Drinking alone

[dylanrush]

I'm drinking alone right now, not talking to anyone. Just resting my brain. It feels great. Does anyone else like to just drink alone and relax? Or is that just me?

[ComfortablyNumb]

mmm, I love to just sit back and relax alone either watching tv or reading with my glass of Scotch.

[Esophagus]

I enjoy drinking alone. Just sitting out in the hot tub, or reading a good book. Drunk alone, I hate though.

[odin_dax]

I can't drink alone. To me, there's no point drinking without a party or gathering of some sort.

[headcase]

Maybe a can of beer or two if I feel like a can of beer. Don't like being drunk alone either though. The beer is more to enjoy drinking it then anything.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Drunk alone, I hate though.

Ditto.

[Esophagus]

Goldilox, are you planning on just going to every recently posted in thread and saying hello?

[odin_dax]

Well, that'll certainly be more annoying than NHL refs making calls (or "missing" calls) in favor of any team that plays against the Red Wings... Maybe not...

[torcher]

i'm drinking alone right now too. i used to hate it, but now i dont mind very much. i love being drunk alone too, because i can come up with some interesting shit to do when im drunk and bored.

[headcase]

It's a clear sign of alcoholism though.

[REL0AD]

I used to do it just about everyday...

I'm a recovering Alcoholic. Had a slip up last week and binged for five days, mainly alone. :hitwithro

[odin_dax]

I used to do it just about everyday...

I'm a recovering Alcoholic. Had a slip up last week and binged for five days, mainly alone. :hitwithro

I used to gamble. I used to think gambling was worse than drinking, but until I partied a lot, I'd rather have my mind intact most of the time. Gambling is expensive, but so is buying liquor.

[Esophagus]

I wouldn't consider myself an alcoholic, but I think I came pretty close for a while. Going out of the house was pretty much an excuse to drink. And I could never drink just a bit, it was always an excess amount. Stopped hanging out with a lot of the same people though, and now I rarely drink. Alone is never a good sign. A drink for the sake of a drink is okay, but getting drunk by yourself is stupid.

[torcher]

drinking alone is dumb? its fucked how its cool to be a pothead, but if you drink more than a couple beers a night or have more than a shot or two a night you're scolded by your friends and looked down on by everyone else. none of you smoke a bowl by yourselves, or do a line? right.

[Esophagus]

let it be noted that i think getting high alone is lame to.
i'm not huge on being stoned in general,
but doing it alone is a waste of time and money.

[DoctaD]

Torcher, I dont know anyone who would take a line on their own. Smokin' weed is different as it is generally seen as habitual, wheras while alcohol can be habitual you are left inebriated moreso than with weed.

[Nox (ADVANCED)]

Who says its cool to be a pothead? get shunned into a different culture around here if u smoke pot!!

[headcase]

Cool potheads. Pft.

[Esophagus]

Who is cool? I cant think of a single social stereotype considered cool by other social groupings other than themselves. Perception. Potheads are lame though.

[odin_dax]

Who is cool? I cant think of a single social stereotype considered cool by other social groupings other than themselves. Perception. Potheads are lame though.

I don't smoke pot, but I believe it should be legal. It's healthier than cigarettes, but that isn't my reasoning, just a fact.

Having said that, I have friends who smoke at various rates. The casual pot smokers are all normal acting, maybe smoke once or twice a week, highly intelligent. The heavy pot smokers are of mixed intelligence, but not stupid, just watch TV all night, they smoke everyday, at least two bowls, and have no motivation to do anything extracurricular.

From my observation, pot should be smoked, like everybody says about everything else people intake, only in moderation.

[Esophagus]

Agreed. I dont smoke pot but I see no reason why its illegal. I know some places just have limits of how much you can have in your possession at any time. That could smart I guess, but then I don't see why cigarettes or alcohol wouldn't. Cigarettes should really jsut be all around illegal in my opinion. A huge money racket, and not exactly healthy.

[headcase]

Because huge businesses have built up around alcohol and tobacco, it means they supply a lot of jobs. Plus, as everyone keeps bringing up, governments like it when companies make money and not always because of evil capitalist conspiracies. Tobacco and alcohol will always be legal and that's not such a bad thing. In fact, it's a very good thing.

