Limits

[Esophagus]

ive been reading through these forums for a while, and ive found myself kind of appalled at people. i, personally, have a sort of "code of ethics" to what ill do.

1) no mom & pop shops
2) no stealing from PEOPLE
3) nothing i dont think is stupidly out of price, or just stupid in general
4) moderation, moderation, moderation.

thats really the basics of it. ive got carried away before, and find the best way to not just be an out and out asshole is to limit myself to my shoplifting. follow certain guidelines that seemed to make sense.

reading through i see people taking wallets, scamming people for their money, taking abundances of needless shit. not to make myself sound righteous. im no closer to perfection than the rest of you.

so, im wondering, what are your limits to scams and crimes?

[blaksun]

don't steal from people unless they're a fucking jerkface.

[Scamula]

What are my limits? Well, I don't like killing people...that just opens a whole 'nother can of worms. Other than that, I feel that it's every man (or woman) for himself :bandit:. It's a dog eat dog world baby. People have screwed me and people like me over many times so I really don't feel bad about anything I do now. I just don't.

[Esophagus]

A good point. Its a corrupt world, and people are the reason for it. I just don't feel like treating shitty people like shit is going to make you any better, or solve anyones problems.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

Nothing from my mother or close family I love

Nothing from shops who are mom and pop and may be in a poor position

Nothing involving killing or hurting someone

Nothing too too too risky or beyod my general scope of practice.


Thats about it. Moderation is nothing if you can do it properly.


I agree with Scamula in that people have fucked me over, and no one can stop me from making the most for myself, which includes fucking OTHER people over.

The less shit you give, the higher you take yourself. I will protect the people I love, I will dystroy the people who hurt me or them. No more of this passive sitting back and taking shit. I have always advocated for justice and what we are doing is the least of the injust in the world right now.


I say, the more it fucks them, the more you should do it. :sgrin:

[ComfortablyNumb]

[B]


I agree with Scamula in that people have fucked me over, and no one can stop me from making the most for myself, which includes fucking OTHER people over.

The less shit you give, the higher you take yourself. I will protect the people I love, I will dystroy the people who hurt me or them. No more of this passive sitting back and taking shit. I have always advocated for justice and what we are doing is the least of the injust in the world right now.



ditto, I agree 100% with this- good ol retributive justice is a wonderful thing. However, depending on how someone wrongs me, or someone/something I care deeply about, I can see myself taking that extra leap and ending their life.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

hahaha, have thought about that a lot.

BUT I would rather like to ruin their lives and make it less worth living for them to slowly suffer through it, then to end it right there.

[Scamula]

I just don't feel like treating shitty people like shit is going to make you any better, or solve anyones problems.

Well, that new winter coat sure did make me feel better a couple of months ago. :sgrin:

Basically, it does indeed solve financial and problems and the need for tangible things.

But for deeper problems, then you need something deeper than pirloining some sirloin from a grocery store that pissed you off.

However, somehow when a nasty company or person gets his, people feel better. They cheer. Remember when Bundy was executed? There were people shouting "Burn Bundy Burn"---even though they weren't the ones flippin' the switch on his ass and they weren't directly affected by what he did, they still got some kind of satisfaction out of it, no matter how sick.

I really don't know how to explain it to you decent people. :banghead: :biggrin:

[Scamula]

depending on how someone wrongs me, or someone/something I care deeply about, I can see myself taking that extra leap and ending their life.

I see where you are coming from definitely. Some people are never capable of murder and i am not one of those people. I wouldn't kill for sport but if you put me in one of those me or you situations, it damn sure isn't going to be me.

[Scamula]

BUT I would rather like to ruin their lives and make it less worth living for them to slowly suffer through it, then to end it right there.

This is a good point and I see where you are coming from. But it brings with it several problems.

1. Sooner or later, they're going to know it is you who's fucking them over and they're going to be coming for you to exact the same brand of *justice* upon you. They can also get the po po involved if they can prove that you are the one sabotaging them.
2. With them still constantly existing and you constantly thinking up new ways to fuck them over, they occupy more of your time and brain than they should.

Sometimes a good clean break is necessary .:yup:.................yes a good clean snapping .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............................of their goddamned necks. :saevilw:

[ThePrincessOfScam]

1. Sooner or later, they're going to know it is you who's fucking them over and they're going to be coming for you to exact the same brand of *justice* upon you. They can also get the po po involved if they can prove that you are the one sabotaging them.


All this talk on this board about how to do it right. And how to not get caught. Its all about being.. Not good enough to do... But so good you have to do. I am one of those people who are so good I just cant stop myself from it. Which brings factors such as, I am good enough not to get caught, and I am good enough at.. BLACKMAILL.

Blackmail will always ensure they keep their goddamn mouths shut. Especially if they did real wrong to you. Someone rapes you... You got them forever. Someone watches kids porno.... You got them... Someone is doing a genuine wrong (or you can make it seem so with ease).. You got em. Turn other people's jailbait into a way you can stay out of it [jail] lol.


