"The Inevitability Of the Circle""

[mnybxrs]

hello guys, this is a paper i wrote over a very pensive thoughtfull night in iowa. i'm pretty proud of it; i made some good points and i like the way i worded my ideas here. i'm curious to know what you think of it, if you have anything to add etc.

i'm posting this on totse too, just to get it out there and get more opinions, but on the totse post it will read "from rorta.net" because i am posting it here first. well, i hope it's not too incoherent, enjoy...




The point of life is to keep ourselves distracted until we die. Here i will explain how i arrived at this conclusion aswell as offer an explanation of how religious practice uses this.

Ignorance is the absense of thought, absense of thought is "bliss", therefore ignorance is bliss. To become ignorant you must clear your mind of thought, to clear your mind of thought you must not think. To not think is to not draw conclusions, to not draw conclusions is to not change. To not change is to stay the same, to stay the same is to go nowhere. To go nowhere is to go in a circle, to go in a circle is to distract yourself. To distract yourself is to forget yourself, to forget yourself is to become ignorant, to become ignorant is to become blissfull. Therefore the circle equals distraction which equals ignorance which equals bliss.

The circle exists to distract us. Our whole lives we distract ourselves with circles, then we die, becoming completely ignorant (completely absent of thought) since ignorance equals bliss; complete ignorance equals complete bliss. Therefore death is bliss, bliss is distraction, we distract ourselves throughout life, therefore we spend our lives attempting to imitate death while maintaining a fear of it.

Religion provides distraction in the sense that it provokes worship, to worship is to have faith. To have faith is to believe nothing is in one's hands. To believe this is to believe nothing is original, to believe nothing can be original is to beleive there are no conclusions to be drawn. To believe this is to believe that there is no reason to think, which is to stop thinking. To stop thinking is to stop drawing conclusions, which is to become ignoratn. Ignorance is bliss therefore to worship is to become blissfull.

It is the act of worshipping not the object of worship that provides distraction (bliss), therefore all religions can provide bliss. This proves that religion isn't neccissary or fact, but rather just a very clever man-made solution to the problem of wanting constant bliss (constant distraction) to keep ourselves occupied until we can die and achieve bliss.

the end.
june 04' --ep--

[duiker]

That is a plausible idea, however, you will easily find (ironically) that you're talking in a circle yourself. Because, while something can equal something else, for example, death=ignorance, it can mean anything, everything, or nothing else at the same time. So in life, there's infinite numbers of relating circles connecting to this, that, and the other. Something can equal something else, but it never means ONLY that something else. See?

[mnybxrs]

oh wow. i love this site, that's just the type of feedback i was expecting, thanks you gave me a lot to think about. maybe soon i will retort.

[Heavy_'TalMeMan]

hmmmm....true,true..

there's no escaping the fact that something that can lead us to a conclusion although
there could be an infinite possible number of conclusions being at the same time being right,
wrong, or possible.

I believe Nietzsche himself once said that "faith means not wanting to know(the truth)"....or something like that.

another thing i'm thinking is that all individuals, being only able to store a limited amount
of knowledge in our brains, are not able to comprehend,
nor fully be aware of all the knowledge in the world.
Thus because we are not aware and do not understand,
we are all ignorant at some point.
There's no escaping it.

Perhaps the circles you talk about don't exactly exist to distract,
but are actually inherent with our human existence.
They ARE because we ARE.
(Ignorance exists because we exist?)=>quite a thought.

now that's deep shit. :thinking:
excellent work, guys.

[duiker]

Well yes, the circles are our patterns of thought and behaviour, really. We use circles to reason with every day. So there are no circles, but we create them.

[ComfortablyNumb]

To not change is to stay the same, to stay the same is to go nowhere. To go nowhere is to go in a circle, to go in a circle is to distract yourself.

Isn't going in a circle going somewhere? i mean, you may very well end up in the same place you started, but it has changed because it is a different point in time, and is therefore not the same place that it was when you started. every time you go around the circle you arrive in what appears to be the same place, but is actually a different place. (whether you want to think of this place as different because of time, or because the earth is hurtling through space, or whatever is up to you.)

And anyways, how can we ever completely go in a circle? I mean, assuming you start at point A, and desire to get back to point A, you would, conceptually, have to go through an infinite number of points in space to get back to this point. (if this is confusing then let's say that halfway around the circle is point B, which you must pass through to get to point A, but halfway between point A and point B is point C, which you must pass through to get to point B, which you must pass through to get to point A, but again, halfway between points A and C, there is Point D, which you must pass through to get to point C, which you must pass through to get to point B, which you must pass through to get back to point A -- now think of these divisions as going on forever, which is possible, because a line (technically its a curve since it's a circle) can be cut into an infinite number of segments, and it is conceptually impossible for a person to physically pass through an infinite number of points in space.) therefore, going in a circle is going somewhere, because you can never get back to point A, and are therefore going for eternity, with no destination.

-note- this isn't my idea, this was first conceived by the philosopher Zeno in his racetrack paradox.

--sry to get hung up on the actual thought of the circle itself, if I completely missed the point of the paper, please tell me.

[mnybxrs]

okay the point i was trying to get across, is that our minds cannot concieve thoughts large enough to understand anything of significance. just like cockroaches can't understand english; we can't understand the universe. so we just distract ourselves with circles. pretty much everything is a circle if you think about it. you might say, "what is so important about the circle? sure there are coincidential things about it but what special thing does it represent?" well im not sure.

but i know this, the earth is a circle, if you just look at it. but really it's a sphere. we know it's a sphere, but no matter what angle we look at it it will always appear to be a circle. the sun and the stars are all circular, titties are circles to look at them, with nipples making little circles and circles, the penis is a cylindrical object with two spherical objects beneath and these things seem to be motivation for a lot of humans.


the basic point is, circles are everywhere. i just find it easier to answer every life question with "circles"....i mean how cool are bubbles right? yeah.

[duiker]

I wonder if the universe is an inside-out circle?

[ComfortablyNumb]

If I look at a triangle I don't see a circle, nor am I reminded of them in any way.