Salvia Divinorum

[johness16]

Can someone tell me about this stuff and where to get it in the chicago area perferrably the O'hare area? Thanks J16

[SayItAintSo014]

I've been told it's legal in the U.S., but I couldn't tell you for sure.

So I'd try a "Smoke" shop. You know, the general paraphernalia store in your area. The one in my city is so obviously where all the druggies go, because it's called Twenty Past Four.

[DoctaD]

http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/

http://www.sagewisdom.org/

An example of how easy it is for me to get salvia (http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/online_headshop/productCategory.cfm?iProductCategoryID=89)

Although I knew all this off the top of my head, it took me seconds in google to find the specific links.

Be careful with this drug.

[SayItAintSo014]

I'm doing it this Friday. Hopefully I can make some good memories with friends.

[Stone]

I know some mild drug users who thought it was great fun but another of my friends who is a pretty heavy user of really hard drugs had such a bad trip he hates it.

[S25]

I know nothing of drugs but make sure you use a trip sitter.

[ComfortablyNumb]

I wouldn't call salvia good or bad, just really really fuckin weird. And ya, make sure to use a sitter, one of my friends (karma) did it and he went kinda crazy for llike 5 minutes, he jumped up real fast on the couch and started fiddling with his fingers on the stereo, then he sat back down and hugged the trash can and said he was stuck to it. He didn't remember any of this 5 mnutes later.

[Seol]

That stuff seems really weird.

Think I'll just stick to the grass lol.

[AnotherDamnNewbie]

I would try to warn you how powerful it is, but there are simply not enough superlatives in the english language for it. I wrote a story about my first experience with the substance. WARNING; FULL TRIP REPORT INCOMING!

During my years as a teenage psychonaut, I always aspired to a higher ideal (no pun intended) than simply, ?seeing stuff? or, ?getting messed up.? I firmly believed that one could achieve greater insight to the soul through the use of psychedelics. I?ll leave the debate of whether such self-research is feasible for another time, but it does segue nicely into what this paper is about; fear. While the vast majority of my experiences have been very positive, there were a few times that taught me a lesson or two, and learning can be quite painful at times. Every tripper can point to that one time where they pushed it too far, they didn?t dose right or chose a bad setting, and so can I. I?ve had my share of difficult experiences with all manner of psychedelic substances, but I?ve really had my ass kicked only once. I?ll never forget how she did it to me. That misleading bitch queen who rammed me through the rabbit hole, and beat me with a rolled up newspaper when I came out on the other end. She demands respect, or she takes it from your soul? her name is Sally.

Salvia Divinorum to be precise. A Mexican herb used by tribal shamans since time immemorial to part the curtain of time, and see the world beyond. I should note at this point that at no point in the following story is any law broken. Salvia is absolutely 100% completely legal, and can be purchased over the counter at many fine smoke shops, some of which are about a ten-minute walk from my dorm room door. Word on the street says that the DEA is considering placing Salvia on the Schedule I Controlled Substances List, but since the hazards are low, and knowledge of the plant scarce at best, all the DEA would be doing is giving it more publicity, hence their lack of action. Even so, the ignorance implicit in wanting to put this plant in the same category as marijuana and heroin is staggering, as you will see? Salvia cannot be categorized. It is unique.

It was about 9 o?clock PM at a friend?s house, and nerves were tense all around. Our group had gone in equally on purchasing one gram of Salvia extract, paying far too much for the quantity that we got. I had done as much research as could be done on the Salvia experience online over several months, the best trip setting, proper dosage, and smoking method. There wasn?t much to be learned in the realm of pharmacology, simply because nobody really knows how Salvinorin A?the psychoactive compound present in Salvia?affected the brain, merely that it did. In hindsight, I really should?ve taken that as an omen and walked away. We were four of us in that well appointed basement-turned-living room. Myself, Jack, Tyler and Brock?who was generously hosting us at his house?were all anxious to see what the tiny black flakes in the clear plastic package would do. We split the gram four ways, and as this whole thing was my idea?sorta?I started the rotation, packing the plant matter into Brock?s miniature water pipe, which was for tobacco use only! As recommended, I lit the bowl with a torch lighter since Salvia requires more heat to vaporize the important alkaloids within, and inhaled the smoke from the entire bowl in one lungful. I held it in for approximately thirty seconds, just as I was advised to do, and exhaled slowly. One of the last things I remember was Tyler remarking on how little smoke there was in my exhalation. I put the pipe down on the table, stood up, took two steps toward the couch, and immediately died right there.