Best part about the rediculous amount of stupidity in the human race.... Everyone has flaws.. And the only good thing about capitalism... You can exploit those flaws. Everyone has their weakness, target it, exploit it, cash it in.


The people who hurt you are human, they have a flaw. Get it. Use it. Or, like I said. If you can make it seem like they are doing something which is a huge no no, do it. I am talking about pedophiles here, who you can cash in on quite easilly.



2. With them still constantly existing and you constantly thinking up new ways to fuck them over, they occupy more of your time and brain than they should.

But this is how the Princess has her fun :saevilw:


Sometimes a good clean break is necessary ..................yes a good clean snapping .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............................of their goddamned necks.

YEEHAW

[odin_dax]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Whining about injustice or shitty experiences doesn't give anybody an excuse to enact the same upon a third party. Time to grow the fuck up. In fact, keep stealing. I hope you get caught, so you can finally learn a real world lesson.

[Scamula]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Whining about injustice or shitty experiences doesn't give anybody an excuse to enact the same upon a third party. Time to grow the fuck up. In fact, keep stealing. I hope you get caught, so you can finally learn a real world lesson.

Greetings Slimeball,

How did I know it was time for you to slink in here and do what you do best--judging others and flinging that bullshit psychology around like you know every damn thing.

You are the King of Sheeplistic Slogans "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind?" Which after school special did you snatch that from? And I'm the thief.

Seriously dude. Whining and stating how one feels are two different things. People are going to do what they are going to do. You're about 27 years old now....it's time for YOU to grow the hell up. You're still on message boards about "scams and crime" and then are going to sit there and get steamed whenever someone posts something about "scams and crime"? Give me a break you freaking hypocrite. I think deep down inside you like reading about this stuff or else you wouldn't keep cruising into the bad ideas side of town.

[ComfortablyNumb]

All this talk on this board about how to do it right. And how to not get caught. Its all about being.. Not good enough to do... But so good you have to do. I am one of those people who are so good I just cant stop myself from it. Which brings factors such as, I am good enough not to get caught, and I am good enough at.. BLACKMAILL.
I dont know if I am misreading this, but it seems that you are saying that you are too good at the crime you do not to do it, and that you are too good at it to get caught? If that is indeed what you are saying, tread very very carefully my dear-very few people who think like this last very long in the world of crime- those who last are those who know they are flawed, and know that they have the potential to get caught, so they take many measures not to get caught- but they still know there is always that chance. correct me if I misunderstood- or if I missed some crucial point.

Blackmail will always ensure they keep their goddamn mouths shut. Especially if they did real wrong to you. Someone rapes you... You got them forever. Someone watches kids porno.... You got them... Someone is doing a genuine wrong (or you can make it seem so with ease).. You got em. Turn other people's jailbait into a way you can stay out of it [jail] lol.
Generally, yes, blackmail works- but do not rule out the fact that the person you are blackmailing will have no reason not to murder you/ kidnap someone you love and blackmail you with them/ a million ther things etc.- people do not like being blackmailed, and it makes people do stupid things- whether or not their stupid actions will have consequences is irrelevant because if they fall- for any reason whatsoever, you fall too- which is the problem with blackmail- it puts your fate into the hands and consideration of another. it is very dangerous. You also have to make sure that you don't hold out too long on this blackmail- b/c if it is a serious issue, such as rape or child porn, your own credibility will be taken into account when it is revealed you held on to this information for so long, and for no other purpose than to hurt the other person, which will make you appear just as bad as the person who committed the original act and may very well cancel out any effectiveness the blackmail may have had. regardless of what that person did, blackmail, or extortion as it is properly called, is a crime, and you will be prosecuted for it- if caught. Not to mention the fact that the person you are blackmailing may very well hire a very good attorney, the methods of whom should never be underestimated. it is a very messy business my dear, be very careful.


Best part about the rediculous amount of stupidity in the human race.... Everyone has flaws.. And the only good thing about capitalism... You can exploit those flaws. Everyone has their weakness, target it, exploit it, cash it in.


The people who hurt you are human, they have a flaw. Get it. Use it. Or, like I said. If you can make it seem like they are doing something which is a huge no no, do it. I am talking about pedophiles here, who you can cash in on quite easily.
This is very true(and is exactly the point I was making in the other thread- the "I'm not voting in 08" one), though I would say there are many other good things about capitalism- this is not the place for that discussion. You oughtta be careful though, it might not be the best Idea for a 15 year old girl to go around blackmailing pedophiles- sure they deserve it, but no matter how smart you are, a 15 year old girl is absolutely no match (physically) for an angry adult male.(see above)



An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Nonsense. Retributive justice has been used for millenia by nearly every civilization- to say that now it is unfair is both arbitrary and unfounded. People do indeed deserve to have given to them exactly what they give unto the world( to let me illustrate how much I believe this, I say that I believe in the death penalty for 1st degree murderers(however I dont feel the gov't is the right party to administer it, thats a different debate), I feel that torturers should be tortured, and I feel that rapists should be unmercilesssly raped by someone much larger than themselves). Now, whether we as a society ahve a duty to provide that to them is another issue, but, generally speaking, an eye for an eye is a very good policy- it provides justice.

