What Morals Do You Ascribe to?

[M_Rommel]

I was thinking the other day about all the preposterous moral beliefs that people claim to hold, only before being shown to be total hypocrites (e.g. Ted Faggerd). :)

That said, what ethical beliefs do y'all actually live by? For instance, I'd have to say that I'm a pretty amoral person, but I still have things that I think are "good," and things that I think are "bad."

On the most basic of levels, things like sex, drugs, music (that isn't crap) are good, because of the fact that they allow me pleasure. Kicking thorny plants, pulling my fingernails off with pliers, etc. are bad because they cause me pain. These things can be lumped together under hedonism, basically.

Then there are things that I pursue because I just think that they're good, that involve pleasure only indirectly. For instance, I enjoy reading to learn more about topics that I'm interested in.

So what are your ethical beliefs? Don't respond with crappy reasons, plz. :P

[UKSWAT]

Your moral standards don't work as many people become hypocrites. A pimp on Jerry Springer claimed it was moral to be prostituting other women because he didn't feel immoral. The women clearly weren't happy.

[RoundElephant]

I believe harming innocent old people and their finances is off limits. Also killing an innocent for anything less then 1 million is something I would refuse to do.

[davey_crockshit]

harming innocents generally, especially if they've tried to help you.

i heard this one kid describe how he had faked a seizure in front of this guy. his friends said "put something in his mouth or he'll bite his tongue off like your wallet" they then stole the guy's wallet.

assholes.

[Th0r]

Originally Posted by davey_crockshit

harming innocents generally, especially if they've tried to help you.

i heard this one kid describe how he had faked a seizure in front of this guy. his friends said "put something in his mouth or he'll bite his tongue off like your wallet" they then stole the guy's wallet.

assholes.

I don't mean to be a total fucking twat or anything but surely that's asking for it.

I don't 'ascribe' to Morals as such. I look at the situation and carry out and Judge what is right. I don't believe there is any Definite Moral action that can be taken in response to something. Every situation is different.

[odin_dax]

Originally Posted by Th0r

I don't mean to be a total fucking twat or anything but surely that's asking for it.

I don't 'ascribe' to Morals as such. I look at the situation and carry out and Judge what is right. I don't believe there is any Definite Moral action that can be taken in response to something. Every situation is different.

Indeed, the best example of this is abortion. Pro-lifers should be able to admit certain cases where it's better to abort than have a child born into drugs/AIDS/incest/etc.

[M_Rommel]

Originally Posted by Th0r

I don't mean to be a total fucking twat or anything but surely that's asking for it.

I don't 'ascribe' to Morals as such. I look at the situation and carry out and Judge what is right. I don't believe there is any Definite Moral action that can be taken in response to something. Every situation is different.

I'd agree with you in regards to each situation being different, but surely there are general rules that undergird your decision-making process...right?

[M_Rommel]

Originally Posted by UKSWAT

Your moral standards don't work as many people become hypocrites. A pimp on Jerry Springer claimed it was moral to be prostituting other women because he didn't feel immoral. The women clearly weren't happy.

I'm unsure exactly what you mean by this...how does hypocricy tie into my morals not working.

[odin_dax]

Originally Posted by M_Rommel

I was thinking the other day about all the preposterous moral beliefs that people claim to hold, only before being shown to be total hypocrites (e.g. Ted Faggerd). :)

That said, what ethical beliefs do y'all actually live by? For instance, I'd have to say that I'm a pretty amoral person, but I still have things that I think are "good," and things that I think are "bad."

On the most basic of levels, things like sex, drugs, music (that isn't crap) are good, because of the fact that they allow me pleasure. Kicking thorny plants, pulling my fingernails off with pliers, etc. are bad because they cause me pain. These things can be lumped together under hedonism, basically.

Then there are things that I pursue because I just think that they're good, that involve pleasure only indirectly. For instance, I enjoy reading to learn more about topics that I'm interested in.

