MDMA prices

[gbu-36]

meep, Sorry Im really really super rolling right now

But how much does x cost in your area ?

Tonight we got 10 pills of mdma (green with an exclamation point on them) for 160$

AND OMG are they awesome

[DoctaD]

We usually get 10 pills for ?20.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Gone

[gbu-36]

All I know about .au prices is a general 30$

(source of info: friends around melbourne)

[SayItAintSo014]

What the hell is MDMA?

[DoctaD]

Methylenedioxymethamphetamine

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml

We usually call 'em chats.

[SayItAintSo014]

Ahhh, okay. So it's basically meth?

[ComfortablyNumb]

No, it's ecstasy, not meth.

[INCH06]

We usually get 10 pills for ?20.

:yeah:
A bag of unadulterated MDMA crystal costs roughly ?20-?25 (?UK) whereas a single pill can range from 50p to ?5. The price usually goes down when buying in bulk.

[stlcru]

here in the midwest usa its around 16-22$ for a roll, depending on the quality

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

in Aussie Capital is $7 a pill 100 for $300

[Armalite]

In Texas its about $5 a pill. Okinawa may be different, I dunno.

[headcase]

Between 4e and 6e, and the quality is never guarenteed. Maybe less then 4e if its from a friend.

Ecstasy is the shit.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Havnt done X yet, all my mates are keen on x an trips but im just stikin to good old pot an an bit of amphets every now an than.

[headcase]

An amphetamine buzz is a negative side effect of an MDMA buzz. To quote myself from last weekend:

"Nah, I'm down. Still stuck with the amphet buzz though".

Amphetamine buzz is a bad thing! Don't bother with it. (Although your first few speed experiences are very similar to MDMA, only with a better body buzz, which actually feels better then MDMA, but one they're gone, they're gone forever. Que MDMA.)

[DoctaD]

MDMA gets worse every time you take it.

Imagine having a rollercoaster in your back yard, but you have a brain disease.

This rollercoaster is awesome, but going on it cuts your life by 45 minutes.

The first time you go on your rollercoaster, it's amazing. You want to do it again! Next time it's good, but lacking slightly in the excitement department.


Then you bring some now people on with you, and their lack of experience and enjoyment make yours better.

Then the more you experience this rush, the less excitement you feel. So you go faster... and faster... and faster.

This analogy would end with the rollercoaster crashing and burning, if my experiences with MDMA had been negative, but comparing the good times to the bad, it's not worth a mention.

[headcase]

When (most) people get bored of the rollercoaster though, they stop using it though. I'm pretty inexperienced in my rollercoaster use, and compared to Speed, rollercoasters are the shit.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

Havnt done X yet, all my mates are keen on x an trips but im just stikin to good old pot an an bit of amphets every now an than.



Pot rocks. I have taken other drugs but I am not even going to anymore. Especially XTC.

I quit a long time ago, every now and then I take an xtc pill and tear... maybe 1/10th off of it and have it with some green tea.

But I will never do that shit. I have too much self-respect. lol. Eats away at your life and your brain. lol.

POT. AND P.L.U.R. yall..

[gbu-36]

yea, Im not too into x now that Ive seen what its done to my honey and her friends, they run around yelling PLUR untill they come down and then they just act like tweakers.

Heh, e-tards are just that, brightly colored tweakers

[laundrysoap]

Pot rocks. I have taken other drugs but I am not even going to anymore. Especially XTC.

I quit a long time ago, every now and then I take an xtc pill and tear... maybe 1/10th off of it and have it with some green tea.

But I will never do that shit. I have too much self-respect. lol. Eats away at your life and your brain. lol.

POT. AND P.L.U.R. yall..

Man, MDMA isn't that bad for you, it's pills cut to hell and back you have to worry about.

MDMA is not really bad for you long term if you take it 2 times a month or less, well spaced apart. You don't want to do shit like drink within a few days after, take MAOIs, etc. and you'll be alright.

PS Rolls cost about $15, but it's usually bunk shit.

[headcase]

See the new report on the harm drugs do? Esctasy was near bottom, well below alcohol and tobacco. And this was a proper study by proper experts. Obviously wolfing down pills does damage, as much as alcoholism does.

[DoctaD]

Heh, e-tards are just that, brightly colored tweakers

:-D

[ThePrincessOfScam]

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/ecstasy.html

http://www.drugs.com/MDMA/


http://www.stopaddiction.com/narconon_drugs_ecstasy.html#


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,46162-3,00.html


http://www.drugabuse.gov/Testimony/mdma1.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA


http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml


http://www.dancesafe.org/slideshow/index.html


http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/165/7/917

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/cas/Documents/MDMA/

(^ Harvard)


Sorry guys.... I have seen the people on XTC/who did XTC they just fucking scare me. And the people who defend XTC are compleatly fucked up too. lol. Most of the sites I went to supporting XTC were raving sites. LOL. I see studies that they think pure MDMA could help Parkinsons but they are still not sure. Good for them. LMAO



Tweakers go to hell!

You are all :lame:

[ComfortablyNumb]

You shouldn't trust information about drugs that you get from institutions dedicated to eradicating drugs from society(NIDA,Stopaddiction.org) . That's like getting your information about Jews from Nazis. Plus, XTC is not Meth(tweak)- so stop calling the ecstasy-users "tweakers."

-and- from the harvard study you pointed out...
Results: The prevalence of past year ecstasy use rose from 2.8% to 4.7% between 1997 and 1999, an increase of 69 %. This increase was observed across nearly all subgroups of student and college type. A smaller sample of ten colleges revealed that the increase continued in 2000. Ecstasy users were more likely to use marijuana, engage in binge drinking, smoke cigarettes, have multiple sexual partners, consider arts and parties as important, religion as less important, spend more times socializing with friends and spend less times studying. Unlike other illicit drug users, ecstasy users were not academic underachievers and their satisfaction with education was not different from that of non-ecstasy users.