Whining about injustice or shitty experiences doesn't give anybody an excuse to enact the same upon a third party.
Very, very true my friend. Though, that is not what I see going on here. Certainly this applies to many issues in politics (affirmative action, tax policies, etc.) but I dont see anyone here saying that any of these people deserve to be stolen from- what they are actually saying is that there are certain people who deserve not to be stolen from, and that everyone else is fair game. Whether or not this is true is kind of in the air, however the point of this discussion is for us to share where we think on that issue.
Time to grow the fuck up. In fact, keep stealing. I hope you get caught, so you can finally learn a real world lesson.
now now, settle down, nobody here is stealing from you (unless of course they are stealing from a corporation in which you are a stockholder- but since I think I can safely assume that most of the people on this board, including myself, dont have enough spare income to spend on stocks, I doubt this is the case). Who cares if they get caught or not? if they do, fine, itll be a good life lesson, but if they dont get caught, so what?- the only irritating part is that we, as consumers, may have to pay more for goods and services, but at the same time, the corporations and businesses that are being stolen have a duty to be smart enough to not have things stolen from them.- they are jsut as much at fault for being stolen from as the culprit is for stealing.- Now, dont mistake that as a justification for stealing- it is not, I jsut mean that both parties are at fault, so it is pointless to bear ill will towards one, while not doing the same towards the other. plus, just to throw in my favorite scapegoat for all problems in the world, the government and its taxation policies are just as bad as shoplifters and burglars. (for the record, I feel that income taxation, in any form, is nothing more than government sponsored stealing. Sales tax is nothing more than the government taking credit for "giving you the right to make business transactions"- bullshit- no gov't gives me the right to do that, individuals do that. All the other taxes are bad too.)
You are however right on at least one major issue- nobody should be trying to moralize stealing- or at least stealing that is not absolutely, 100% necessary for one's survival. To do so is moronical at best, however I only see very small hints and implications of that, as of yet, so I haven't mentioned it.

[odin_dax]

Greetings Slimeball,[/QUOTE

Slimeball, eh? I didn't think you the type to resort to name calling.

[QUOTE=Scamula]
How did I know it was time for you to slink in here and do what you do best--judging others and flinging that bullshit psychology around like you know every damn thing.

You're one to talk, dude. You knew because you clicked on "New Posts" and found my post(s). However, before you start throwing a hissy fit, you might want to ask what am I judging. I'm judging nobody as a whole, just certain actions. It's fine to be a thief, but to be one isn't because of some sense of entitlement. Also, if anyone is talking about falsely accusing anyone of calling another a pedo, a very dangerous accusation this day and age, then I will call any person out on that.

As for "bullshit psychology," what bullshit psychology? It's common sense and observation. I don't need to psycho-analyze anybody. Princess is a whiny little brat, of whom I doubt has any real world experience. It's not rocket science, just read her stuff. I'm glad I give her shit, somebody needs to. And I don't know everything. Seeing as how you don't, why do you assume to know me anymore than you'd say me knowing Princess?


You are the King of Sheeplistic Slogans "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind?" Which after school special did you snatch that from? And I'm the thief.

I use ONE quote and I'm labeled a the Stephen King of slogans? Hardly.


Seriously dude. Whining and stating how one feels are two different things. People are going to do what they are going to do. You're about 27 years old now....it's time for YOU to grow the hell up. You're still on message boards about "scams and crime" and then are going to sit there and get steamed whenever someone posts something about "scams and crime"? Give me a break you freaking hypocrite. I think deep down inside you like reading about this stuff or else you wouldn't keep cruising into the bad ideas side of town.

Again, jumping to conclusions. As I've explained in this post, it's not about crimes or stealing. If you don't get that, I apologize for not grouping all my thoughts on one thread. Simply, I respond all at once to multiple threads. Yes, people are going to do what they're going to do, and I'm not almost 27 now. Why is it time for me to grow up? Because I speak my mind? I don't expect everybody to like my opinion, but at least I give a different kind of voice. Adversity is nothing to be taken for granted. You're right, I'm not into scam and crimes anymore. In that respect, I did grow up. Yes, it's cool to get things for cheap or for free, when legal, and that's what I like. I've seen DIzzIE around many boards. In fact, this board is more than just scam and crimes. I like this board, and the people on it. I don't agree with everybody, but that doesn't mean I dislike those people. One more thing, if you think this board constitutes the bad ideas side of town, then you're absolutely in the dark.

Well, anyway, cheers.

[odin_dax]

Nonsense. Retributive justice has been used for millenia by nearly every civilization- to say that now it is unfair is both arbitrary and unfounded. People do indeed deserve to have given to them exactly what they give unto the world( to let me illustrate how much I believe this, I say that I believe in the death penalty for 1st degree murderers(however I dont feel the gov't is the right party to administer it, thats a different debate), I feel that torturers should be tortured, and I feel that rapists should be unmercilesssly raped by someone much larger than themselves). Now, whether we as a society ahve a duty to provide that to them is another issue, but, generally speaking, an eye for an eye is a very good policy- it provides justice.