There was no true transition point that I can remember. In one instant I was in Brock?s basement trying to get a seat, and the next instant I was dead. There was no fear right then really, just resignation. Damn, I thought, I?ll never get to see my friends again. Oh well. I felt my Concept of Self evaporating, my Ego dissolving. Everything that made up Joe Duffy sloughed off and flew away into the screaming chaos of all matter in the Universe. My physical body was gone beyond remembrance, and the thought that I might be in a psychadelic state never crossed my mind once. This was reality now, and I had to adapt to it as best as I could. Obviously, I thought, there was some place for me to go beyond where I was, and all I had to do was wait to get there. As the last of my Ego was ripped away by the irresistible force of the Universe, all that remained of my consciousness was a single particle. Actually, to call this particle ?consciousness? would be an overstatement. I existed only as pure energy, in a free state where I flitted from form to form, playing off other energy fields. I was water, I was in a rock, I was a plant. When existing as a barely measurable pulse of energy within an inanimate object, time flows in strange ways. As the plant, although I only lived a short time, I was in touch with a great deal of energy in proximity to me, so it seemed at the time to take much longer. As the rock however, it could have been two seconds or two million years in that form and I wouldn't have known the difference. I experienced life as a simple mammal like a mole or a cat, and derived pleasure from digging a hole in the earth or chasing a bird. But their Concepts of Self were ill defined, their memories vague, and soon I was dead again and cast out into free energy form. If I were capable of wonder at that point, I would?ve wondered if this cycle was ever going to end, if I was ever going to be a stable consciousness again. I may not have had a body, but what happened next inspired the kind of fear that drives men mad.

SLAM! I collided with a greater organism one more time. Like the other times, I was sucked in and had no choice in the matter, but unlike the other times, this was painful! I felt a sense of gravity that words fail to describe, almost like being sucked into a black hole, but much more tangible than that. Pain! I became a part of a mass of other particles, and as I settled into my place I could become aware of my, ?surroundings.? As more and more particles attached themselves to this mass, I became aware of their form. Snapshots of memory, a plane here, a house there, a tree jamming into my, ?back.? Pain! A massive ball composed of a mish mash of objects that my newly forming consciousness wanted to call, ?memories.? The mass resolved itself into a vast plane, as far across as I could sense, let alone see. And yet, there was no ?I? anymore. I had merged into a singular multitude. Pain! Each ?memory? was combining to form a Concept of Self, and with the increase in Self-awareness came a sense of the vast plane merely being a microscopic facet of a sphere. My awareness grew, and I soon realized what this sphere was: An eyeball. The speed and scale of growth increased exponentially after that. A face, another eye, lips, tongue, shoulders, chest, an arm, a body, another arm. More and more memory particles were attracted to this human body. The pain I felt began to recede as awareness transitioned from individual particle to singular multitude, but the sense of being crushed remained throughout. Finally, the entire body was complete, except for the empty hollow in the skull. Awareness shifted to this empty space, and brief silence followed. An explosion in my head then, with a blinding light and a soul-shaking blast enough to deafen the ears of God Himself, and my brain ?restarted.? I was back.

Correction: Almost back. My initial return was clouded by visions of my parents when I was a small child, and of my friend Paul in the orange sweatshirt he insisted on wearing all the time back then.

?Paul?? I croaked.

?Dude, Paul left like, three hours ago.? Tyler replied.

With Jack and Tyler supporting me, I made my way from the middle of the floor to the couch. I lay down, drank from a glass of ice water and tried to work through the persistent sensation of crushing gravity that was weighing down my body. It?s just temporary, I told myself. This will go away. This will go away! I felt as if I were becoming a part of the couch, merging with it and losing the form of my body. With a heroic effort I pulled myself away from it. I was amazed at how clearly the whole experience was in my mind. I could recall living through countless lifetimes as many forms of matter and life. When I regained control of my faculties shortly after, I asked Brock what happened. Apparently when I lost contact with the outside world, my legs gave out from under me and I fell on the floor face first. I twitched a little bit, and my friends helped me up. Shortly after, I came to. All in all, the experience that seemed to take a million lifetimes from my perspective only lasted about five minutes.

To put it lightly, the entire episode scared the piss out of me. Brock, Jack, and Tyler each had similarly intense escapades in the Salvia realm, although what happened to them is not my place to tell. And yet, after the fear had passed and we were able to view what happened, and put it in a context where we could apply it to our lives. I chose to interpret what I saw that day as a glimpse of what lies beyond death, a view of the raw energy that infuses our souls. And I?d rather embark on a journey of self-discovery with my friends rather than get trashed any day.


