more than three the ticket is void. with this you could scratch off the whole card and re-cover the shapes you dont want uncovered. but getting the liquid latex i dont know. if any one finds out let me know

[Armalite]

You all know of course, that winning tickets in most contests, and nearly all lotteries, are determined by scanning the barcodes or reading the numbers on them right? You don't even have to scratch them.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Thats why I was wondering what the point of this whole "scam" is.

[DoctaD]

Either re-selling the tickets or returning them to the store, I guess.

"You allowed my child to buy these lottery tickets yesterday! You better give me my money back or I will report you to the authorities."

[Armalite]

THat's a lot of work for a dollar.

[Jarmungand]

asdf

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

get the stuff thor was talkin about and if u work somewhere where they sell scratchies put a scratchie recylce tin out the frount get the loosing ones they dont rip up an recoat an possibly do what Jarmungand suggested?

[AionSan]

You all know of course, that winning tickets in most contests, and nearly all lotteries, are determined by scanning the barcodes or reading the numbers on them right? You don't even have to scratch them.

How odd they all have the same barcode :loser:

[Stone]

They have two barcodes... One which is different depending on how much if anything you have won. The other is the sales barcode, the one which always stays the same. Armalite was reffering to the former. :loser:

[DoctaD]

On UK National Lottery scratchcards, there is also a 4 digit code under the scratch panel of each card, which has to be keyed into the terminal as well as a barcode scanned before the machine will even inform the assistant of the amount won, never mind pay out.

If this code was damaged during scratching, the shop are unable to pay the amount shown. I assume you have to post off to claim your prize in that case.

[ck01]

Some commercial printers have a machine that applies the scratch-off material. I've never looked at one closely, but I have heard them operate. I believe that the material gets compressed on very tightly. That is, the equipment uses heavy-duty compression to apply the scratch off material. You could probably find a used machine but then you would probably have to rewire your home to supply enough electricity to the machine. You would also need to have a source for the material. If you aren't a licensed printer, a supplier may not sell to you.

[wargasm]

You would only be able to use this material in conjunction with a very pricey/sophisticated printer. Also, there is only a certain number of times you would be able to win big off of a company before they would get very fucking suspicious, and how many tickets are out there that 1. You could actually use this scam on. And two, that are infact seperate companies, not just different cards produced by the same one. Once you won big more than once they would be suspicious, and this is fraud.

[Stone]

Or maybe it was going to be used to make fake cards that supposedly help charity and you sell them in the citys main shopping area at Christmas for ?5. You could easily sell 200 in an evening. Do the maths.

[odin_dax]

Or maybe it was going to be used to make fake cards that supposedly help charity and you sell them in the citys main shopping area at Christmas for ?5. You could easily sell 200 in an evening. Do the maths.

Before this thread goes any further, let me address one important issue. I assume most of you have played a scratcher. I've never seen a used scratcher that didn't have markings of being scratched (ie coins), even leaving ridges in the ticket.

This scam might work in supermarket promo scratchers. Safeway had them going last football season. The only reason I say it'd work there is that it's a grocery store and much easier to pass.

[Armalite]

Or you could just go with a much easier variant of the fake giveaway scam and make basket filled with crap like candles and glittery stickers and sell them in the name of some nonexistent charity, like the "Foundation for the Mentally Unstable and Sociopathic". Or you could get a reel of a few thousand raffle tickets from your local party supply store and take a legit looking roster sheet door to door selling tickets for some charity raffle. No one would even come looking since they don't expect to win and therefore don't expect you to call them back anyway.

[Stone]

Before this thread goes any further, let me address one important issue. I assume most of you have played a scratcher. I've never seen a used scratcher that didn't have markings of being scratched (ie coins), even leaving ridges in the ticket.

This scam might work in supermarket promo scratchers. Safeway had them going last football season. The only reason I say it'd work there is that it's a grocery store and much easier to pass.

But the cards wouldn't have been used. He would have made them so they would be new. Isn't that the point of wanting to know how to make the grey gunk on them?

[odin_dax]

But the cards wouldn't have been used. He would have made them so they would be new. Isn't that the point of wanting to know how to make the grey gunk on them?

I think knowing how to make the gunk is useful no matter what, but I thought the point was knowing which squares of a scratcher to scratch off so it's a winner, such as in the pick 3 scratchers.