Sorry for using the curse, just for effect. I am a stockholder, but not for any company anybody could walk into a store and steal from. Of course, the company wouldn't be paying for it anyway.

I understand what you're saying on retribution, and I agree, but it is up to civilization, society. The key is, it's up to society, not the individual who "just decides." That's all my point was on the subject at the time.

[Esophagus]

I agree wholy with odin_Dax. It probably soudns two-faced but I'm quickly learning my lesson on how stupid shoplifting is. Thatnks to Rorta, and primarily this thread. I think of how stupid people are for pulling some of the scams they do, but really, is one imperfection worse than the next? Oh well.

[Scamula]

Perhaps I did come down a wee bit hard on you odin dax. I thought Slimeball was pretty funny so I had to throw that in there. :laugh: ?Greetings Odin Dax? simply wasn?t cutting the mustard.

You wrote: ?It's fine to be a thief, but to be one isn't because of some sense of entitlement. Also, if anyone is talking about falsely accusing anyone of calling another a pedo, a very dangerous accusation this day and age, then I will call any person out on that.?I understand you about the pedo thing because you can seriously screw up someone?s life. And you mean it?s fine to be a thief but what really matters are the motivations for becoming a thief (i.e. sense of entitlement)? I see what you are trying to say but to the stores, boosting is boosting and crime is crime.

And to be honest I thought you were coming down upon *me* when I posted my reply not just posting to multiple folks. It was late, I was tired, I was like ?oh no he didn?t?. My paranoia is rearing its ugly head again and I jumped to conclusions...I apologize. I see where you?re coming from...I?ll try to be patient with Princess as she is a new member and she is young. But I see where you?re coming from.

You wrote: ?Why is it time for me to grow up? Because I speak my mind??
No, I simply said that because you seem to be getting really bent out of shape and rather judgmental whenever you see someone posting about purloining something or pulling some other kind of AMOOGS (alternate methods of obtaining goods and services). The thread will be all quiet and then you appear in there like Jesus upon the clouds and say something snarky about the whole thing:newangel: :raincloud. But I guess that?s your right. Conflict does keep things interesting and some of your comebacks crack me up.

You mean that it is not about the actual crime that pisses you off, but it the spirit in which it is done and the reasoning behind it? Do I have you right there? Hmmm. This is an interesting perspective but I don?t think Wal-mart agrees with you. To them, regardless of your motives or reasoning behind stealing, you?re dead meat if you get caught.

And I understand that this board just is not about scams and crime and it has many interesting subboards to it. There are some interesting folks here and I do like Rorta. I understand that you are no longer into bad ideas anymore and that is too bad....it looks like we've lost another one to honesty. Let me tell you how I roll though....if I am no longer into a particular section, I won?t visit it. I never go into the ?Drugs? section because I am not into drugs and I think that the whole industry of it has destroyed too many lives, people and families and caused too much heartache. I think it's pure foolishness. But I don?t roll into the section and be like ?I hope you get busted with that you dweebs?. But to each her own.

And I know that this "Scams and Crime" section is not even the tip of the iceberg when it comes to real white collar crime and fraud. There are thing out there that?d make the hair come off of your head. Let's just say I've been in the business long enough to know that. :biggrin:

Anyway,

Cheers.

[Scamula]

I agree wholy with odin_Dax. It probably soudns two-faced but I'm quickly learning my lesson on how stupid shoplifting is. Thatnks to Rorta, and primarily this thread. I think of how stupid people are for pulling some of the scams they do, but really, is one imperfection worse than the next? Oh well.

Well it looks like we're about to lose another brother! :puppy_dog More for me. :sgrin:

[Esophagus]

Not quite. I still shoplift on occasion. And I'm still really into scams that I believe to be worth while, and really unharmful (ie: dumpstering, squatting, etc.) and plan to stick around. Plus theres plenty of fun stuff going on around the forum otherwise. I just think its unethical of me to say "I can't believe you'd steal some ladies purse" and then steal a book. A difference? Yes. But it doesn't make me right, and it certainly doesn't help in getting people to understand what I'm trying to say.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Sorry for using the curse, just for effect. I am a stockholder, but not for any company anybody could walk into a store and steal from. Of course, the company wouldn't be paying for it anyway.

Oh, well I guess some people on here do have extra income. damned assuming, always making me wrong.