This is ego-death. If this doesn't sound like something you want to do, stay the hell away from Salvia. You'll just give the drug a bad name when you freak out and blame the plant rather than your recklessness.

Having said that, I love the stuff! Just not as something to do at a party.

[dylanrush08]

Edit:
Sorry dog.

[headcase]

Salvia is not for those inexperienced in psychedelica. Friends have described it as a dirty DMT bang. As bizarre as it is for me to say this, it pips LSD in my mind (although LSD is a psychedelic in a very different way). No one I know "enjoys" a salvia buzz. It is done simply for the experience. It will, in every sense of the word, "blow your mind". The experience above describes it well; loss of ego, loss of reality, the whole nine yards. I've heard of it being enjoyed in smaller doses, leaf rather then extract, but it's still not a drug to be played with. I would suggest, when you are completely confortable and experienced with psychedelics and prepared for one of the biggest, most confused mind-fucks you will ever experience, then go for it. I'll be something to look back on.

[brreitsma]

From what I heard the Il legislature just banned it in the state.

[headcase]

That's ok, I've got as much as I need.

[Esophagus]

Anyone know about its legality in Canada? My guess, if the states just madei t illegal, is that its illegal here to. I don't know if I'm quite ready for that complete trip yet, but I figure maybe a small dose to start. It sounds intense.

[headcase]

I remember I tried it, thinking it only last a few minutes anyway - even if it's difficult it'll be over in a second. I was, of course, vastly over-estimating my comprehension of "time" while on it. Be prepared to be gone for a few hours. Some people say it felt like days but they could be talking shit.

[Esophagus]

This thread is really building it up for me. I doubt I'll ever try it though. Probably a terrible idea, considering I've only ever smoked weed.

[headcase]

Nah, like I said, not your first psychedelic. If I could trust the sensibility of the general public I might suggest it was a way if jumping in at the deep end if you're sure you're ready, but some l337 13 year old will think he's da fuckin' bomb and check himself into a psych ward.

[Esophagus]

Understood. Like I said, I'm sure I'd start with small stuff, like some leafs or something, before actually trying it. It just seems like something I might want to sit around with a couple people, try, and never do again. Or maybe I would do it again, but like Newbie said though, definitely not a social drug.

[headcase]

I've actually never tried leaf, but some apparently it's managable, maybe enjoyable depending on the individual.

Most people try it like you said. Give it a go once just for the experience. And usually, they come out the other side swearing they are done with it forever. But it's funny, everyone I know (myself included) have to just try it once more to try get their head around it :). Then there are those times (as has happened with us), you're stuck waiting for something. Maybe for some pills to come through and someone whips out some salvia extract. Draw the short straw and you're our guinea pig for the next half hour. It makes for some funny fucking videos.

[Eulux]

Salvia is not for those inexperienced in psychedelica. Friends have described it as a dirty DMT bang. As bizarre as it is for me to say this, it pips LSD in my mind (although LSD is a psychedelic in a very different way). No one I know "enjoys" a salvia buzz.

hmmm...a topic which actually drove me back to this forum. a very good way to describe it...though I must say I used to enjoy salvia...

if this would be your first step into the trip realm, I'd recommend something like...shrooms first. or if you really want to baby step it, dxm (aka certain cough syrups...erowid has a dandy list of which products contain it, and which ones contain other ingredients that would not be fun)...but honestly, I'd start with my favorite/2nd favorite...special k, vitamin k, power k, ketamine. ahhh, the glory of the k-hole...but beware...it is addictive...and fun. a very bad combination...I've known a few people who had some rough experiences with power k, but...for me it's always been a pleasing drug.

lesse...then there's datura, which I would never recommend...lsd, another which rubs me the wrong way...it's nothing like the movies, btw....was a bit of a downer for me.

peyote...don't worry bout it, nothing too special.

after all of these, then go for salvia. if you dig, can handle it and such, then get an experienced friend, and go for the granddaddy....dmt...though I recommend you start to get an iron lung or two before you toke it...also, the pipe...get a tweaker to make you a special pipe...one that has a pit about two inches from the stem...dmt, when smoked, liquifies, and tastes just like you're inhaling burnt plastic...........nasty. but your guide, if he/she's a good one, will make you finish it....otherwise it's all for naught. but those're my opinions...

hmmm...wonder if the hive is still around...

