Australians are poorly educated?

[duiker]

I have been informed by an Irish ex-patriot that Australia's education levels are far below the rest of the world and as a result, we're basically being bought out by Japan and the US.
He said something to the effect that Australian high-school level work is taught in primary schools elsewhere.
Are we dumb by international standards?

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

i dont agree i think we have a good education, its just that we are to laid back to care to use it .

[INCH06]

Steve Irwim backs up that claim. :loser:

Serious note though, it fucks me off when people judge a whole nation. An African could meet me tommorow and be smarter etc, it doesn't mean African cunts are smarter than English cunts. :aargh4:

[DoctaD]

Dude, most people could meet you tommorow and be smarter :wink:

[Armalite]

I dunno. The US actually has appallingly low academic standards, especially in science. I suppose it depends on how you are measuring things. Test scores, academic achievments and advances, funding levels, there are so many criteria to look at.

[Esophagus]

I figured this was kind of worth a bump. Education standards, how are they?

Personally I think education has become more and more liberal over the years. At first education wasn't required because people were needed on the work force at a young age. Then the youth deserved a fair chance so we were forced into education. Then forcing education was bad so we were allowed to drop out. Then children thought courses were pointless so english and social weren't requirements, just science and math. Then science and math were no longer necessary, you only needed social and english. At least that seems to be how thing went here in Canada. It's kind of bullshit. I mean, yes, we have a great education system, but I say it should slightly more rigid. Certainly we have higher standards than the americans though. I would have to say that, in my opinion, the Americans have the worst education system of a highly developed nation.

[Eulux]

true and false. it's not necessarily the system that is at fault, rather everything else. we seem to think that having as many lawyers as possible is a good thing. I'd say that the system is fine, just not enough funding...though with people continuing to fuck with it, I'd say it's going down the shitter. look at american education as a starving child who otherwise is healthy, and the doctors treating it for everything else. standardized testing is now needed...no, we need more classrooms with less students...no, how about more peer programs...or free breakfast for the poorer students...

how about just paying teachers a little more to attract a higher caliber of instructors? for god's sake, do we really need every single fuckin sport on the planet? I played football and enjoyed it, but shit...cut the spending a little. we actually got a new stadium before we got new classrooms. and even then, the first classroom we got was a new gym...cause of title 9. rather than share the gym, they built another one for the women...just to please the feminists. I hope they are truly happy with their choice...those funds could have easily went to a raise in salary...

these problems are minor ones that occurred at my small-ass rural high school. however, our school did not have but one computer room, our library carried a select few books, and was roughly the size of a large school room. inner city schools are worse.

it's definitely not a problem with the system...to borrow from MLK...we suffer from a kind of poverty of the spirit...and culture.

proof that the system works: look at the well funded schools. they rank not only nationally, but world wide in turnout ratings, and success...I forgot the statistic, but america turns out the fewest amount of scientists, but the vast majority come from those schools. I know of only one from our school that went down that road...and he wasn't even incredibly intelligent. it's just that he cared. the problem also lies with the students themselves. they watch these moronic tv shows that tell them they have to have an afterschool life that involves so much "drama" and idiocy...on a side note, all unionized actors receive $716 a day. many actors and athletes make millions...lawyers the same. we need more than a new system. we need a new outlook on things. that's all it boils down to.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Another thing on funding the Australian govt. is appalling on the education budget. There is alot of private schools who get more funding than allot of public schools.

The private schools charge a fair bit to enroll in the school. In my town we have 2 primary public schools and a private primary. The private school charges aroung $3000 a year where the other 2 charge practically nothing and the highschool is like $100-$150 a year a child. As you can see there is a huge differnce in fees and the $3000+ after supplies and an teacher wages is still a fair damn bit.

Amazing enough after all the Private sections profits they still get a huge amount of funding.
To teach in a private school you do not have to have any Department of Education qualifications, where as in a public school you have to be up to date with your qualifications.

Alas my father is a teacher in a public high school and for the job teachers do(they train everyone you see basically) they do not receive enough i feel. a fair few of "Teachers" in the private sector also earn allot more than Teachers in the city. Aswell the classes need to have less students so teachers can focus on you as a individual as compared to a class!
That is what i believe.

[Eulux]

vouchers are indeed a horrid idea...magnet schools...private...don't like any of them. it just perpetuates the situation...

[booga1134]

I went to school in South Carolina and I am definitely poorly educated. We used to go shoot basketball during math class because the teacher liked to get his exercise in the morning before it got too hot, thats why I STILL count on my fingers. Education matters but in the US, its not really what you know, its WHO you know and that counts 2 fold here in South Crack. You can have 10 fucking degrees and not know the right people and be flippin burgers.

[Esophagus]

I went to school in South Carolina and I am definitely poorly educated. We used to go shoot basketball during math class because the teacher liked to get his exercise in the morning before it got too hot, thats why I STILL count on my fingers. Education matters but in the US, its not really what you know, its WHO you know and that counts 2 fold here in South Crack. You can have 10 fucking degrees and not know the right people and be flippin burgers.
I have no definitive proof, but I'm 99.999% sure my grade eight math teacher was a stoner. He played solitaire and looked on the internet all day, and anytime anyone got near his screen he'd pull up a blank document and start typing things to look like he had something to do. That's not why I say that though, thats just boredom. He also had a phonebook in his desk that he would read through, front to back, and laugh at. And one day, in the middle of writing notes on the board, he said "I have to go somewhere. Be right back." And walked out. Ten or twenty minutes later when he wasn't back, I decided to ditch. Halfway out of the school I found him walking in circles in the field.

[booga1134]

I have no definitive proof, but I'm 99.999% sure my grade eight math teacher was a stoner.. My 8th grade science teacher was a stoner, he drove a VW van , had long hair, wore sandals and play frisbee. We watched a lot of movies in that class.