So what are your ethical beliefs? Don't respond with crappy reasons, plz. :P

If you're going to ask such questions, I would suggest being a little more neutral in your opening... If you define your own "ethics" as "sex, drug and music that doesn't suck", then I think you miss the point of your own question. Everybody defines what those three mean definitely. I think you need to go deeper than that. Ethics and morals are more universal, and usually have some societal reasoning behind them. How is music an ethical issue anyway?

Your entire post is more an example to part of an answer to the question you're trying to ask.

[Darkhunter]

Originally Posted by M_Rommel

I was thinking the other day about all the preposterous moral beliefs that people claim to hold, only before being shown to be total hypocrites (e.g. Ted Faggerd). :)

That said, what ethical beliefs do y'all actually live by? For instance, I'd have to say that I'm a pretty amoral person, but I still have things that I think are "good," and things that I think are "bad."

On the most basic of levels, things like sex, drugs, music (that isn't crap) are good, because of the fact that they allow me pleasure. Kicking thorny plants, pulling my fingernails off with pliers, etc. are bad because they cause me pain. These things can be lumped together under hedonism, basically.

Then there are things that I pursue because I just think that they're good, that involve pleasure only indirectly. For instance, I enjoy reading to learn more about topics that I'm interested in.

So what are your ethical beliefs? Don't respond with crappy reasons, plz. :P

I just do what I feel like. My morals say if I'm happy then fuck other people.

I know I'm selfish

[odin_dax]

Originally Posted by Darkhunter

I just do what I feel like. My morals say if I'm happy then fuck other people.

I know I'm selfish

I think that goes beyond selfish.

[M_Rommel]

Originally Posted by odin_dax

I think that goes beyond selfish.

Uber-selfish?

[Vein]

Ja. Das ist uber-schlecht.

[Darkhunter]

Originally Posted by odin_dax

I think that goes beyond selfish.

Eh I'm a closed human being where unless I get something in return fuck other people. Being a nice person has screwed me over so many times its not even funny.

[headcase]

Yeah, nice guys finish last, but so do assholes.

Anyway, this thread is kinda shallow. I wish I had to time nowadays to write extensive walkthroughs on philosophical subjects but I simply don't. And besides, I already have written one on this subject elsewhere. So I'll just siggest an idea and see where other people take it;

Morality is shifting; decided by the times and the culture moreso than anything else.

[paninvmuthafuckinass!]

Don't snitch. Only moral I really stick to. The rest I couldn't give a fuck about though.

[Abrazaderas]

I have no morals whatsoever. i don't think there is any special reason i should abstain from murder, rape, lying, acting ungrateful and cowardly and any other thing you could think of. and yet, i have no desire to do those things 99.9 percent of the time. i really do enjoy playing the role of generous, honest, honorable, chivalrous... but i don't lose site of the fact that for me, moral behavior is a form of vice. a bad habit i really ought to kick.

And at the bottom of it all, at the very core of my relations-processing nexus, lies side by side, a intense hatred of EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE, a manic desire to destroy and kill and torture for it's own gleeful sake, and next to it a gentle, peaceful love of everyone, a compassion and joyful kindness that is no less perplexing then it's evil twin.

I am fucked up in the head, probably, and will come to a bad end. i think i was born to hang.

[The Jinn]

I would expect a fair number of the members here to be amoralists. :)

[CommonPlaceTool]

Well, humans are naturally alright moral wise, some sort of brain coding or whatever. Then some that aren't realize the shit murder, rape, and all that get you into. The rest are just fucked up people.

Lets see, for me, I'd do whatever the fuck I want to the Catholic church or any Islam man... because I find Islam evil, along with the Catholic church.

Other than that... it's all situational. I have no problem with drugs or sex. I don't give a fuck if anyone's gay. These don't really count as morals though...

Fuck... well I'm nice to women... and I... erm... well I don't like animal abuse I guess...

That's about it.

[RoundElephant]

Originally Posted by CommonPlaceTool

Well, humans are naturally alright moral wise, some sort of brain coding or whatever. Then some that aren't realize the shit murder, rape, and all that get you into. The rest are just fucked up people.