I think the "gateway drug" arguement is pretty relevant to weed's illegality. On a large scale, what message will legalising weed make to the public? That drugs aren't so bad. Because to Joe Public, there's no great difference between weed and harder drugs - they're both drugs. The public are quite content with the current position but legalisation will call their beliefs into question. Why bother? If you want weed, it's easily available and the penalties aren't that harsh. Usually only confiscation. And that's only if you're stupid enough to be caught. The deal isn't all that different with alcohol.

Also, what is it makes weed special? If it's only physical health you're judging, why not LSD? What about oral DMT? Becuase you public don't want or need these substances, and are quite probably not capable of handling them.

Once again, bring on the status quo.

[Esophagus]

I didn't mean to convey that the legalisation of alcohol and tobacco are bad things. Its a good thing for aa lot of people. I just meant that with a lot of the things that are illegal nowadays, its stupid for cigarettes to be legal. A lot more dangerous.

And the reason its weed that is brought up is because its a very common drug. In most areas I've ever been you will find that a large numebr of people, ages ranging widely, will use it. A lot of the older people are closet users as it is, as you said, considered jsut as bad as any other drug to Joe Public. It has very few physical effects, and a general affect that won't harm most people. You're right, most of thep ublic couldn't handle LSD. I can think of a hundred campaigns the government coudl run in legalizing marijuana that would leave them looking not so bad. I've yet to think of one for the legalisation of LSD. It may be fine for your body physically, but mentally it can be quite strenous to the average person. Not to mention the reputation it holds with a lot of people. Pot is seen as something a stupid teenager does in his basement. LSD is seen as something a lot more severe.

[odin_dax]

Don't forget, alcohol supplied a lot of jobs when it first legal. It was banned, but the amendment had to be repealed because of the crime and trouble bootlegging caused.

I think the public is more than ready to be convinced, if they're not already, that pot has many health benefits, eases pain and suffering of terminally ill patients, and has many uses besides smoking.

Pot hasn't been illegal forever, but if you believe the conspiracy theorists, the public image anti-pot activists have created utterly destroyed any chance the weed would be utilized - at least until the medicinal purposes came about. Everybody knows Amsterdam allows weed to be smoked in certain areas, yet is Amsterdam a decadent society because of it? No, of course not.

Contrary to popular belief, pot is not a gateway drug. There have been numerous studies on the matter. The main difference between pot and hard drugs is the fact hard drugs cause permanent biochemical changes in the brain. In fact, one use of heroin can easily create a dependency. Meth, cocaine, LSD, E - they all create changes in the brain that cannot be reversed, harmful changes. Caffeine isn't the best thing for the brain either (in a different way, breaking down cell wall and axons), but most people intake tons of it. Weed and cigarettes aren't harmful the way hard drugs are.

It's all perception, I suppose, because if somebody tells use something is good, we'll feel safe, but can we really trust the government? I'm not that big on the theory everything's a conspiracy like most people online are, but as Esophagus alluded to, it's about money. Caffeine is not good for us, but it's deemed safe. What else? How many drugs have been recalled? Cigarettes are healthy? Trans fats? Our beef supply?

Who benefits from pot being illegal? A better question, who at the time it was made illegal, benefited from that law?

[Esophagus]

I'm pretty sure numerous cigarette companies, the government, and other start-up companies, would be making quite a bit of money with its legalization.

[odin_dax]

Government would always make money.

I think the problem is more about challenging other economies, like cotton, logging/paper, and oil.

[Eulux]

towards the topic: I prefer to either drink alone, or with a couple of friends...never been much of a socialite...I'm a bit too honest for most people's taste...my friend described me very well as "a bottle of fine wine...few will appreciate it." or perhaps he was referring to the amount of fine wine I drink...but I digress.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone"

it's applicable...amidst the bullshit a few gems may gleam...

drinking alone is nothing to be ashamed of, or encouraged. alcohol, like most drugs, are different for each individual. not all should take dmt, just as some should never drink alcohol...for some alcohol is an instigator...for others it's a relaxer...hence the phrase "to each his own."

I treat everything in my life just like religion; I will tell you my stance, but I sure as hell won't tell you what to believe or do. if you want to drink alcohol alone, or with your grandmother, then by all means, feel free to. When I go to my best friend's house, I usually bring some beer knowing damn well that he hates beer...meh.

as for reefer...who gives a fuck....

and as for "lame"
...unless you are referring to a disablement of appendages and such...you should be burned. lame and rad are two words that I hate to see come back in style...if we learned anything from the 90s, we learned that retro sucks...unless it's 1920s....cause that'd just be groovy. y'dig, soul brotha?