Conclusions: Ecstasy use is a high risk behavior among college students which has increased rapidly in the past decade.

If you notice, in the results section, none of the "harmful" effects are bad at all, or at least, aren't anything many average college students dont do: "engage in binge drinking," "smoke cigarettes," "consider religion less important,"- when talking about the negative effects of a drug, pointing out independent behaviours is irrelevant- example: I use marijuana, drink, have multiple sex partners (as often as possible), enjoy arts and parties, dont consider religion important, smoke cigarettes, and spend more time with my friends than I do studying(though I still have straight A's), yet, I have never tried ecstasy. amazing.

Also, in the cmaj(canadian medical association journal) journal you provided, there is one glaring detail in the first paragraph:
The available evidence does not yet permit an accurate assessment of the size of the problem presented by the use of these drugs.

As for the Time magazine article- theyre study is unscientific, and doesn't account for many, many variables (read what they did- they tested the memories of e users vs. non-e-users, w/o checking to see if those people had good memories before they started using e., or checking levels of education, etc.) plus, of course time will publish the most sensationalist articles they can that still have a shred (if only that) of credibility- these are the stories that get read the most, and, hence, are the ones that make the most money.

as for the wikipedia article:
Long-term [adverse] effects are still unknown and heavily debated among scientists

[ThePrincessOfScam]

And I am not going to take my information from a person who takes XTC or a place that Supports XTC.

All I can say is for myself and it is I have seen XTC users.. I have seen them the way they act or interact with others or their judgement and I do not like it at all.

I have also seen some pretty scary pictures of the seritonin and chemical imbalence in an XTC users brain. Sorry, hunny, but I would rather just shoot myself in the head several times then use XTC. lol. When they take a normal person and a normal person who is on ectasy and show their brain..... eeeeee... not good.

And sorry to sound all cliche and whatnot BUT

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2006/08/scarlettBrain.jpg


There was actually t his guy who came in at the hospital I used to work at, as a patient. and (this isnt funny) he was on XTC.. and couldnt stop masterbating. And this guy crashed and still couldnt stop masterbating, his brain was like.. frozen in the state it is when you are on the drug. And this guy died. From dehydration and somehting else like cardiac arrest.

There are so many trippers on E who come in to the resteraunt at night and all I can say is that it cant be good.. lol... wh at is happening to you when you are on E. Nothing like that can be good for ya. lol

[headcase]

I once saw a guy smoke a marijuana joint then turn inside-out.







DON'T SMOKE MARIJUANA!!!!

[ThePrincessOfScam]

He turned inside out? NOOOO!??

Was it from the healing properties or the deliciousnessss?

Pot isnt inconclusive in its research they know what it does to you and what it can help you with.

With those fucking chemicals they dont know shit about shit. I aint puttin that in my body until someone has half a fucking clue about what the hell it does.

[gbu-36]

Anything the ravers like, I dislike, anything that brings them joy, angers me. I know there are good ravers, but honestly Ive met mebbe 1 out of at least a hundred. MDMA may cause little damage according to studies, but when you look at what it does to peoples social skills/ability to interact with decent people It is just like meth, exactly like meth.
Jjust the people have been dumbed down enough by their chronic mdma abuse that they dont realize they are just piece of shite tweakers (nerd rage!!!!!!!!!!!) .

Im sure occaisonal use (say once a month or less, preferably less) prolly doesnt do that, but from what Ive seen people usually dont just keep it to that, they do more and more and more untill They are just drooling retards not even fit for use in target practice.

Yea, Ive had wayyyy too much experience with these kids lately

Edit:
(Heh, as you may have noticed Ive changed my ways when it comes to most drug stuff, costs too much and yea, I dont like what I saw some stuff doing to friends)

[headcase]

Im sure occaisonal use (say once a month or less, preferably less) prolly doesnt do that, but from what Ive seen people usually dont just keep it to that

Yeah, and these people are the idiots who give drugs a bad name. They were stupid enough to abuse the drug in the first place, you have to ask yourself how much damage you can really put down to the drug.

Alcohol abuse causes as much damage as drug abuse, it's just that per user, there are less people who abuse alcohol. Because of the stigma attached to drug use, it's true that most of the people who try them are retards to begin with. This is of course not always the case. I knew what I was doing when I started and I'm happy with how that has progressed. I took ecstasy the weekend before last. The time before that was in November. Next time is late June, more then likely. I've had an opportunity to go last weekend and next weekend (Easter holidays - everyone wants a house party), both of which I've passed on because I'm not an idiot.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

Its quite clear what happens to them. That makes them retards. They know "Hey, I am gunna try this and get addicted, my brain is going to deteriorate and I will loose everything to the drug" and they fucking do it anyway. and they keep doing it, and the fucking prophosy fulfulls itself.

AND THAT, my tweaker friends, is what makes them reatards. Not how they do it how how much they do it. They know what is going to fucking happen to them and they do it anyway.


And the ones who think it is cool to do it are just not even worth talking about. As they are nothing to anyone anymore.


Not too mention how unsafe that shit is.... I mean... Raves and exchanges and shit. *shakes head* If you are gunna be a damn e-tard then fucking do it where no one sees you fucking high/use and no one has to deal with your shit. Dont stroll downtown or to the mall or with your e-tarded buddies either. And also, do it fucking safely.

TWEAKERS!! There are places that know how addicted and retarded u are and will just make sure (for free in Canada I am not sure about USA) that you are o fucking k and give you some food or syringes or whatever you need to stay safe. DAMNIT USE THEM. no one wants to deal with your shit.

It is pretty sad that all this money goes into drug places and exchanges and no tweakers use em. Because they would much rather annoy their poor parents/clean friends or the staff at McDonalds. Go and use the drug exchanges. They can help you stay safe if you cant stay SMART.

[DoctaD]

Princess, you're spurting a lot of opinionated bullshit. You know nothing more than what little you have read and watching people that you assume were rollin'.