Lets see, for me, I'd do whatever the fuck I want to the Catholic church or any Islam man... because I find Islam evil, along with the Catholic church.

Other than that... it's all situational. I have no problem with drugs or sex. I don't give a fuck if anyone's gay. These don't really count as morals though...

Fuck... well I'm nice to women... and I... erm... well I don't like animal abuse I guess...

That's about it.

What do you have against Catholics and Muslims?

[Th0r]

Originally Posted by RoundElephant

What do you have against Catholics and Muslims?

For Catholic's I can imagine it would go something along the lines of the Vatican's total failure to deal with the endemic of priests commuting criminal behaviour, the fact Catholicism advocates complete hypocrisy, is totally anti-abortion and the fact the Vatican has masses of assets that sit there accumulating wealth whilst people in Africa and elsewhere starve. Remember, they're 'God's' people.

Islam is comprised of decent people and fundamentalists. Decent people fuel the fire of correctness, whilst fail to acknowledge or deal with the rampant amount of Muslim's engaging in radical activities. I see Muslim's in the UK engaging in that kind of behaviour every single day. It's regrettable and deplorable.

The fact also that 'peace loving' and 'respecting' Muslim's want to build a religious centre a block away from Ground Zero. Yeah, I can understand why they're not the most respected and revered bunch.

[The Jinn]

Originally Posted by Th0r

For Catholic's I can imagine it would go something along the lines of the Vatican's total failure to deal with the endemic of priests commuting criminal behaviour and the fact the Vatican has masses of assets that sit there accumulating wealth whilst people in Africa and elsewhere starve. Remember, they're 'God's' people.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...-1225761288138

[CommonPlaceTool]

With Islam, it's mostly what Th0r has said.

I have no problem with Muslims who ADAPT their religion to our society (aka, ignore half of the Koran), but over all it is a mean religion made by a power hungry man.

[odin_dax]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

A lot of information on their hypocrisy. Too bad most Muslims are too uneducated to read... Maybe the men just like control. Whether you believe in a god, follow a religion or not, Muhammad was obviously not a prophet. It's amazing how calm he was early in life, then later became radical when he had more power. He even contradicts himself by changing words allegedly given to him by Allah, which was supposed to be unalterable. Amazing stuff what that guy did...

[clockworks]

I'm fairly uncertain of my own moral beliefs. I ascribe this uncertainty to my dad getting gunned down when I was young. The fact that humans are capable of such acts kind of makes me apathetic to a lot that goes on around me... that is, unless it is violence towards women or children.

I cannot tolerate violence directed towards those two groups. Now, let me clarify that statement just a bit. Anyone who directs violence towards a defenseless person draws my hatred, but if that violence is directed towards women or children in particular, I have a tendency to go batshit insane. I feel that males can suck it up and deal. For instance, better my dad than my mom. He did his part in keeping his family safe. But a female or a child doesn't have the same capacity as an adult male has in terms of dealing with threatening situations.

As for organized religion, they are all run by hypocritical pedophiles.

[Saturday]

There's a difference between what someone understands to be moral and how they act as a result of their classifications. I believe morality is ones ability to follow what they understand to be moral. That does not mean that you can just say "I think killing isn't amoral" and have a license to kill, but if you truly believe that killing is wrong and kill anyway, you are amoral, by definition.

I hate to pull the relativity card, but it really is all relative. Some people believe it would be immoral to kill a person who is beating another person to death in an alleyway, while others believe that one immoral act does not give way for another. That being said, if someone fucked with my family or close friends, I would wipe everything on this earth that they care about and give them time to suffer, then take them out.

One last thing... I think it is impossible to realy gauge morality at this point because I honestly have a hard time seperating morality from fear of repercussions. I don't kill people because I think it is wrong, but I don't fear feeling guilty as much as I fear BEING guilty in a court of law.

Empathy is the only natural form of morality.