Well, that'll certainly be more annoying than NHL refs making calls (or "missing" calls) in favor of any team that plays against the Red Wings... Maybe not...

meer...from previous experience, expect a high level of irrelevancy and annoyance...it's like old janke...you either get used to it, or supremely dislike it.

point of reference for later...inebriation alone is fun. especially when writing/typing/whatever about the said state.

[headcase]

Don't forget, alcohol supplied a lot of jobs when it first legal. It was banned, but the amendment had to be repealed because of the crime and trouble bootlegging caused.

I don't think that's relevant though because alcohol was popular and widely accepted. Marijuana is not. If marijuana had been legal for as long as alcohol had then it would be an entirely different story, but it hasn't so it doesn't have the demand alcohol had when it was banned.

Everybody knows Amsterdam allows weed to be smoked in certain areas, yet is Amsterdam a decadent society because of it? No, of course not.

Ever been to Amsterdam?

Contrary to popular belief, pot is not a gateway drug. There have been numerous studies on the matter.

I'm still on the fence on this. Personally, I think it is. Smoking weed isn't that big a deal and that gets you questioning the image of other drugs. But then again, that vindicates the arguement that weed should be legalised because it isn't like other drugs. I dunno, can you cite the studies?

The main difference between pot and hard drugs is the fact hard drugs cause permanent biochemical changes in the brain.

I don't know about that. You're lumping a lot of drugs together. Is everything apart from pot a "hard drug"?

In fact, one use of heroin can easily create a dependency.

Not really. Generally, your first use just makes you violently sick. Anyone who was ever on opiate based painkillers or anaesthetics will verify that. There are exceptions, of course, but it seems to be accepted that one use won't get you addicted. Of course, you won't enjoy it either so don't read that as permission to go out and try heroin once.

Meth, cocaine, LSD, E - they all create changes in the brain that cannot be reversed, harmful changes.

Cite?

Caffeine isn't the best thing for the brain either (in a different way, breaking down cell wall and axons), but most people intake tons of it. Weed and cigarettes aren't harmful the way hard drugs are.

Again with the "hard drugs". And cigarettes are extremely harmful. I'm literally just come home from an old folks home. You can tell who smoked and who didn't a mile off.

It's all perception, I suppose, because if somebody tells use something is good, we'll feel safe, but can we really trust the government? I'm not that big on the theory everything's a conspiracy like most people online are, but as Esophagus alluded to, it's about money. Caffeine is not good for us, but it's deemed safe. What else? How many drugs have been recalled? Cigarettes are healthy? Trans fats? Our beef supply?

What's your point?

Who benefits from pot being illegal? A better question, who at the time it was made illegal, benefited from that law?

As for pot, I'm still not sure. Taking Amsterdam as an example, society benefits from pot being illegal. I am 100% certain that it should be legalised for medicinal use, but I don't see what good can come about from wider legalisation. Amsterdam is a crime-ridden shithole. The most amazing place in the world as a drug tourist, but I'm glad it's not my home town. I was thinking about going again this summer and I mentioned it to a buddy I was there with before. He warned me "don't go to buy (illegal) drugs on your own". Why? There's a damn good chance I'll be robbed if I do.

[Esophagus]

Yeah, that example of Amsterdam being a good place is terrible. Its a great place to the seventeen year olds who just want to smoke pot, watch porn, and go to clubs, but as a society, its really not good. Its all just one big tourist attraction. I'm surprised theres no admission fee. The only reason they haven't outlawed most of the legal shit there is because it would ruin their economy.

[BlinD]

When you drink alone, you should listen to that old blues song "I drink alone"... sets the mood. I think all drugs should be legal, and let it be up to people to choose what they should and shoulden't do... oh wait, that would be freedom... and we simply cannot allow that.

[headcase]

Nah, most people are idiots and most drugs are inherently bad. It'd destroy society.

