I've never done drugs.

[blaksun]

But I really want to do something psychotropic. LSD or 'shrooms or salvia, I don't care.

The problem is,
I've never done drugs! I've never done anything. Not even mary jane, which is like, the most basic drug ever.

So I don't know how to buy them, or who to buy them from. I don't know how much it'll cost. I don't know how to take it. I don't know how to recognize if it's fake or not.

So please, walk me through. I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, which is supposedly Drug Central.
Should I just walk up to some nigga on a street corner and say "yo, I be needin' some acid."

If and when I do purchase DRUGS, where do you suggest I take them?

etc etc.

Of course, assuming this whole thread wasn't an elaborate lie which it is kekeke.
:shifty: it's not but you know.

v.v

[THErAPIST]

x, shooms at times, and pot are pretty common and easy to get there from what ive heard. pot is supposedly extremely easy to get there.

pills are another thing that's easy to get, but its easy to get those anywhere.

x, do NOT do that unless yorue with someone else who has done it before/ is doing it with you. things go a lot smoother

shrooms. dont eat many at all your first time. a scale would be good. 3 grams would be a good starting dosage i believe

pot.. you take a hit, then wait for a few seconds to see how it kicks you. if you want more you take another hit. unless youve been smoking for a while thats probably the better way to do it. after a while you can judge and then just take a few hits before it really kicks in because you'll know how it's going to effect you.

pills... theyre picky. 1 is a starting dosage to rey it out. the next day or a couple days later maybe 1.5 or 2 if you're not scared.

shrooms really are fun. but you need to start small or else you'll eat way too many, not be ready for it, and they you'll flip the fuck out cause you can't tell whats real and what's not (that's an absolute worst case scenario though)

as for who you should ask.... you have any friends that do anything? ask them if they know anyone. other than that, another rortian would have to say because im over 1000 miles away from there. i wouldnt really know who to ask

[blaksun]

No, I don't have any friends who do drugs. They're all faggots that keep their nose clean.


Okay, and about these
pills.
What are they. Advil? Vitamin pills? Asprin? Cyanide?
I am obviously inexperienced in the whole drug thing. I don't know all the slang. X I do know, but pills.
lmao pills.

v.v

[THErAPIST]

first off, how old are you? its actually a relevant question. it's gonna be harder to get stuff if youre younger.

pills... pain killers, muscle relaxors

pain killers in high dose make you feel kind of dreamy, relaxed, kind of a floaty feeling all over, in your head mainly.

muscle relaxors do just what the name implies. they make you feel really relaxed, and you just generally feel good. both muscle relaxors and pain killers at the same time make you lay or sit there unmoving for quite a while, and youre feeling good enough to not want to move. you're pretty content sitting there watching tv even if it's somehting dumb. if you walk around you feel like youre floating on the ground

dosage depends on the milligram level, the dosages im posting here can be different

valluim- pain killer. 2 is usual dosage
xannex- pain killer i believe. same dosage as above
zbar- really damn strong pain killer. looks like a ladder with 3 or 4 sections in it. one will make you lie down and not move (depending on MG amount)
hydrocodone- generic vallium
darvocet- pain killer. 2 pills usual
propoxy n- genetic darvocet

i don't know the names of any muscle relaxors. i just get em from people i know without asking what they are. its just a "here take one of these, they're muscle relaxors. 2 will do ya good" "hey alright, thanks" kinda thing.

[gbu-36]

I wouldnt Advise tripping at all without at least someone who knows what they are doing around. But Im guessing ya will anyways, So Id advise you read up on erowid and lycaeum on what the dosages are as well as the effects.
Then Remember youll want a safe place to do whatever the drug is that you bought. Id stay away from MDMA/MDA (X, Ectasy (sp Im sure)) and Acid untill your more familier with the sensation of being in an altered state. Remember that you are more emotionally impressionable, and for the first couple times avoid people.

No for the harder part, Obtaining them. Well heres one of the issues, Depending on your age/appearance people may or may not take you seriously. Your best bet is to make friends/associate with at least one kid who does do the bad stuff and use that person as your "Hook Up". Now I dont know how things are up there in the canada, but down here your best bet to "score" some dope is knowing someone, walking up to someone and asking for a "ball" of "crank" here is likely to cause problems.