Sure, MDMA has a lot of faults. Do you seriously think that people don't realise how they act on the drug, before they take it? Of course they do. They enjoy the drug because of how it makes them feel, the effect it has on them. They reach a mental stage which cannot be achieved without this chemical and make the decision that the pros outweigh the cons.

Are they hugging you or sticking their tongue in your ear? Are they forcing the drug down youre throat or spiking your drink? If so, then sure, you have a good reason to complain about them. I somehow doubt it though.

I have a lot of experience with this chemical and although I no longer take it, I have had some awesome experiences. Even the memory of how I felt, while I was sitting quietly smiling at the wall or talking about my deepest personal feelings to people I hardly knew, it all reminds me of what a good time I had the many, many times I took the drug and I don't regret it for a second.

I did, eventually, decide that the cons outweighed the pros and stopped taking it completely? Why, you wonder? Was it the health implications or possibly the financial side of things? No, I stopped because my drug use destroyed one of my relationships and was on the road to destroying another. This also wasn't because of how I acted on them, things I done on them or how much money I spent on them... none of those things. It was just the fact that I took them.

So why bother talking shit about something you know nothing of?


gbu, I know you're just ranting about tweakers and you have plenty of experience in the field. This isn't aimed at you.

[Stone]

There was actually t his guy who came in at the hospital I used to work at, as a patient. and (this isnt funny) he was on XTC.. and couldnt stop masterbating. And this guy crashed and still couldnt stop masterbating, his brain was like.. frozen in the state it is when you are on the drug. And this guy died. From dehydration and somehting else like cardiac arrest.

Bullshit... As anybody who has taken X will tell ya, it's next to near impossible to get an erection while out of it on X. For fucks sake, most people who are buzzin can't even taken a piss. If that even happened, do you know for sure what drug that guy was after taking? X doesn't cause cardiac arrest or dehydration. People can dehydrate while on pills but thats from dancing, etc, and not drinking to replace the fluids they lose (it can be quite hard to stomach anything, even water).

There are so many trippers on E who come in to the resteraunt at night

And what exactly do they do in the restaraunt? Eat? Bullshit... I have never known anybody to be able to eat while buzzing, and you can ask anybody here have they ever eaten while buzzzing and the answer will be no. X actually kills you appetite for a few days after taking them also. They are the best method of weight loss known to man. I once went from 86Kg to 68Kg in the space of 3 weeks when I went on a binge.

[DoctaD]

Ive never ate while rollin'

Couldn't even bring myself to swallow my gum.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

DOCTA D:


Shut up you tweaker. lol. It dysroyed something. I dont give half a shit because it varies from person to person why they are on or came off the drug. All I know is that scary shit occurs while you are on E. Not just in your body but on the outside too.


I am not going to listen to a bunch of past X users/current X users who want to justify their addiction. Science, medicine, cat scans and ongoing tests prove that while you are sitting there like a fucking retard smiling at the wall there is shit goin down that cant be good for you.

Good for you, you got a fucking buzz. Most people who take E do. Thats why they do it. Unfortuantly what you couldnt understand is that many E users are faced with what it is doing to their bodies/lives and keep doing it. That is so fucking stupid.


So why bother talking shit about something you know nothing of?


Why do I know nothing of it? Because I am using scientific facts that are compleatly against taking E? LMAO. I think I have posted enough links and articals about why the fuck you shouldnt. But there ar emore, enough to go the fuck around! I am not going to listen to e-tards about how E isnt bad for you and a bunch of shit they got from rave-friendly sites.
I never took E, and therefor will never know about it. And I am GLAD. I am not a fucking retard. I wont risk my life for a little pill that could dystory everything in a single high.

And good, maybe the relationship wasnt ment to last. Perhaps it was for the best that you were dating a down to earth person that saw that e was a fucking rediculous drug and that you are a fucking tweaker.

(EDIT: I dicided not to be so mean that way. Here: A relationship of mine ended because I used to have a CRAZY drinking problem like something else. I am ok now. I couldnt go a few hours without hard liquor because I would be stressed and feel very withdrawn. There. See? We are all human. Just choose to be a fucking smart one. Not a drugged up, disgrace for a human being, I would rather go with my dog for a walk then stare at the wall with a dead smile on my face, thankyouverymuch)



STONE:




Bullshit... As anybody who has taken X will tell ya, it's next to near impossible to get an erection while out of it on X. For fucks sake, most people who are buzzin can't even taken a piss. If that even happened, do you know for sure what drug that guy was after taking? X doesn't cause cardiac arrest or dehydration. People can dehydrate while on pills but thats from dancing, etc, and not drinking to replace the fluids they lose (it can be quite hard to stomach anything, even water).

Oh please...


MDMA and Sex

Many users will abuse ecstasy simply for the 'body high' - the senses of feeling and touch that become intensely pleasurable. This physical sensitivity, paired with the feelings of self-acceptance and empathy for others, can often lead to an increased sex drive and feelings of intimacy. This is why some people consider ecstasy to be an aphrodisiac, or even one of the date-rape drugs. Nevertheless, while MDMA may enhance sexual desire, it also impairs sexual performance. Males may be unable to achieve erection under the peak effects of ecstasy, while both sexes have great difficulty in achieving orgasm. In addition, due to the effects of dehydration and heat exhaustion, both sexes can encounter a lack of lubrication - the number one cause of condom breakage. And because ecstasy lowers inhibitions and can heighten arousal, it can easily lead to risky behavior in which the user would not generally participate.


The guy died from Dehydration or something of that sort. And the thing is... He was high when he was jacking off, but even when he crashed he couldnt stop. No orgasm,, he was in so much pain I heard and he was jacking off and talking to the doctors and shit. It was so fuckin sad, funny, rediculous and it shows how fucking stupid hard drugs are.