I understand what you're saying on retribution, and I agree, but it is up to civilization, society. The key is, it's up to society, not the individual who "just decides." That's all my point was on the subject at the time.
mmmm, yes and no. You forget, that it is an individual who "just decicdes" what a just punishment is, and he is called a Judge. Though he is put in place to decide for society on the matter (meaning he has a duty to decide the same thing that a reasonable society would decide), he is still human and is subject to making mistakes. Sure, he doesn't always have a choice, as with manditory minimum sentencing, but then the case gets to go to appeals court where anything can happen, and 3 p;eople decide what is or isnt just. So think about it, in name of society, there are 4 individuals (more if you want to count prosecution and defense attorneys) who decide what is or isn't a just desert, and, as human history has told me, humans cannot be trusted to make reasonable decisions for other humans. Now, dont get me wrong, Im aware that this is the only system we have, and, for that most part, it works pretty damn well. When I raised the question about society having a duty to punish, I didnt mean on little things- I took that for granted, I was referring more specifically to what I said before, about rapists deserving rape, mrderers deserving death, etc. and whether the government should be entrusted with that responsibility(administering punishments that cannot be undone). And now, I'll copy and paste from an essay I wrote for my critical reasoning class to back that statement up...

Now, for why I feel the death penalty should be abolished. I feel that capital punishment should be abolished on the principle that the government has shown itself to be incompetent and unfair in its implementation. My first justification of this premise is Bedau and Radelet?s allegation that 35 innocent people have been executed this century . Now, to put it quite simply, I feel that 1 innocent being executed since the ratification of the constitution in the 18th century is enough to warrant its abolition. The reason I feel this way is because of the purpose of the constitution. Now, don?t get me wrong, Capital Punishment in and of itself is perfectly constitutional, the 8th amendment, as it was meant to be interpreted, does not forbid it, and it is also mentioned several times, though indirectly: "...a capital, or otherwise infamous crime... ...be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb... ...nor be deprived of life...without due process of law..." Though it is constitutional by the 5th amendment, I feel that even the chance of executing innocents is an insult to the entire constitution because, not only was the constitution developed to give us an ordered society, it was also developed, and arguably more importantly, to protect the citizens from the power of the government (notably the amendments and the bill of rights). To give the government the ability to flagrantly abuse its citizens in ?the name of justice? is a gross miscarriage of power, and to set the precedent giving them this ability to disregard miscarriages of justice as ?inevitable? is extremely dangerous, after all, when you give the government an inch of power, they oftentimes feel free to take a mile or two. Following from this, I feel the real moral objection in this line of reasoning is the fact that when the government executes an innocent person, they aren?t just doing it in the name of justice, they are doing it in my name! I for one do not approve of giving the government the ability to put blood on my hands that cannot be washed off. Another reason I feel the government is incompetent in effectively administering such a policy is the dishonorable way in which prosecutors (who are paid by taxes) have conducted themselves. Bryan Stevenson in the Firing Line Debate in class gave an example of this. In it he noted a certain Georgia prosecutor who used over 90% of his jury strikes against black people, despite blacks only comprising around 30% of the total population. Stevenson also said that in Alabama since the reinstatement of the death penalty 61% of juries had either all-white juries or juries with 1 black member . Despite the fact that many, if not all, of the defendants in these cases were guilty, a jury is supposed to be representative of the population, and prosecutors flagrantly disregarded this in trying to get a higher chance of a conviction, which is a gross miscarriage of justice considering it is likely they would have gotten the same conviction with a representative jury if the defendant was guilty. I find this kind of conduct disgraceful because firstly, it is done with taxpayer money, and secondly these kinds of actions reflect poorly on the entire nation, not just the South. Another, less specific problem is the pressure put on prosecutors in high-profile cases to convict someone of the crime in question. The problem with this is that it can lead to innocents being wrongly convicted (in my opinion Sacco and Vanzetti, though certainly not good people, were not guilty of the crime they were charged with), which is inexcusable when the death penalty, being irreversible, is used. Finally, the least important reason I see for the abolishment of the death penalty is the massive cost of the appeals system. Since it oftentimes costs much more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life, and since killing the prisoner does nothing to restore that money, nor to cancel out the crime, there is no point, other than a moral one, to execute the prisoner, and trying to put morality into legislation is a very, very fine line.

Though the death penalty is morally justifiable, ideologically, it should be abolished on the grounds that, in reality, the government has shown itself to be unfair and incompetent in the implementation of such a penalty. If the government had the ability to only, 100% of the time execute guilty people, then I would be all for the death penalty, but since they have shown this not to be the case, it must be abolished because, though moral, it is contrary to the principles of being an American, which outweigh any sort of morality because, unlike morality, the constitution is not, ever, relative, and is much more consistent. My solution to the problem is to put heinous 1st degree murderers into solitary confinement for life without any possibility of parole. This would keep them from murdering anyone else, as well as fulfilling the deontological retributive justice principle of equal punishment because, though not biologically, keeping someone isolated from other people, and media, left only to think about what they did, is essentially taking their life away.

[odin_dax]

Perhaps I did come down a wee bit hard on you odin dax. I thought Slimeball was pretty funny so I had to throw that in there. :laugh: ?Greetings Odin Dax? simply wasn?t cutting the

Anyway,

Cheers.


We're cool. At least people on this board have intelligent thoughts. Sorry for the misunderstandings and such.

Cheers!