Anyways, it all comes down to Know yourself, Know Your Dealer, and Know your drug or The KKK rule (Haha, I made a funny )

BTW Pills can range from Pharmacuetical Painkillerstuff like Oxycontin, Vicodin, Marinol, Darvoset to Empathogens like MDMA

[DoctaD]

If you're still at school, then getting weed should not be a challenge... any school I know of has plenty of kids who will happily sell you weed or buy it for you, so long as they are benefiting from it in some way. Also, your location gives you the upper hand over all the rest of us, because of the laws concerning the legality of weed in Ontario.

If all your friends "keep their noses clean" of illegal substances, then I suggest you forget about the majority of drugs... definitely MDMA/speed and 'cid/shrooms.

Pharmaceuticals are an idea, just dont take too much and try not to fall asleep... that's a waste.

[C.R. Ripshit]

Dude do DXM! Just get some cough suppresent pills and eat a whole bottle. Smeh, I can't explain it.

If you want info on all the drugs you ever want to know about go here.
www.erowid.org

[Serix]

Definitly use Erowid to investigate and study drugs. That's where you'll find any information you could ever need, probably.

However, if this is going to be your first time trying any drug, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT do DXM. DXM is NOT something to try to handle on your first time.

If I were you, I'd probably start by trying ganja, just to get the feel of it, and if you want to do something hallucinagenic, take shrooms. It's natural, you don't have to worry about ODing, and odds are you'll have a lot of fun and be able to control yourself, for the most part.

[DoctaD]

I concur, stay the fuck away from DXM until you know what you're doing... it's not a "party drug" or anything you're gonna be doing to cheer yourself up.

[AnotherDamnNewbie]

Ecstacy is fantastic if you can get a good price for it (I hear about $20 CAD a pill is about average on the street?) especially for your first time doing anything. You feel really happy and totally at peace for 4-6 hours, then a little out of it for the next day. It's the PERFECT weekend party drug. But there are risks. In my part of the world (or any part for that matter) the purity of the rolls (pills) is a serious issue. I have friends who went in on some rolls called Bacardis. Turns out, they were about 10% MDMA (fancy sciency name for E) and about 90% Crystal Methamphetamine. MUCH different high than they expected. My mother (of all people) has a saying for things like that...

"Everytime you ingest a pill that you don't know for SURE what it does, you take a risk. You have to learn how to accept and face the consequences for taking that risk, or perhaps finding an unexpected reward. It's just the way the drug world operates."

The Bacardi story is the exception rather than the rule. Odds are (esp. in Canada) that if you buy E, then you'll get a pure roll and have a kickass time. Just saying that you should be aware that you are taking a leap of faith, and you should know what you're doing to yourself. Oh, and if you do take E, try to be with somebody. Not because you'll have a bad time (it's almost impossible for most people to have a bad time on good E) but because you'll totally just want to walk up to everyone and connect with them in ways you didn't know were possible. It's all part of the experience.
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Mushrooms are my favorite. Ever. Mind, I haven't tried mescaline yet, and LSD only one time which I prefer not to speak of (I think it wasn't even acid anyway, didn't last long enough.) Shrooms give you a nice, peaceful, calm, but KICKASS trip. There's a saying that my friend Matt, from the Rebirth thread had; he said that his mind still registered everything, but it was significantly cooler than normal. "There's the TV... but cool! There's ADN... but cool!" At least until the actual trip kicks in anyway.

The peak of a powerful mushroom trip is an experience with an intensity on a par with losing your virginity (IMHO). The first time I tripped it was at my house with several friends. We went out back and I lay on the ground in a field and stared at the night sky. The stars were laced with bright blue streamers, and they pulled my mind out from my body. I rose up, and in a way looked down at the world, realizing for the first time how TRULY SMALL it was. I had a since of persepective for the first time in my life. The fact that I thought I had one before spoke volumes about both my arrogance and my ignorance. I saw the worlds larger than ours, and the worlds smaller than ours. We are in a state of constant metaphysical transition, and the only reason we don't know is because we're alive for such a short period of time we don't notice it. And that's okay. It doesn't matter what happens in this life, becuase we all have to leave it sometime, and when we do we realize that there's something beyond it. Something beyond all the corruption, all the lies, all the people refusing to get along day after day. But we can all relax. It's all going to be okay.