Subjective effects of MDMA ('Ecstasy')
on human sexual function
by
Zemishlany Z, Aizenberg D, Weizman A.
Geha Psychiatric Hospital,
Petah Tikva and Sackler Faculty of Medicine,
Tel Aviv University, P.O. Box 102,
Petah Tikva 49 100, Israel.
Eur Psychiatry 2001 Mar; 16(2):127-130

ABSTRACT
Sexual function following 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, or 'Ecstasy') consumption was subjectively evaluated in 35 healthy recreational users (20 men and 15 women, aged 21-48 years) with regard to four major domains of sexual activity: desire, erection (lubrication in women), orgasm and satisfaction. Desire and satisfaction were moderately to profoundly increased by MDMA in more than 90% of subjects. Orgasm was delayed but perceived as more intense. Erection was impaired in 40% of the men. It seems that MDMA impairs sexual performance, in spite of enhancement of sexual desire and the perception of greater satisfaction.


Apearently RATS cant preform sexually while on XTC. Humans....


"The acute boost in monoamine activity can generate feelings of elation, emotional closeness, and sensory pleasure... Abstinent regular Ecstasy users often show... memory problems, higher cognitive deficits, various psychiatric disorders, altered appetite, and loss of sexual interest."



You out there tweakin like crazy stone? Because thats the only thing that will shut you down. lol.






And what exactly do they do in the restaraunt? Eat? Bullshit... I have never known anybody to be able to eat while buzzing, and you can ask anybody here have they ever eaten while buzzzing and the answer will be no. X actually kills you appetite for a few days after taking them also. They are the best method of weight loss known to man. I once went from 86Kg to 68Kg in the space of 3 weeks when I went on a binge.

No actually..... They fucking dystroy shit! One guy took apart a fucking napkin dispenser and threw it on the road.



http://ironic1.com/brain-on-drugs.jpg

[gbu-36]

Couple things, while I think x is retarded and have had tons of problems with e-tards as of late I still really dont care if other people do it. The people who are really into drugs in general I just dont have them involved in my day to day life.

As for a couple things, I have eaten on mdma, it was awesome, and I have also seen others eating while on it, though this group of people who can eat while rolling seems to be a minority.

As for getting an erection on mdma, heh, I wouldnt know, but theres a newer trend where boys take both mdma and viagra so they can have sex while rolling. And this combination can be fatal.

Mixing MDMA with certain other substances CAN kill you or leave you seriously damaged.
At a recent rave I was doing security at several kids found this out the hard way, mixing Spike energy drink with x sent 3 of them to the hospital (Im guessing the yohimbe in spike being a MAOI is what did it for them)

And MDMA does have an effect on your ability to think and your short term memory. In fact studies have shown (Ill get the source when my honey gets home, shes way more into psychopharmacology than I) that one use of mdma can permenantly decrease your ability to form sentences by 10%. Besides that study all I can use to back up my claims is my personal experience as well as my observations of the people that Ive been forced to be around by my girlfriend.

I Personally have no problems with someone who uses the stuff every once in a while, though the addicts I really dont care if they live or die. (Kompressor watch you die, because Kompressor does not DANCE)

I still occaisonally do other drugs, but quite honestly my drug/drinking days have faded away into my past. These days I prefer to spend my money and time on more rewarding pursuits.

Oh and PS, Theprincessofscam: You might want to just ease up a bit, its just the internet homey, and though not all of us are adults we might wanna act a bit more like we are. I enjoy rorta because its a free exchange of ideas that are a bit outside of what the norms are, but becoming confrontaitional wont really solve anything on the internet.

Edit: I realized not everyone will get the kompressor joke so yea here ya go http://www.kompressormusic.com/mp3/KOMPRESSOR_DOES_NOT_DA.mp3

[DoctaD]

Hmm. So what about marijuana which you love so much. Still a drug which has adverse effects on the brain, body and life. Is this so different?

Unfortuantly what you couldnt understand is that many E users are faced with what it is doing to their bodies/lives and keep doing it.
Ive never met someone so addicted to MDMA that they will do it any more than once a week, not including binges. Nicotine, alcohol, thc, meth, heroin... not MDMA.

All I know is that scary shit occurs while you are on E. Not just in your body but on the outside too.
You dont know that, you've been told that.

how E isnt bad for you and a bunch of shit they got from rave-friendly sites.
Did Stone or I imply that MDMA isnt bad for your health?

I am not a fucking retard.
Matter of opinion.

And good, maybe the relationship wasnt ment to last. Perhaps it was for the best that you were dating a down to earth person that saw that e was a fucking rediculous drug and that you are a fucking tweaker.
Heh, she didnt know what drugs I was taking. The problem was lying about taking them. Thats my problem, not for some opinionated inexperienced little girl to pass judgement on.


The guy died from Dehydration or something of that sort. And the thing is... He was high when he was jacking off, but even when he crashed he couldnt stop. No orgasm,, he was in so much pain I heard and he was jacking off and talking to the doctors and shit. It was so fuckin sad, funny, rediculous and it shows how fucking stupid hard drugs are.
This sounds like a stupid, made-up anecdote told by one of the "cool" anti-drug guys who comes around high schools. I wouldnt believe everything you hear.

Oh, before I go...

Call the fucking drug squad, "tweakers" broke a napkin despenser and THREW IT IN THE STREET!

Every day I hear of problems in our society blamed on drugs (including alcohol,) especially violent crimes. I dont think some kids getting high and fucking with McDonalds nightshift is the end of the world.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

I have no fucking problem with anyone. lol. :D


Just when people crawl up in my ass I have a problem. lol

I may be a bit extreme to continue an internet based argument but they are being retarded by starting this shit. If everyone just let everyone else have an opinion and not object or be a wise ass no shit would go down and people would be cool.