[ThePrincessOfScam]

I dont know if I am misreading this, but it seems that you are saying that you are too good at the crime you do not to do it, and that you are too good at it to get caught? If that is indeed what you are saying, tread very very carefully my dear-very few people who think like this last very long in the world of crime- those who last are those who know they are flawed, and know that they have the potential to get caught, so they take many measures not to get caught- but they still know there is always that chance. correct me if I misunderstood- or if I missed some crucial point.

There is always a chance. Thats all that needs to be said. Not just for blackmailing but for stealing, hacking, whatever! lol. I am saying I am good enough to lower my risks. And I try and stay within my scope of practice to eliminate any further risk. The person who goes into a store, takes something, and then gets scared. That fear is them leaving their scope of practice. I am not saying I am cocky when (ESPECIALLY) it comes to blackmail. I am saying that I am good enough, to make sure of my chances, and make sure I will never have a feeling of fear I have to worry about. Get me?


Generally, yes, blackmail works- but do not rule out the fact that the person you are blackmailing will have no reason not to murder you/ kidnap someone you love and blackmail you with them/ a million ther things etc.- people do not like being blackmailed, and it makes people do stupid things- whether or not their stupid actions will have consequences is irrelevant because if they fall- for any reason whatsoever, you fall too- which is the problem with blackmail- it puts your fate into the hands and consideration of another. it is very dangerous. You also have to make sure that you don't hold out too long on this blackmail- b/c if it is a serious issue, such as rape or child porn, your own credibility will be taken into account when it is revealed you held on to this information for so long, and for no other purpose than to hurt the other person, which will make you appear just as bad as the person who committed the original act and may very well cancel out any effectiveness the blackmail may have had. regardless of what that person did, blackmail, or extortion as it is properly called, is a crime, and you will be prosecuted for it- if caught. Not to mention the fact that the person you are blackmailing may very well hire a very good attorney, the methods of whom should never be underestimated. it is a very messy business my dear, be very careful.

You have to do it properly. lol. Nothing should be underestimated when you are fucking someone over. Which is why i try to learn as much as I can from them before executing any shit that could fuck me over.


This is very true(and is exactly the point I was making in the other thread- the "I'm not voting in 08" one), though I would say there are many other good things about capitalism- this is not the place for that discussion. You oughtta be careful though, it might not be the best Idea for a 15 year old girl to go around blackmailing pedophiles- sure they deserve it, but no matter how smart you are, a 15 year old girl is absolutely no match (physically) for an angry adult male.(see above)

Physically no. But then again I have done a damn good job in the past. And if you are smart enough you can avoid that shit. It is just more to add to flame of the scam... Me I go indepth into their lives before I do something like that. I find out all the shit I need from them, it makes it less sticky and a hell of a lot more.... $valueble$. Especially since I have a good voyure friend. Helps me out. If they are a man with a wife and kids, good job, respected in society, they wont kill me, infact they will give me more to keep me CLOSE. hurting me will just dystory all the freedom they could have had. (ie.: if they give me what I want, I hand over the evidence, its done. If they try and hurt me/kill me not only did they loose the freedom they could have had by giving me what i wanted, but now they have a double whammy to deal with. Murder AND pedophilia) And i make this clear. lol.




And to be honest I thought you were coming down upon *me* when I posted my reply not just posting to multiple folks. It was late, I was tired, I was like ?oh no he didn?t?. My paranoia is rearing its ugly head again and I jumped to conclusions...I apologize. I see where you?re coming from...I?ll try to be patient with Princess as she is a new member and she is young. But I see where you?re coming from.

If u got something to say, man. Fucking let it out. Dont make pussy excuses as to why you shouldnt. I dont need pity or help because I am new or young or whatever, I am good at what I do. *Shrugs* If you got a fucking problem, tell me. lol

[odin_dax]

*Shrugs* If you got a fucking problem, tell me. lol

Yeah, I have a problem. Yeah, I've told you. Yeah, I think you need to grow up. Yeah, I think you're disgusting for blackmailing and ruining someone's life. Yeah, I hope it bites you in the ass one day so you finally learn a lesson.

Cheers.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

haha. You still are entertaining! Do you need to bite everyones ass because you are THAT bad?


Obviously you havnt read any one of my posts which clearly state that I would never hurt someone who didnt deserve it.

So protect the pedophiles and rapists all you want. Maybe you will find yourself in a compromising position one day (just for being such an asshole). lol

AND BTW:

Yeah I have told you back. Yeah I think you have something stuck up your ass. Yeah I think it is because not even your fat mother will lay ya down. Yeah I hope I hope someone rips your asshole one day so it can finally bite YOU in the ass. Yeah you are a peice of shit. Yeah fuck off. Yeah I am LOL

[Scamula]

If u got something to say, man. Fucking let it out. Dont make pussy excuses as to why you shouldnt. I dont need pity or help because I am new or young or whatever, I am good at what I do. *Shrugs* If you got a fucking problem, tell me. lol

Ah yes, you were responding to my words with this one. I have nothing against you (at least not yet :sly: :biggrin:) . I really don't know how to take you yet because you are new here so I am kind of feeling you out. That is all. At times you can be abrasive but I guess the same could be said of other folk me included... Everything is not war Princess. Just relax and enjoy the ride. This is a good board, one of the best for us unconventional types.

