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Eulux
20th March 2007, 10:06 AM
clicky (http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_5402&pageNum=1)

sometimes you find a gem in a pile of shit...such is the case with GQ. Very interesting read, with very compelling arguments...definitely well thought out. I 100% give my support.

Stone
20th March 2007, 11:30 AM
It'll never happen though...

Esophagus
20th March 2007, 06:46 PM
the american dream.

ComfortablyNumb
20th March 2007, 09:33 PM
hmmm, the problem with his arguments is that there are too many that need to be strung together in order to implicate cheney, not to mention the fact that he provides absolutely no evidence for that vast majority of his claims. He's also extremely biased, as can be seen in his description of the clinton impeachment:

One president was even impeached for having the good taste to keep his sex life private (concealing ?the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate Government employee,? President William Jefferson Clinton, 1998).

clinton was impeached for lying about his sex life under oath , he was not impeached for getting a blowjob, the man committed perjury. He would not have been impeached if he had said that he did have sexual relations with monica lewinski [sp?], but since he lied about it under oath he committed a "high crime," and was therefore impeached, and should have been convicted, but the democrats had control of the senate, so he lucked out.

odin_dax
20th March 2007, 11:04 PM
hmmm, the problem with his arguments is that there are too many that need to be strung together in order to implicate cheney, not to mention the fact that he provides absolutely no evidence for that vast majority of his claims. He's also extremely biased, as can be seen in his description of the clinton impeachment:



clinton was impeached for lying about his sex life under oath , he was not impeached for getting a blowjob, the man committed perjury. He would not have been impeached if he had said that he did have sexual relations with monica lewinski [sp?], but since he lied about it under oath he committed a "high crime," and was therefore impeached, and should have been convicted, but the democrats had control of the senate, so he lucked out.

People liked Clinton (though I don't know why) even though he was a major disgrace to the office. He's lucky the people didn't care or he would have been tried for White Water. His family stole antique White House furniture, committed perjury, as you said (in fact, the people backed him because they thought it was all about a blowjob - adultery is still a crime by law, btw, people), started a war for no reason other than removing the heat off him, ruined our relations in Somalia, under Janet Reno fired ALL federal prosecutors, and the economy collapsed under his last two quarters of power. How quickly the people forget.

Eulux
25th March 2007, 05:30 AM
Lets face it...we haven't had a decent president in decades...

He's also extremely biased, as can be seen in his description of the clinton impeachment

I'd just say that's trying to fit in with the target audience...it's a man's magazine...and you're right about what he was impeached for. however, that's not what the author said...you're basically agreeing with the author.

I will say that I liked clinton better than either bush...but that's not really saying much. last president I liked was carter.

Armalite
25th March 2007, 03:53 PM
Eloquently written. If only it was in a more serious venue. Perhaps in a longshot it might be taken seriously. I'm pretty sure the Constitution is supposed to guarantee the people the right to advance such documents in Congress.

Eulux
27th March 2007, 07:15 PM
It is, in the same way that citizens can force a vote on something if they get a petition with a certain amount of signatures...but it rarely happens. much like impeachment.

ComfortablyNumb
2nd April 2007, 02:45 AM
True, however it is also a good thing that the general public cant force things into legislation so easily- the reason for his is to prevent a "tyranny of the majority" type pof situation as talked about in the declaration of independence.

Armalite
15th April 2007, 04:48 PM
Or maybe to make real political power impractical to wield by the common man, so that he would be unable to enact reform. Jefferson wrote about this. The idea of the public actually making decisions to their own benefit disgusted the Founding Fathers.