Yeah, they're like THAT.

A final word about shrooms that many people seem to forget: Ecstacy is a "happy pill." It's chemically designed to make you feel happy. Opiates and painkillers are designed to make you feel completely relaxed and all-around gooooooooood. But psychadelics are different. LSD, mescaline, shrooms, all of them work by the same mechanism. Their molecules fix themselves onto the seratonin receptors in your cortex, and change how your brain reacts to anything that stimulates it. They don't do anything that your brain wasn't competely capable of before, its just that over time your brain knew to filter that constant barrage of sensory stimuli out, so you could function day-to-day. Psychadelics aren't supposed to make you feel "good" or "bad". They're just a chemical doorway to a different state of mind. What happens when you're in that state of mind is totally up to you.

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Ganja; pretty self explanatory. MJ is one of those drugs that is so widespread it has its own lifestyle and subculture. Obviously just because you take one toke doesn't mean that you have to become a slacker stoner hippie fiend, but it does mean that it is a very simple thing that has a suprisingly intricate group of people around it.

http://www.smokingwithstyle.com/contents.htm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That link will tell you everything good that people on these boards will tell you, but you'll find it out for yourself. Bookmark it, and read it on your own time. Every page is great info, and really well written. It's what I learned from too, so you know it's good shit. :lol: :lol: :wink: :wink:
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A word about alcohol: Don't. That isn't to say that I don't like alcohol. I love the stuff. But really, you shouldn't be in a rush to try it. It's a hard drug, you throw up when you have too much, it tastes like a sack of assholes the first few times you drink it, and in the long run it kills more people than heroin, coke, and crystal meth COMBINED. And don't think I'm overreacting about this. Show me someone on these boards who calls me a pussy over my "official" stance on booze, and I'll show you someone whose never had to drag a passed out, vomit-covered relative up two flights of steps when they were 13 years old. Booze is fun, but there's a time and a place for everything, and it's called college. Don't be in a rush to take your first drink.

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Those are the good ones to start with IMO. As for getting them, it's really much simpler than it's made out to be by some people. You know that kid in your school who everyone knows he does a shitload of drugs, but you don't really talk to him that often? Well now is the perfect time to sharpen up those people skills kiddo! Get to talking, and mention that you want to try E/weed/shrooms/whatever, and you're looking for a hook for it. If he/she is a halfway decent human being, he'll probably get a kick out of supplying you your first time, and figure out a way to get you something. If he/she isn't a halfway decent human being... well, to hell with him/her. They would probably screw you over anyway.

PROTIP: As someone who connects people with dealers on a fairly regular basis, it's a HUGE pet peeve of mine when someone betrays a lack of confidence. Examples follow...

CORRECT: "Hey ADN, do you know if anyone around here has any weed?"

INCORRECT: "Uhhhmmm... yo' Newbie... uhh... does your friend--uhhh...well its like--I mean--I'm looking...for...some...weed...?

Yes, drugs are illegal. Yes you can get busted buying them. So yes, it makes sense to use common sense and be discreet. Everyone knows this. But just because you see junkies on TV whispering to their dealers in darkened alleys doesn't mean the whole drug world operates like that. Obviously don't broadcast what you're doing to the outside world, but have some pride dammit. You want to buy some drugs! You would like to consume some illegal drugs! Just come out and say it and quit tiptoeing through the nonexistent bushes and come out and just say what drug you would like to buy and how much instead of hemming and hawing like some shut-in dorky Napoleon Dynamite wanna-be!!!

*ahem* :oops: :oops: :oops:

Sorry blaksun, that last bit was more for my friends than it was for you. Anyway, that's my take on your best options. Of course, if you really wanna plunge in, PM me about hotrailing some percocet lines sometime! (j/k).