[Esophagus]

Peyote is something I've wanted to try. Again, just for the experience. As for LSD, etc. I'm really not up for it. I'm generally against pills.... Couldn't tell you why. I can swallow them like nothing, just makes it seem like so much more than it is.

[Eulux]

to each their own, but...peyote is relatively hard to find, even for someone in texas...

[Esophagus]

Yeah thats the reason I havent tried it yet. Same with salvia. I'm a teenager who only (used to, dont at all anymore) smoke a little bit of pot, and used to get other people to get it for him. I have like zero connections.

[Stone]

Datura is by all accounts a poison and not a drug. From everything I've read and from the mouths of people I know who've taken it, stay well away from it.

[Esophagus]

Datura has long been used as a poison and hallucinogen. The dose-response curve is very steep, so people who consume datura can easily take a potentially fatal overdose, hence its use as a poison. In the 1990s and 2000s, the United States media contained stories of adolescents and young adults dying or becoming seriously ill from intentionally ingesting datura. Sounds like a good time. Blech.

[headcase]

Ketamine is unreal. Unfortunately, it's one of the few drugs that are pretty damn rare here, but that makes it all the more special.

They sell peyote in the local head shop, but in the form of the plant (who's name slips my mind this second) which you have to prepare yourself. I'm 0 for 2 so far, and that's ?60 down the throat in the form of useless brown gunk.

[Stone]

Which shop?

[headcase]

I'd rather keep that on the DL. Don't want any kids killing themselves and ruining it for the rest of us (ala magic mushrooms).

[ComfortablyNumb]

Do they sell the San Pedro cactus there? they sell those in some garden nurseries in CA, and IVe read that it contains many of the smae psychotropic ingredients as peyote, except its legal and grows much faster. Im not sure if it has mescaline though...

Edit- yaeh it does contain mescaline- here's mroe info on it. http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti.shtml

[Esophagus]

Oh man, its legal here. Perhaps I should try and get my hands on that.

[Stone]

The guy who killed himself on mushies was in his mid 30's. That one incident is what got mushies illegalised in Ireland. How many fucking people kill themselves in Ireland after alcohol each year? How many broken homes and physically abused people are there because of alcohol abuse? Alcohol is socially acceptable, mushies are not. That is why that fat cow made them illegal (headcase knows who I'm on about).

PM me the name of the shop mate?

[Eulux]

mescaline isn't all it's cracked up to be...honestly, I like shrooms more...but then again you might like the "uplift" that mescaline gives you.

as for ketamine, just befriend a vet...they usually have some they're willing to part with...

[headcase]

Synchronicity, but in a bad way. I happened to pick up a copy of the Sunday World today (that gaudy fucking tabloid - I feel dirty after reading it). About half way through, there was a large article preaching the dangers of salvia and BZP. I'd be centrist (if not conservative) on my views on drug laws, but steady on.

Oh yeah., and San Pedro, that's the one.

[Stone]

On legalisation, I believe that all drugs should be legalised and it should be a persons choice wether they want to take them or not.

[headcase]

That's putting a lot of faith in the common sense of the general public though. I make the same arguement about drugs as I do as guns. Look at the state of the coty centre on a Saturday night. Imagine giving these people Class A drugs. The vast majority of the public should never take drugs. They will be quite happy without them and probably more productive members of society. If they want to take the step, make the effort, then it's all at their doorstep. It's the illegality that keeps it out of sight and subtle.

[SayItAintSo014]

Forgot to update on this post, but I tried Salvia a while back and it sucked ass. Perhaps it just wasn't very top-of-the-line, but it barely even got me high.

[headcase]

In that case it didn't work. Get some extract, a pipe and a jet-lighter. Salvia is DMT-esque in it's intensity.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

A pipe? I have been told that it works better through a bong and a turbo lighter.

[headcase]

Turbo lighter is the same thing as a jet lighter. A bong is basically just a big pipe, and I'd say the pipe works better if you can handle the smoke (which is a little harsh).

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Yer i know about turbo an jet lighter. Thats it, i was told through a bong is less harsh. Bongs are a Water Pipe which in turn i guess it is like a pipe but way different.

[headcase]

The thing is I'm not sure what effect the larger bong and water might have on the Salvia smoke. So many people complain that it doesn't work that I don't want to risk anything. I've seen it work a few times and each time it was with a jet lighter and a pipe. The first lungful was held for 30 seconds and the second lungful was held for as long as possible. Then Bang! Zoom! Straight to the Moon!