[Esophagus]

Blackmail will always ensure they keep their goddamn mouths shut. Especially if they did real wrong to you. Someone rapes you... You got them forever. Someone watches kids porno.... You got them... Someone is doing a genuine wrong (or you can make it seem so with ease).. You got em. Turn other people's jailbait into a way you can stay out of it [jail] lol. id like it to be stated now, that this was the final straw in how much i absolutely hate you princess of scam. grow the fuck up.

[odin_dax]

haha. You still are entertaining! Do you need to bite everyones ass because you are THAT bad?


Obviously you havnt read any one of my posts which clearly state that I would never hurt someone who didnt deserve it.

So protect the pedophiles and rapists all you want. Maybe you will find yourself in a compromising position one day (just for being such an asshole). lol

AND BTW:

Yeah I have told you back. Yeah I think you have something stuck up your ass. Yeah I think it is because not even your fat mother will lay ya down. Yeah I hope I hope someone rips your asshole one day so it can finally bite YOU in the ass. Yeah you are a peice of shit. Yeah fuck off. Yeah I am LOL

You are not judge and jury, you're a 15 year old, ignorant moron (no offense). You apparently see the world with a limited view, which is quite sad. People may wonder why I'm such an ass to you, but if you keep talking, they will see.
I don't protect pedophiles and rapists. Blackmailing them doesn't stop them, nor does is help them. It also makes you an accessory to the crimes, added to the crime of blackmail. I guess you don't get it. Maybe one day you'll wake the fuck up.
Fat mother? Such words. I'm not in junior high, kid, but I know you are. Actually, my mother is quite thin. As for the rest, anyone can rip me a new one when I'm wrong, which isn't the case here.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

There is nothing to be wrong or right about. lol. This isnt a fucking quiz show. No right or wrong answer. Personally, you hating me means shit to me. lol. Because you are shit and all I gotta do is wipe you from under my chucks.

I love to hear you rant tho. lol. You are funny.


And Esophagus, No I wont. Not until I leave nevrnever land. Which wont be for a while. Just got promoted to cheif day dreamer. LMAO. But you can go ahead and get old. LOL

[Esophagus]

That makes no fucking sense, and is the lamest comeback I've heard to date. I can't wait until you take your pedo-baiting to far someday, and get fucked over, quite possibly literally.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

Its a joke not a comeback. lol :D



And yes, I am very much so into older men. I datd an olde rguy a while back and my current guy is 22.


So really that didnt insult me. lol

I have stressed enough on this site my scope of practice and how careful I am, so that didnt insult me either. :-)

[ComfortablyNumb]

hmmm, there's something to be said about 22-year-olds who date 15 year olds, but I cant think of anything witty enough at this juncture. anyone else?

[Esophagus]

other than the obvious "they belong in prison", no.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Indubitably, unless of course its in Thailand- then its A-Okay.:bukkake:

[behindthemask]

I try not to do damage to innocent people and I agree with what esophagus first said. "I've never scammed an innocent man" - someone :wiggle:

[REL0AD]

Most of the pedos featured in the newspapers over here don't look like the types to be messed with. Yeah they're pedos but still dangerous... Thinkin' back at there pictures and crimes I somehow dowt they would let a 15 year old girl fuck with them.... Princess, your gonna fuck up one day.

No offence..

[Esophagus]

Agreed.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

hahaha sure then. And you are saying you aint gunna get fucked? I have stressed aenough scope of practice on this site in my defence, look it up if you dont beleive me. And I will just end it there.

[concept99]

testing

[theMaxx]

I consider myself to have a strict moral code, but it doesn't apply to actions (such as stealing), it applies to possible consequences. It's also based on the assumption that people are just people and that we should try to help eachother - although that's not to say personal responsibility isn't important.

Stealing: Only ok when it's commited against an ugly giganto-fuckin' corporation. The world would be better without WalMart, so the world will be better if WalMart loses $$. However, there are many an individual that would barely notice if some of their shit was gone since they have so much. If I steal a dime from under your chouch seat or a cd-player from a millionaire, it's cool.

[theMaxx]

Princess, your gonna fuck up one day.


She already did - by fucking a 22 y.o whacko.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

You dont even know who I am and you are just going with the croud to insult me like some hollister whore follows the media.

Fuck yourself you peice of conformist shit.


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[headcase]

Now someone make a reference to Mr.T! Nothing like topical comedy.


I pity the fool who drags up dead jokes.

[theMaxx]

POS, it doesn't take more than 5 minutes to figure out that you're not exactly a role model.

Perhaps you should ask yourself if there's any validity to the overwhelming consensus that your life is fucked up instead of brushing everyone off with the 'conformist' bullshit. I'm not saying you shouldn't be skeptical, but the whole 'I am who I am fuck all you for judging me and fuck the man' routine stops working when people turn 14.