And as you posted I was editing my post a bit on the DoctaD part. (new edit) well then again maybe i shouldnt have. lmao.

oh and btw, DD. Maybe if you didnt want me to pass judgement you shouldnt have said shit or maybe gone deeper into the dituation if you were gunna say some crap about it. Like yeah "I was lying to my mate about drugs" not "a relationship of mine was dystroyed because of drugs"

Fuck off, DD. Seriously. This Little girl = better then your tweaker ass will ever be.

[ComfortablyNumb]

The problem isn't that we aren't letting you have an opinion. The problem is that you are using your opinion to disparage our own, more-experienced, more-well-informed opinions on the matter. Nobody is trying to pick a fight with you, but you seem to be doing everything in your power to be completely close-minded and belligerent with us. And think about what you are saying- you are saying that the opinions of people who formerly used E (who, in this case, are actually agreeing with you that E-use is bad- yet you seem to only want to focus on issues for which you can say they are wrong) are less valid than the opinion of a 15-year-old little girl who read some articles on the internet. I mean, look, you are someone who ahs never used this substance, or has ever had any real experience with users of this substance, yet you seem to think you are an authority on it. Just relax, you dont have to believe every bit of what everyone says, but before you go around jabbering about how wrong they are and how right you are and how much better you are than us, try just thinking about what they're saying, consider it, and then try responding in a more coherent manner.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

NO. 1: Stop calling me a little girl. Seriously. Age has the least to do with the matter.

NO.2: Science and sutdies are behind me on this one, so it is the opinion of the user. They feel good. Good for them. Just dont try to tell me that X is less bad for you then a glass of wine or Marijuana. Unfortunatly, science disagrees ADEMENTLY.

NO.3: Because of those articals and numerous shit I have seen and heard and read I choose NOT to do X. I am not going to put my life at risky at the cost of experiance. That is a stupid trade.

NO.4: If my opinion disagrees with yours there is no reason to fight back about it. I am not trying to openly provoke you even if I came off that way. I had an opinion which, appearently, you guys diagree with, no reason to fight back according to my opinion. But once you start it you can end it or continue. You choose to continue, so there is no reason for me to stop.


NO.5: An opinion is an opinion. What you say isnt a fact. It is an opinion based on the drug users. What I say includes facts but it is mostly my opinion. I am cool with that. Just dont hang off my ass with stupid reasons as to why X isnt bad for you according to shit you got from rave-happy sites.




NO.6: Again, I say that I have not one single problem with anyone on here. Just stop being so damn hypocritical. Serioualy, when I say something, someone shoots back [negitivly] and I contnue it as a base to that hit, then you tell ME that I shouldnt take it so seriously. Maybe you should just fucking live by that and not reply anyway, or reply in a manner that is more respectful.

I am ok with "I disagree but anyway..." Or whatever. Just dont try and take a biased opinion (biased from the target that you are taking the drug) and try and say I am wrong (because I dont take the drug because of shit according to science). I have a problem there. Your objection is fine. 100% ok. Just please if you are objecting to scientific facts, obect to them with more scientific facts. Then it is a logical argument. You were all shooting at me for my age, not having experiance with this drug, some shit you heard from PRO DRUG sites, insults and crap like That.

I backed my opinion up because it was according to tests and studies and pictures and x-rays and cat scans and being able to see what happens to you and past-x-user friends, etc.. etc... I am not bringing in your fucking age or my 100% opinionated responce. At least I have science behind me, you have the fact that you disagree with me disagreeing with using the drug. Which would be cool. If you were nicer.

OK? That is my only problem there. I will stick with my studies and I have problems with drug users, yeah, Because I have tons of friends I lost and things that happened to me because of the drug effecting the people I love. I just am shocked that anyone could do it to themselves or others but whatever.

Sure, I got pissed off, I realise this. But there was no reason for you guys to be so harsh and then tell ME to calm down (???????).. You seem to do this everytime. It is getting annoying.


But whatever, if it is just an opinion then why are you all taking it so seriously and deeply. lol.


Get where I am comming from because I see where you are comming from fine.



PS:


The problem is that you are using your opinion to disparage our own, more-experienced, more-well-informed opinions on the matter

Well informed and more experianced? Yes more experianced because yout ake the drugs, But I dont think a bunch of people on drugs should insult the experts/scientists/studies who STUDY the drug, have seen what it does and why it does it and then formed a very well-backed-up conclusion about taking it. Are you upset because science is against you right now (baffeled)?

And my opinion disagrees with you.. And? LOL. If it is opinion vs. Opinion it is an endless battel but when one person has more information and facts on the matter.... It is opinion vs. fact. And a hands down win. you can say "I understand what this drug is doing to me... But I am still going to take it." Whatever, your choice, as it is for some people NOT to do it based on the factual part of the argument (like me). But when you are trying to counter a fact with opinions that you beleive is fact and/or facts that are bias then there is a huge problem.

I used opinion in my argument. yes. But please dont counter the fact part. Seriously...

-____- ;

And why are you all, especially you CN, obsessed with my age and gender? (more baffelnesssss of me)

[ComfortablyNumb]

NO. 1: Stop calling me a little girl. Seriously. Age has the least to do with the matter.
Stop speaking and acting like a little girl and I will stop calling you one (notice how there are other female members on this board who are younger than myself, yet not once have I ever pointed to the fact that they are acting like a stupid teenage girl in any argument against them). Dont take this the wrong way- I'm not trying to insult you, howver I do realize that it appears that way, buts thats only because Im saying exactly whats on my mind without trying to dress it up at all.