[Esophagus]

When you drink alone, you should listen to that old blues song "I drink alone"... sets the mood. I think all drugs should be legal, and let it be up to people to choose what they should and shoulden't do... oh wait, that would be freedom... and we simply cannot allow that. I'll try and avoid getting too political on this one, because I see it easily turning that way. But I don't quite thing EVERYTHING should be legal. their are limits to what should be done. Almsot everyone, whether they admit to it or not, has tried smoking weed at some point in their life. The ones who enjoyi t will continue. Theyre generally going to be fine whether its legal or not. Now lets say all drugs are legal, Some kid goes to the local convenience store, and buys a joint to try. He enjoys it. Their his judgement tells him that drugs are going to be a lot of fun. Then he decides to go back later and buys some acid, or ecstacy. That probably wouldn't end as well. Although I think we should all be given our free judgement, their are limits in place to keep us from doing things tooooo stupid. Not to say all laws have a good purpose.

[Stone]

On the whole gateway drug thing... As anybody who smokes weed knows, when you get stoned you really don't feel like going and getting shitfaced on Ecstasy or Cocaine or anything else. But, when you go drinking it's a different story. Most people only take pills and coke when they are on a night out drinking. Ask anybody who takes pills, coke, acid, etc, what they were doing their first time. Any except the seasoned drug takers will tell you that they were after being drinking. Practically none, will tell you that they were stoned. Alcohol is the drug that lowers inhibitions, the drug that makes bad ideas seem like good ideas, and the drug that leads most non drug takers to become drug takers. Alcohol is the gateway drug but the media and the goverment will tell you it's the opposite. Why? Because they've never taken any other drugs besides alcohol and they've never felt the urge to take other drugs while drunk, so they assume alcohol is ok but cannabis must be the gateway drug instead. But what the fuck do they know, they've never even smoke a joint and therefore are not qualified to make judgement. But that's the shitty society we live in.

As for the heroin issue. headcase is right. One dose of heroin is not enough to get you addicted. Try three or four. After the first time many people go months without taking it again and assume they are safe becasue they weren't addicted the first time. Then a few weeks later they try it again because they still think they are safe from addiction. Then it becomes a few days, and believe it or not some people will do it daily and deny they are addicted. They don't realise it until the supply they have runs out and then it's too late. The moral of the story? Try everyhing once...

[Stone]

Nah, most people are idiots and most drugs are inherently bad. It'd destroy society.

I'm sorry mate but that's your opinion. You aren't really in a postition to make that decision for people and neither are any government. All drugs should be legalised and people should be allowed to make up their own minds.

[Esophagus]

On the whole gateway drug thing... As anybody who smokes weed knows, when you get stoned you really don't feel like going and getting shitfaced on Ecstasy or Cocaine or anything else. But, when you go drinking it's a different story. Most people only take pills and coke when they are on a night out drinking. Ask anybody who takes pills, coke, acid, etc, what they were doing their first time. Any except the seasoned drug takers will tell you that they were after being drinking. Practically none, will tell you that they were stoned. Alcohol is the drug that lowers inhibitions, the drug that makes bad ideas seem like good ideas, and the drug that leads most non drug takers to become drug takers. Alcohol is the gateway drug but the media and the goverment will tell you it's the opposite. Why? Because they've never taken any other drugs besides alcohol and they've never felt the urge to take other drugs while drunk, so they assume alcohol is ok but cannabis must be the gateway drug instead. But what the fuck do they know, they've never even smoke a joint and therefore are not qualified to make judgement. But that's the shitty society we live in.
Agreed.

[Esophagus]

I'm sorry mate but that's your opinion. You aren't really in a postition to make that decision for people and neither are any government. All drugs should be legalised and people should be allowed to make up their own minds.I know you were talking to Headcase, but my stance seemed fairly close to his.

I agree people should be able to make their own minds, but don't you think their should be some sort of limtis to what we are ingesting? An overly large dose of most drugs the first while is going to be a terrible thing. You may wind up in the hospital, or just having a terrible high, and by the time that dose is big enough to be rather mild, youre probably addicted and should get yourself off the drug. So wouldn't some sort of incremental system, only allowing a person to have a certain amount, be a good idea? Of course people will find ways around this, and just go to multiple places to get the amounts they want. And a lot of dealers will try and keep in business by selling as much as they feel like, so drugs don't get too comemrcial. But the government could, maybe, offer some sort of FREE (or cheap) rehab program or something, for whoever is found with too much, as opposed to a lengthy prison term.

On another note: Headcase is probably right in many ways. Have none of you ever gone to al iquor store and seen a 14/15 year old standing behind it trying to find someone who will buy them booze. Lets say its legalized and kids started doing this for, say, crystal meth.