EDIT: Oh, and not to be a dittohead or anything, but you should look up your chosen substance on Erowid EVERY TIME YOU TRY IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. And DoctaD is right, stay the fuck away from cough syrup. Few things in this world are more ghetto than a robo-trip.

[~D-Boy~]

I've been smokin almost 3 years now, and for a long time i didnt want anything else, Till i tried X on june 26th last year, Opened my mind basiclaly, Now i have Tried Almost everything, coke all types of pharms, aint done shrooms"YET" and i've even done ketamine Which i'm really proud of. the dude i have been doin most of my sessions with is a hardcore Drug user, Not like he's addicted but We really enjoy our drug taking, He Used DXM in a weekend session when i was out of the City, I was in Dublin with the Girlfriend, It was the Worst few days of my life, He was so Fucked up, and he can handle his Drugs. But he was out of it man, Seriously if you wanna talk about it more, I think i'm like the "YOUNGEST" Drug user here being so i've only been doin them a year, I could talk to you and help you out a bit.


Kelly

[AnotherDamnNewbie]

This time last year I was a HARDCORE straight-edger. I still have very vivid memories of what its like to absolutely loathe drugs and all that they stand for. Y'hear that D-Boy?!?! I'm n00bier! n00bier than thou!!!

As for age, not knowing how old you are (and not particularly caring either) I don't know about young, but isn't this something where more age would be nice? Experience and all that?

[~D-Boy~]

I'm 21, So you've only been takin drugs under a year, sometimes Age can be better but i think if your a "NEW DRUG USER" aswell you can communicate with the person easier, But Lets face it ADN, You do know a helluva lot more about drugs than i do. To be honest, There's quite a few of us here who know a bit about Drugs in one way or the other so i dont think he'll be missin out on any expierence,


Kelly

[Stone]

I remember when ADN was a total straight-edge back on the wierdpier days... lol, big change! Also, my first time taking X was with Bacardi's, and fucking hell it was cool! Probably a different batch of Bacardi's though 'cos I've taken alot of pills and they were up there with chunky mitsi's...

[blaksun]

Isn't Bacardi an alcohol.

What the fuck.

v.v

[Stone]

Pills have an imprint on them, usually taking on some sort of corporate logo. The main ones here are [off the top of my head] are usually Red Bull, Mitsibishi and Guinness.

[Serix]

Huh, I usually don't see pills around these parts with corporate logos. People around here just have random pictures, like dollar signs, a stick figure guy, etc.

Also, while ecstacy is something you'd MIGHT be able to handle, I wouldn't recommend that for your first-time experience, either. Ecstacy is quite safe if you make sure to keep yourself hydrated and don't over-exert yourself, however, since you're not used to an alternative state of mind, it might be difficult to keep yourself under control from certain urges that might arise during it. Not to mention the comedown can be quite difficult to deal with if you don't have some ganja to soften the blow.

[THErAPIST]

its usually misunderstood. many people think that you have to drink water if youre on x... x causes your body to retain water. there have been cases where people die because they have too MUCH water in them because they keep drinking it because people tell them that they need to... you drink like you would any other time... if youre thirsty... if youre not sweating your ass off then it's not usually a good idea to go around drinking a lake's worth of water because you dont process it and pee it out as quickly as you usually would...

All that is from 3 different books from barnes and noble that i read, and a show on the discovery health channel... I saw the show, didnt believe it, and then went and read up on it at barnes and noble.

Also, there was a batch of mitsubishi pills here about 2 years ago that were killing people. there were multiple articles in the news paper about ravers being hospitalized, and some dying from an ecstacy pill that had a mitsubishi logo imprinted in it.

[Stone]

When people say that X is a safe drug, it's not true. MDMA is a safe drug, but sometimes pills are not made up of MDMA. Sometimes it's MDA and PMA which are different. Sometimes, it might also be mostly amphetimine. Be carefull if it's your first time, and only take a brand that is recommended by somebody you know in your area that has taken that particular brand. There are many manfacturers who may use the same logo, but thier pills have different compositions.

I think X would be a great idea for you to try, but read up on it first. In my opinion though, you'd be better off smoking some d00b first to get used to it, 'cos when you're buzzin you're better off having a few smokes. Smoking mellows it and makes it more enjoyable.