NO.2: Science and sutdies are behind me on this one, so it is the opinion of the user. They feel good. Good for them. Just dont try to tell me that X is less bad for you then a glass of wine or Marijuana. Unfortunatly, science disagrees ADEMENTLY.
Nobody is debating the science, I wasnt even debating it when I quoted those articles- I was just pointing out that they were inconclusive. Hell, I'll even go the extra step and agree with you that Ecstasy is horribly bad for you physically and mentally, as are all amphetamines. And, like I said, nobody here is saying that X is good, not by a longshot, DD even told you how it destroyed a part of his life, which is why he stopped. And I must have missed the part when someone said it is less bad than marijuana or a glass of wine- whoever said that is wrong. The fact is, any substance whatsoever can have negative physical effects, but most users do not experience these symptoms, because msot users use in moderation. And, if used in srtict moderation, drugs will not hurt you (generally)

NO.3: Because of those articals and numerous shit I have seen and heard and read I choose NOT to do X. I am not going to put my life at risky at the cost of experiance. That is a stupid trade.
Good, thats the exact same choice I've made- like I said, Ive never used the drug and do not intend to. Just don't pass judgement on the people who have- just because you havent used the drug, doesnt make you better or smarter than them in any way.

NO.4: If my opinion disagrees with yours there is no reason to fight back about it. I am not trying to openly provoke you even if I came off that way. I had an opinion which, appearently, you guys diagree with, no reason to fight back according to my opinion. But once you start it you can end it or continue. You choose to continue, so there is no reason for me to stop.
NO.5: An opinion is an opinion. What you say isnt a fact. It is an opinion based on the drug users. What I say includes facts but it is mostly my opinion. I am cool with that. Just dont hang off my ass with stupid reasons as to why X isnt bad for you according to shit you got from rave-happy sites.
Actually, my "opinion" on the subject is probably very, very close to your own, I'm just separtaing my opinion, from the factual basis on which I prefer to argue. And the fact is, the facts are inconclusive. but, like I said, If my opinion were all that I were arguing with, then I would be on your side and say that X is bad bad bad.

NO.6: Again, I say that I have not one single problem with anyone on here. Just stop being so damn hypocritical. Serioualy, when I say something, someone shoots back [negitivly] and I contnue it as a base to that hit, then you tell ME that I shouldnt take it so seriously. Maybe you should just fucking live by that and not reply anyway, or reply in a manner that is more respectful.
The problem is that you take everything we say that disagrees with you as a personal attack, and then you proceed to attack us, rather than our opinions.

I am ok with "I disagree but anyway..." Or whatever. Just dont try and take a biased opinion (biased from the target that you are taking the drug) and try and say I am wrong (because I dont take the drug because of shit according to science). I have a problem there. Your objection is fine. 100% ok. Just please if you are objecting to scientific facts, obect to them with more scientific facts. Then it is a logical argument. You were all shooting at me for my age, not having experiance with this drug, some shit you heard from PRO DRUG sites, insults and crap like That.
Fair enough, some of the people (including myself) aren't even giving you a chance to be right- even if you are. The problem isnt only with us, however, its with your presentation of your ideas also, which is piss-poor at best.


OK? That is my only problem there. I will stick with my studies and I have problems with drug users, yeah, Because I have tons of friends I lost and things that happened to me because of the drug effecting the people I love. I just am shocked that anyone could do it to themselves or others but whatever.
Ok, fine. I was just trying to say that despite the fact that you have lost some friends,the people on this board, I guarantee you, have lost many times more friends and things than you have. And dont be hocked that people would do this to themsel;ves- people like pleasure and will seek it at any cost.

Sure, I got pissed off, I realise this. But there was no reason for you guys to be so harsh and then tell ME to calm down (???????).. You seem to do this everytime. It is getting annoying.
you have a point here- we didnt need to be so harsh. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings then.


Well informed and more experianced? Yes more experianced because yout ake the drugs, But I dont think a bunch of people on drugs should insult the experts/scientists/studies who STUDY the drug, have seen what it does and why it does it and then formed a very well-backed-up conclusion about taking it. Are you upset because science is against you right now (baffeled)?
Once again, I am not debating the science- just a few of the shakier studies, but most of them are fine. I wasn't saying X is good, I was just debating your claim that anyone who does it is a retard, and that their opinions shouldnt be considered on the subject. Thats all.



And why are you all, especially you CN, obsessed with my age and gender? (more baffelnesssss of me)
lol, its because its an easy way to tear down your argument without having to actually do any work. because, I mean, Who in their right mind takes anything a 15-year-old girl has to say seriously. (now you see, that was an attack on your person- but I was being sarcastic, so dont get all self-righteuos about it).

[ThePrincessOfScam]

Stop speaking and acting like a little girl and I will stop calling you one (notice how there are other female members on this board who are younger than myself, yet not once have I ever pointed to the fact that they are acting like a stupid teenage girl in any argument against them). Dont take this the wrong way- I'm not trying to insult you, howver I do realize that it appears that way, buts thats only because Im saying exactly whats on my mind without trying to dress it up at all.

And then when I try and say what is on my mind without sugar coating it suddenly its:

The problem is that you take everything we say that disagrees with you as a personal attack, and then you proceed to attack us, rather than our opinions.

No I am voicing my un-coated opinion. Like you are.

Stop speaking and acting like a little girl and I will stop calling you one

And I am also speaking and acting like a little girl when I voice my opinion. Just a tad of hypocracy.. eh?


Good, thats the exact same choice I've made- like I said, Ive never used the drug and do not intend to. Just don't pass judgement on the people who have- just because you havent used the drug, doesnt make you better or smarter than them in any way.

And meanwhile a person who has used the drug is more well informed and more experianced then I am... More hypocracy.



Fair enough, some of the people (including myself) aren't even giving you a chance to be right- even if you are. The problem isnt only with us, however, its with your presentation of your ideas also, which is piss-poor at best.


They attack me in the first place using insults and wrapping their opinion with attacking me. So not only are they not giving me a chance they are fucking trying to insult me wich is more childish then I have ever been.



Ok, fine. I was just trying to say that despite the fact that you have lost some friends,the people on this board, I guarantee you, have lost many times more friends and things than you have. And dont be hocked that people would do this to themsel;ves- people like pleasure and will seek it at any cost.

Which surley makes them more well informed, right? Seeking pleasure blindly?


you have a point here- we didnt need to be so harsh. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings then.