[headcase]

But the "I'm some kid who's going to give everyone condecending opinion over the internet" routine is as cool as it gets well into your twenties.

[theMaxx]

Shut yo' mothafuckin' mouth you Irish mothafucka'.

'Don't have sex with pedophiles' isn't condescending. It's common sense.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Stealing: Only ok when it's commited against an ugly giganto-fuckin' corporation. The world would be better without WalMart, so the world will be better if WalMart loses $$. However, there are many an individual that would barely notice if some of their shit was gone since they have so much. If I steal a dime from under your chouch seat or a cd-player from a millionaire, it's cool.


Dont be a moron, anytime you steal, you are stealing from people. Stealing from a corporation = stealing from lots of people at the same time. Just because the people at the tops of these corporations have made better choices than you have, doesnt mean its okay to steal from them (dont get me wrong, Im not saying its immoral to steal from them, just that its no more moral than stealing from a destitute person). I dont have a problem with stealing, Just people trying to justify stealing as moral when its from a corporation rather than a single citizen. its all the same- its all for personal gain.

PS- this might not be the best board to tell people to shut up for being irish.....:beerchug:

[headcase]

Shut yo' mothafuckin' mouth you Irish mothafucka'.

'Don't have sex with pedophiles' isn't condescending. It's common sense.

I bet you're a little white boy. With a broad range of insults too, I see. You know, if you're leaving letters out of words but putting in the apostraphes, you just look like a dumbass.

[Esophagus]

dont yo mak fun o' his grammar headcase. baha. i cant even keep a straight face.

not that its more moral, but i would sooner steal from a corporation than a lone person. that single person worked somewhere to get that item, and its their property. the corporation is buying bulk and getting massive distributor discounts, and then raising their prices a good 10-20% to sell them. i dont shoplift from anyone anymore, corporation or not, but if i stole a small item from a corporation it wouldnt kill me. id hate myself for stealing from a person. let it be noted that i wouldn't steal anything over a max of like $20 even if i did steal from a corporation.

[ThePrincessOfScam]

I bet you're a little white boy. With a broad range of insults too, I see. You know, if you're leaving letters out of words but putting in the apostraphes, you just look like a dumbass.


LOL!

Good shit headcase. Gooood shit. But what was even better was what he wrote. LMAO. I bet he really thought that was hardc0re too. lol.

[Esophagus]

I have stressed enough on this site my scope of practice and how careful I am, so that didnt insult me either. :-)I just did a full on search after getting annoyed of seeing things like this. Not annoyed at you, as much as annoyed at the way I had missed it. Well after my little search I come up with this... Anytime you've mentioned scope of practice its been telling us the amount youve stressed it, and not actually what it is. Not to be rude, but... Explain it?

[ThePrincessOfScam]

I stay away from what I know I cant handel and/or when it starts to look grim. I stop. There is always a limit or a little ting in your head that tells you when to stop. And I know when it is enough and I stick by that.

It is a way to mesure what you can and cant do, your scope o' practice. I know when to stop or to say that it is way above me. I am really careful not just with shoplifting but when I am dealing with something as intimate as pedo baiting and whatnot I really really am careful not to run into trouble.

Alright? :D

[Esophagus]

Good 'nuff. Except, as I'm sure I've made clear, the best way to be careful about pedo baiting is to simply avoid it. Which, conveniently, happens to be the more thical and moral thing to do.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Which, conveniently, happens to be the more thical and moral thing to do.

I'm sure the pedophiles would agree with you.:wiggle: j/k, really though, how is not doing it more moral than doing it?

[Esophagus]

If this guy had caught up, coughed up some money, and called the police, it would have been stupid, but fine, but using pedophilia as blackmail is wrong. you know hell just find another little girl?

[Jarmungand]

asdf

[ThePrincessOfScam]

If this guy had caught up, coughed up some money, and called the police, it would have been stupid, but fine, but using pedophilia as blackmail is wrong. you know hell just find another little girl?


Granted and kudos to your concern about the fuckers victims and I really dont see a way around the fact that he might take advantage of another girl. Its true. He very well might.

But its like even if I dont, he will still do so, and if I do, he might after or he might be scared shitless for his life that someone knows. Either way there is always a victim but atleast upon doing it you can take advantage of a weak spot or two.

And it is like I am doing it out of ditest for them also in a way but I understand where you are comming from. Totally and it is very nobel. But I dont see how doing it and not doing it will change anything at all. Either way there may be a victim, and by doing it you might just scare him into watching his fucking ass. Who knows!

[Esophagus]

But its like even if I dont, he will still do so.Thats like a police officer stopping a bank robber, saying "I'll let you go if you give me a percentage." then getting caught and saying "Well he would have robbed the bank had I not been there. Turning a cheek to the fact that there are pedophiles out on the internet is one thing. Its probably a lot easier to just pretend theyre not there than to do something about it. But if you are taking the time out of your day to stop this guy, then stop him! Don't just take your cut.