[~D-Boy~]

Huh, I usually don't see pills around these parts with corporate logos. People around here just have random pictures, like dollar signs, a stick figure guy, etc.

Also, while ecstacy is something you'd MIGHT be able to handle, I wouldn't recommend that for your first-time experience, either. Ecstacy is quite safe if you make sure to keep yourself hydrated and don't over-exert yourself, however, since you're not used to an alternative state of mind, it might be difficult to keep yourself under control from certain urges that might arise during it. Not to mention the comedown can be quite difficult to deal with if you don't have some ganja to soften the blow.

Gotta have the MARY JANE for the comedown, But X was the 1st proper drug i took, I was smokin for ages, If you can find the right company, I'd say go for it. again, There's enough of us here to help ya out!!

[duiker]

Cyanide is a poison. Is there another drug that's nicknamed 'cyanide'?

[Stone]

Not according to erowid there isn't anyway, and their word is as good as anybody's...

[Serix]

Yeah, you're right, sometimes people sell pills as E that aren't really MDMA. Forgive me, I'm so used to my reliable source of pure MDMA, that I don't really think about these things anymore.

And yes, drinking too much water can 'cause you to die as well. That's why I said keep yourself hydrated, not drown yourself.

If you're going to use E for your first drug, make sure you find yourself someone who has tried it, that YOU trust, and ask them for a reliable source. If they say that they have a source, but aren't sure of his/her reliability, DO NOT accept it. Make sure the person you are getting it from has a trustworthy reputation. (This is basically what Stone said, in different words. Just repeating the warning to get the message through. =P )

[phoenix]

Going by experience alone I would advise, if you decide to try X first, that you only do half of any said pill unless you are in a completely comfortable environment and/or with company you've known and trusted for a very long time and are confident in the ingredients of said pill.

I ate a very strong pill for my first roll and sure it was a wonderful experience coming up however things turned grim once I got separated from my group of mates. Panic turned to fear and fear turned to confusion (Yoda was a pill popper from way back). It was Schoolies Week so I was in the middle of 10 000 odd drunken teens at the time so my example won't be entirely relevant to you however the principal still applies.

Also basic research goes a long way. Pill reports are invaluable as far as I'm concerned when it comes to identifying the various chemical makeups of many "Ecstasy" pills. I don't think pillreports.com is currently being updated but bluelight.nu might have links to other sites.

As far as MJ is concerned I would think avoiding "strong" doses would be a wise start. "Bud" is typically enriched with more THC than "leaf" MJ from the quick search of Erowid I just did but it's entirely up to you. Other more experienced pot users may say otherwise but I'm considering your in-experience with drug use first.

[RELOAD]

If you're under 18 it's easier to get drugs than it is is alcohol.

That's up here anyways, dunno about anywhere else.

[Tarnak]

I wanna see some evidence about the dying from too much water thing.

When people say that X is a safe drug, it's not true. MDMA is a safe drug, but sometimes pills are not made up of MDMA. Sometimes it's MDA and PMA which are different. Sometimes, it might also be mostly amphetimine. Be carefull if it's your first time, and only take a brand that is recommended by somebody you know in your area that has taken that particular brand. There are many manfacturers who may use the same logo, but thier pills have different compositions.

I doubt they'd give you amphetamines or cut X with amphetamines. If they're going to rip you off they're not going to rip you off with another expensive drug, they're gonna do it with something cheap, fake, and/or malicious. Like sugar or something.

Sometimes chemists make crappy batches that aren't as pure or dont make MDMA... I dont know anything about that.

But I think that rumors that X or any other drug is cut with any other kind of pricey drug are false. It just wouldn't make sense.

[Biovore]

Approximately 2 per 100,000 users have extreme negative reactions resulting in death

taken from http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_effects.shtml

[Armalite]

Cutting drugs with amphetamines is common. Not only X but coke aswell can be found with meth in it. It is by nomeans expensive, as any dingbat with some basic knowledge and a friend who works at Walgreens can cook the shit up in their bathtub.

[Pedro5269]

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