Fine



lol, its because its an easy way to tear down your argument without having to actually do any work. because, I mean, Who in their right mind takes anything a 15-year-old girl has to say seriously. (now you see, that was an attack on your person- but I was being sarcastic, so dont get all self-righteuos about it).



I have to find people who arnt in their right mind then (joke)


PS: CN, you and esophogus can lay off my BF. He is older then me, and? lol. Esophogus was trying to say he hoped I would get raped by a pedo anyway. So what If I am consentually having intimate relations with a person i love?

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Holy fuckin shit!

[ThePrincessOfScam]

LOL ^

[REL0AD]

MDMA may cause little damage according to studies, but when you look at what it does to peoples social skills/ability to interact with decent people It is just like meth, exactly like meth.

I have to disagree with you there my friend. MDMA & Meth are a whole different ball game - From expirience.

In the UK it was said in a tabloid that not many doctors have treated patients addicted to E.

[00000]

This thread pisses me off, full of bullshit.

i get a ?20 bag, but i don't actually know how muhc it weighs. i think it's half a gram.

it gives me 3 mind blowing doses.





Most health hazards can be avoided in my opinion. MDMA can cause your body to not be bale to regulate your body tempareture as well as usual, but obviously this can be helped with water.

I thin kthe cons of MDMA are more in your head:
confusion, depression, sleep problems, drug craving, and anxiety.

[REL0AD]

This thread pisses me off, full of bullshit.
i get a ?20 bag, but i don't actually know how muhc it weighs. i think it's half a gram. it gives me 3 mind blowing doses.
Matter of opinion and tolerance.





Most health hazards can be avoided in my opinion. MDMA can cause your body to not be bale to regulate your body tempareture as well as usual, but obviously this can be helped with water.

Stepping outside, taking a rest etc... Water for the dehydration.

[headcase]

Most of the immediate health hazards, yes. But I'm keeping an open mind about the long term effects.

By the way, the effects might be "in your head", but that doesn't make them any less real.

[REL0AD]

By the way, the effects might be "in your head", but that doesn't make them any less real.

Very true.

Problems 'in your head' = Mental health problems. Which can come in small packages and big packages... Not nice.

[00000]

drug rule #1, "dont be a wreckhead."

[kawheee]

Its quite clear what happens to them. That makes them retards. They know "Hey, I am gunna try this and get addicted, my brain is going to deteriorate and I will loose everything to the drug" and they fucking do it anyway. and they keep doing it, and the fucking prophosy fulfulls itself.

AND THAT, my tweaker friends, is what makes them reatards. Not how they do it how how much they do it. They know what is going to fucking happen to them and they do it anyway.


And the ones who think it is cool to do it are just not even worth talking about. As they are nothing to anyone anymore.


Not too mention how unsafe that shit is.... I mean... Raves and exchanges and shit. *shakes head* If you are gunna be a damn e-tard then fucking do it where no one sees you fucking high/use and no one has to deal with your shit. Dont stroll downtown or to the mall or with your e-tarded buddies either. And also, do it fucking safely.

TWEAKERS!! There are places that know how addicted and retarded u are and will just make sure (for free in Canada I am not sure about USA) that you are o fucking k and give you some food or syringes or whatever you need to stay safe. DAMNIT USE THEM. no one wants to deal with your shit.

It is pretty sad that all this money goes into drug places and exchanges and no tweakers use em. Because they would much rather annoy their poor parents/clean friends or the staff at McDonalds. Go and use the drug exchanges. They can help you stay safe if you cant stay SMART.
Sounds like you purely describe people that frequently abuse MDMA....you also sound very biased against it, and as was pointed out previously, your sources arent the most credible- even if they seem credible. You, my friend, give Candadians a bad name (For Gods sake you sound like an Evangelical shouting "CHRIST IS LIFE" at people....) All in all, your disagreements with drug users of various types are much too....personal to be considered legit.

[00000]

. You, my friend, give Candadians a bad name.

as if they dont have a bad name already.




and to clarify from an earlier post i get .5grams for ?20.
MDMA crystals.


i get mdma pills ranging from ?2.50 each, to ?0.50 when bought in bulk.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Goid reading all this makes me wanna slap that little bitch for being so ill-informed and annoying with her incessant bullshit!

[Antagonist]

I'm confused, why do non-drug users always think the know more about people who have actually done the drugs themselves and have had FIRST HAND experience/research, as well as other research.

This reminds me of non-marijuana users making claims such as "marijuana is sometimes laced with acid..." which is impossible because LSD is destroyed by heat, and not effective smoked (obviously)

Its illogical, and dangerous thinking.

Princess, you sound very immature (hence you dating an older guy to compensate for that, oldest story in the book, hun) so why don't you keep your data-poisoning out of this thread?

I only once tried a pill that was allegedly MDMA, not much effects from it, was cut with coke...felt the coke a little. Would like to try legit MDMA once with a cute girl, but don't see that happening for awhile. Not much into drugs aside from weed but enjoy experimenting, too much trouble most of the time.

I think most the negative effects come from (as mentioned earlier) repeated use (should only really be used once a month at most) using other drugs, and cut pills.

Pure molly isn't as harmful as most people think though.

edit: oh, but I just realized (after all the off-topicedness) this is the MDMA prices thread, in the south prices were 15-30 a pill, usually the higher prices tend to come from the use of the word "triple-stacked" or whatever bullshit people want to feed you about it being a good pill. Yes, I am aware triple-stacked is a bullshit myth.

[Micro]

I trust "scientific facts" if they are backed by multiple references.
Note that there is a complete museum made by people who say that the world is only 6000 years old.
There is also this little cult funded by a scifi writer who publishes studies about why psychiatric threatment is wrong.

So is there Pro- and Anti-drug studies that tell biased stories.
Just disreggard the findings that don't support your agenda.