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Just that all the videos i have seen on you-tube etc they use a bong. It is illegal over here so i don't really know anything about it and never will need to unless i go over seas. which is hard when u get $500-700 a week minus living expenses and drugs.

[osha7677]

Salvia is CRAZY. Remember those "this is your brain on drugs" ads? Yeah.

Small doses feel sort of like a medium level LSD trip, except there is a very pronounced physical feeling of being "pulled". Not a pleasent feeling, but not painful or anything.

High doses.... hehe. You basicly leave this demention and go to salvialand. Salvialand is insane for lack of a better term. I should also mention that there is a "breakthrough" point with this drug, meaning that there really isn't a "medium" dose. You either experience the low does effects, or you lose your mind for a bit... depending on amount you injest.

Bottom line, salvia is hardcore. Just because it is legal in most states people get the impression that it is some sort of cheap buzz. The only reason it is still legal most places is that government is slow to make laws, and because the drug has no addictive qualitys it is not given emergency scheduling status.

Personally, I like salvia. It got me to a place I never could quite reach with other psycodelics. Be warned however, that place is not for everyone.

PS: If you really want to see the other side, take a healthy dose of mushrooms, wait for the peak, then a big rip of salvia extract. Make sure you have health insurance and several trip sitters for that one.

[Eulux]

The only reason it is still legal most places is that government is slow to make laws, and because the drug has no addictive qualitys it is not given emergency scheduling status.

Personally, I like salvia. It got me to a place I never could quite reach with other psycodelics. Be warned however, that place is not for everyone.


hmmm...they were quick to ban dmt...and speaking of dmt, if you say salvia is the only psychedelic that has truly taken you away, you haven't tried dmt...

[osha7677]

True. I have never tried DMT. I hear it is pretty intense.

I think one of the major factors behind the slow ban is that for most people the effects are so startling and alien they never pick it up again.

This in a way throws it into a special catagory along with things like Datura, freon, and other poisions that give a high of sorts. These things are not banned to possess, but illegal to use to get high. The "high" from these sort of things is so twisted that the potental for abuse is small (certain inhalents being the exception... the reason for their legal statis is obvious). Interesting to note is that although Salvia may get lumped into this sort of legal statis, the active chemical does not have toxcisity in humans.

I think tennassee's ban is only against the use of the substance. You can grow the plant, just not smoke it. I may be wrong here regarding the state or the exact legal wording.

At any rate, I would not be surprised if it remained legal to possess in some states. Of course, a few more tragitys blamed on the plant and it may get banned on a federal level.

[ShadowMaster]

Effective Jan 1, 2008, Salvia divinorum (including any plant part, extraction, or preperation) is included in the Illinois Controlled Substances Act list of Schedule I substances, making it illegal to possess or sell.

Dammit!!! I still have an ounce of leaf in my bedroom. I honestly didn't feel anything the only time I tried to smoke it. Maybe I waited to long after I ordered it (a year or so). Does anyone know if the Salvinorin A gets weaker over time?

[REL0AD]

Dried leaves can remain potent for months even years if stored in a glass jar away from light.

[ShadowMaster]

How about stored in a plastic bag (ziplockish type) on my dresser (no direct sunlight)

[Ginghugaganningap]

Salvia what a drug! First time i took it, I felt electricity going through my teeth, Peoples heads looked like the fucking sun out of the teletubbies, Objects weren't singular everything was melded to each other in some way. All i could do was rub my face into a carpet for the whole period

One of my friends taught his arm was a ferris wheel, While the other couldn't make sentences but a hell of a lot of whooshing noises while touching his eyes then moving his arms in circular motions.

Wouldn't tell anyone not to try this while they have a sitter but dont expect a good trip. It is terrifying and intense. You will fucking hate this drug afterward but a day, a week looking back you will love it till your next time

[Eulux]

for some odd reason, everyone at my club is huge into salvia...also lsd is starting to make a major comeback...if you were to look for it a few months ago, you couldn't find the shit. now you find the sweet-tarts everywhere...

if there's people in the states on this board who haven't tried salvia, I'd go for it. it's current popularity has to have some politicians scratching their heads...try it while it's still legal.

[headcase]

[color=black]it's current popularity has to have some politicians scratching their heads...try it while it's still legal.

It's not just the politicians are scratching their heads.

also lsd is starting to make a major comeback...if you were to look for it a few months ago, you couldn't find the shit. now you find the sweet-tarts everywhere...

Stop teasing me.