[headcase]

I'm sorry mate but that's your opinion. You aren't really in a postition to make that decision for people and neither are any government. All drugs should be legalised and people should be allowed to make up their own minds.

Then why is anything illegal? If people can be trusted to make up their own minds, why have laws at all?

I won't point out the irony between the first two lines and the last either. Or maybe I already did, who knows?

Which is actually completely off-topic. I'll start another.

[BlinD]

Nah, most people are idiots and most drugs are inherently bad. It'd destroy society.

Mabye that would be for the best, after all... if it's only the idiots who die then who cares?

I'll try and avoid getting too political on this one, because I see it easily turning that way. But I don't quite thing EVERYTHING should be legal. their are limits to what should be done. Almsot everyone, whether they admit to it or not, has tried smoking weed at some point in their life. The ones who enjoyi t will continue. Theyre generally going to be fine whether its legal or not. Now lets say all drugs are legal, Some kid goes to the local convenience store, and buys a joint to try. He enjoys it. Their his judgement tells him that drugs are going to be a lot of fun. Then he decides to go back later and buys some acid, or ecstacy. That probably wouldn't end as well. Although I think we should all be given our free judgement, their are limits in place to keep us from doing things tooooo stupid. Not to say all laws have a good purpose.

I understand where your coming from and to a lesser extent I would agree, but what keeps me from agreeing is the fact, that if .jr in your analogy did take up with hard drugs it would be his own fault, just because it's in the store window dosen't mean that we absolutely need to buy it. Jr would be one less dolt in society, no loss really. I kind of see your analogy as a play off of the age old "Marijauna is a gateway drug" statement, but the reality is that sloagen was thought up by the first director of the DEA and the sloagen just plain isn't true.

To Stone's response (didnt wanna quote the whole thing):

Love the ending, hehe. I for the most part agree, except for the pig politicians... they are the biggest junkies of all but they just pretend like they aren't and when they get busted (like one of those Kennedy idiots did a year ago) they just downplay it, claim they have a drinking problem and it's swept under the rug. Of course if one of us smashed our car into a police cruser and then plowed into a road barrier while stoned to the hilt (like that Kennedy did) then we would be doing hard time in a "Federal pound me in the ass prison". And justice for all...

Heroine is the worst drug, well... meth is pretty bad to, but like I said if the person is dumb enough to mess with that in the first place, oh well.

In general response:

This is a good debate, but as far as I'm concearned telling people what they should or should not do is just plain facism even if it may be best for them, no goverment should force people into it. What ever happen to personal accountability?

[odin_dax]

Yeah, that example of Amsterdam being a good place is terrible. Its a great place to the seventeen year olds who just want to smoke pot, watch porn, and go to clubs, but as a society, its really not good. Its all just one big tourist attraction. I'm surprised theres no admission fee. The only reason they haven't outlawed most of the legal shit there is because it would ruin their economy.

Every Western society has clubs and watches porn. Pot is legal, but only in certain places, as I said. Kids are always wanting a taste of adult benefits. Why does Amsterdam have to be a horrible society based on that? It's like saying everybody who lives in Vegas is an addictive gambler. Amsterdam, if it truly is a horrible society, would only be so because of Islamic extremists. The fact they have hookers in windows in the red light district doesn't force a society to become decadent, especially in a place where it's legal.

[headcase]

*Ahem*, Drug Legalisation. (http://forum.rorta.net/showthread.php?t=997)







So, drinking alone....

[dylanrush]

Then why is anything illegal? If people can be trusted to make up their own minds, why have laws at all?

Laws should be to protect us from each other but not from ourselves. Drunk driving should be a crime but driving without a seatbelt should not. Let society run its course... if people want to be bums, then they should be bums. I don't want to force my view of how society should be on others. That is my definition of freedom.

[Esophagus]

Laws should be to protect us from each other but not from ourselves. Drunk driving should be a crime but driving without a seatbelt should not. Let society run its course... if people want to be bums, then they should be bums. I don't want to force my view of how society should be on others. That is my definition of freedom.post this in the legalisation thread. not here.

[MarcDEpyro]

Im drunk at the moment and it is great!

[odin_dax]

Im drunk at the moment and it is great!

I was sober for two months, and I'm a light-weight, so when I had one large red-headed slut two nights ago, I was pretty buzzed. I love being a cheap date!