I haven't tried anything more hardcore than alchohol and nicotine, looking into pot and some other "natural" things.

But PLEASE provide links to your studies that you refference!
Even links to wikipedia will get you far.
I want news articles and scientific articles and papers form trusted and established sources!

But everyone knows, arguing on the internet is like competing in the para-olympics, even if you "win" you are still retarded.

And with this gem of knowledge I end my post.
(I fucking hate flame wars and arguments based on preferences)

Edit: forgot the prices topic (gota stay on topic eh?)

It is usually from 10 to 20 for a pill here, or so have I heard.
And the shit is more usually meth than mdma. Well everything here is shit, so thats no suprice.
I'd rather synth my own shit than buy it around here. put 1k on labglass and make atleast 30g pure MDMA a day for a week and you are covered.
(I'd like to have a thread about drug synths and synths for precussors.)

[Th0r]

Princess, you sound very immature (hence you dating an older guy to compensate for that,
oldest story in the book, hun) so why don't you keep your data-poisoning out of this thread?



She hasn't posted here for well over a year.

Necromancy Eh?

[Antagonist]

Necromancy Eh?

Hey, gotta start practicin' somewhere...my bad lol

[.VX]

Closer to Mebourne X is about ~$15-25 a pill. I think it's cheaper around my area, but I wouldn't buy drugs here. Never know what you might get, there's a lot of fucked up people here.

[Th0r]

Closer to Mebourne X is about ~$15-25 a pill. I think it's cheaper around my area, but I wouldn't buy drugs here. Never know what you might get, there's a lot of fucked up people here.

Quite. X seems to be the drug which everyone gets ripped off on.

Last year a friend of mine took X Scamming to the Xtreme [Geddit?] and sold a kid six Dog Tranquiliser Tablets at school... For ?2.50...

I seriously hope that kid wasn't expecting anything, but then again to be that stupid...

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

VX wat you know as X is probably Pingers, Which is a mix of stimulants and RC's.

X to me is E which is Ecstasythus being MDMA, all "loved" up.
Not twitchy as all fuck.

[.VX]

Quite. X seems to be the drug which everyone gets ripped off on.


I'm wouldn't be as worried about being ripped off as I would about it having rat poison or some shit like that in it. Seriously, there are some really fucked up guys around here. I wouldn't buy anything harder than weed.

@Nox,
Probably, I've never tried anything like that before, so I wouldn't really know.

[Th0r]

I've never heard of Rat Poison in Ecstacy before.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Urban myth IMO, why would a dealer sell a product that will kill his customers?

I dont touch it much at all. Do Amphets once in a while and have tried pingers twice to no effect.

1st was one pill a green palm and 2nd time was 2 pills pink playboy an green clover. Done shit except take away my headache on the first one and 2 gave me one an put me 2 sleep.
they were with 6 month brake in between.

Still gonna give them another chance when i go to a club next though. Think i need to find right enviro to get me in the mind frame.

[Th0r]

Urban myth IMO, why would a dealer sell a product that will kill his customers?


Realistically in the UK small doses of Rat Poison probably won't kill a Rat let alone an adult male or female. Although it do some damage.

Most people who cook MDMA and Meth sell it onto dealers because they lack the knowledge of how to sell it or it's easier for them and they can evade detection.

[.VX]

I'm not sure, but I still wouldn't buy anything from people around here.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Fair enough you know your area i suppose, just curious as to what part of melb/vic we talkin?

[.VX]

The bad part.

(I told you ages ago, look it up on Google.)

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Found it, Zone 1 or 2?

[.VX]

2.

Like I said, the bad part.

Let's stop dsicussing my location now.

[Acid44]

Its quite clear what happens to them. That makes them retards. They know "Hey, I am gunna try this and get addicted, my brain is going to deteriorate and I will loose everything to the drug" and they fucking do it anyway. and they keep doing it, and the fucking prophosy fulfulls itself.

AND THAT, my tweaker friends, is what makes them reatards. Not how they do it how how much they do it. They know what is going to fucking happen to them and they do it anyway.


And the ones who think it is cool to do it are just not even worth talking about. As they are nothing to anyone anymore.


Not too mention how unsafe that shit is.... I mean... Raves and exchanges and shit. *shakes head* If you are gunna be a damn e-tard then fucking do it where no one sees you fucking high/use and no one has to deal with your shit. Dont stroll downtown or to the mall or with your e-tarded buddies either. And also, do it fucking safely.

TWEAKERS!! There are places that know how addicted and retarded u are and will just make sure (for free in Canada I am not sure about USA) that you are o fucking k and give you some food or syringes or whatever you need to stay safe. DAMNIT USE THEM. no one wants to deal with your shit.

It is pretty sad that all this money goes into drug places and exchanges and no tweakers use em. Because they would much rather annoy their poor parents/clean friends or the staff at McDonalds. Go and use the drug exchanges. They can help you stay safe if you cant stay SMART.

+1 i agree with all of above said statement...

[.VX]

I don't think whether people decide to fuck up their lives has anything to do with others. So they should stop being so self-righteous and start focusing on their own lives. X is a wonderful thing, (I haven't tried it, and don't plan on it for a while) it gives the people with self control an amazing experience and ruins the lives of idiots. It's just darwinism in action.

[Th0r]

Actual MDMA is £35-£40 on the gram around here.

It is fucking incredible.

[meth.lab]

you fucking tools their is NO rat poison in pills or MDMA, no cook in their right mind would do that. Scum heroin dealers will cut their shit with Fentanyle which will kill you in the micrograms but MDMA cooks are like true artists.

If you ever knew what skill dutch cooks/pressers can achieve then your missing out, it's a fine art.

ANYWAY you want prices Dutch Export Quality 11,000 euro per key under 50 units, 8,500 euro per key for 50 units, $6,000 euro per key for 120+ unit's.

These are super intelligent people and highly organized crime syndicates that run underground superlabs pumping out this shit in the tons.